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We need to talk about dying | Jo Withers | TEDxNewnham


ten years ago I was asked a really

simple question

and one that had a very big impact on me

the question was can I stay here and it

was being asked by my mother-in-law

Pauline

here she is Pauline was 82 years old a

much-loved mother to four sons and

grandmother to 11 her husband had died a

few years earlier and she was living on

her own in a village in the new forest

busy with the WI tending her garden and

looking after friends and family a few

months earlier she’d noticed a drop in

her weight and stamina medical tests

showed that she had cancer which had

already spread to her liver

she started treatment but after three

cycles of chemotherapy the side-effects

from making her life a misery so she

stopped and she rallied again for a

while but then she became weaker until

she got to the point when she was

struggling to look after herself and she

made the decision to move to be nearer

to her family so she came to stay with

us thinking she might find a care home

nearby to be in she never wanted to be a

burden none of us had been brave enough

to ask Pauline what she wanted none of

us had broached the d-word den we were

all too busy tiptoeing around it and

just reacting to changes in

circumstances rather than looking ahead

and making plans together and that

included me I’m a GP with many years of

experience but with my own dear

mother-in-law I hadn’t had the courage

to ask her what do you want what are

your fears or worries where would you

can I stay here answer yes of course

not for long complicated conversation

but it was one that told us all that we

needed to know it was crystal clear what

we needed to do so Pauline came to stay

with us and we looked after her until

she died peacefully in the night three

weeks later we had wonderful support

from friends and family from carers and

nurses and from the palliative care team

people came and went often and we had

great gatherings around the kitchen

table sharing memories love and support

but it was exhausting

both physically and emotionally in fact

looking after Pauline was the hardest

thing that I have ever done but it was

also the biggest privilege I’ve ever had

after this experience it struck me

getting care right at the end of life is

so important we only have one chance and

so often we don’t like to talk about it

we don’t want to cause upset or pain

we’re very pretty but at work I’ve seen

it many times when a frail person

becomes acutely unwell and the ambulance

is called and they’re rushed to hospital

for treatment and often this is

successful but there are many times when

it hasn’t been and treatment is

escalated even though it’s futile we

find it very hard to acknowledge that

death is inevitable eventually and many

of us feel uncomfortable talking about

it including some health care

professionals sitting down and talking

with some of my older patients I’ve

discovered that although some would like

to go to hospital if it might help them

if they’re ill many others are

completely clear but they never want to

go to hospital again if there’s a viable

alternative even if they may die sooner

hospital can be a really scary place

these people would prefer to be cared

for and to die at home in familiar

surroundings with family and friends

nearby retaining their dignity so while

times are calm we can sit and talk and

make plans about what to do in the event

of a crisis to avoid having to make

decisions in the heat of the moment and

we call this advanced care planning now

time for a little bit of background a

hundred years ago in the UK death was

more commonplace it was part of life not

really hidden away and death often came

quite suddenly with accidents or

infections or in childbirth but nowadays

people are living a lot longer and we

see a different pattern on this graph

the vertical axis represents our general

level of health how well we are and the

horizontal axis represents time over

months and years and we can broadly

divide the decline towards death into

four different categories the first one

sudden death

a catastrophic event like a heart attack

or an accident completely unforeseen and

somebody dies this happens in about 10%

of deaths second group we see in

terminal illnesses like some cancers

when the person’s general level of

health can sometimes be maintained at a

high level for some time after diagnosis

until their condition deteriorates over

weeks or months quite rapidly and they

die like Pauline and this is seen in

about quarter of deaths

the third group accounting for a third

of deaths we see a variable decline over

months or years and this is in chronic

organ failure like kidney failure heart

failure or chronic lung disease when

their episodes of illness from which

the person usually recovers but never

getting back to their previous level of

health and they will eventually die

during one of these dips but it can be

very difficult to predict which one

so death can still come as a bit of a

shock the fourth and largest group is

characterized by a faltering decline

over several years and we see this in

the physical frailty of old age and in

dementia when the body’s ability to

respond to the inevitable health

challenges just diminishes and this is

the largest group 35% of deaths so we

can see that for most of us there will

be plenty of time to look ahead and make

plans before it’s too late

but we can never assume that we will

know when death is near because there

isn’t always an obvious terminal illness

period nowadays death is often hidden

away in nursing homes and hospitals it’s

less familiar to us

and we find it harder to talk about

we’ve lost our vocabulary to do with

death and people often refer to it

obliquely I’ve lost my dad or she passed

away or he gave up the ghost we find it

awkward and embarrassing talking about

dying in death and we pretend that it’s

not going to happen but we’re immortal

and sometimes we just fail to speak the

truth to our loved ones which isn’t

always very helpful the reality is that

not many of us are spoken about what we

might want at the end of our lives why

well I think for many of us death just

feels too far off right now oh I’m too

young to worry about that I know when

the time is right or others are just a

bit superstitious if I write my will

then I will die but not only are we all

going to die yes I can guarantee it but

many of us will experience the death of

somebody close to us and there is no

magic for me

to knowing when it’s the right time to

talk about dying and then the most

important thing is to have that

conversation before it’s too late

how many of us might have thought oh I

really should talk to so-and-so about

all this but you know I don’t want to

upset them you might be relieved if they

were to reply oh I’m so pleased people

what the subject I’ve been wanting to

talk to you about this for a long time

but you know I didn’t know how to start

I didn’t want to upset you and how many

of us might have brushed aside

somebody’s attempt to raise issues like

this maybe saying they want to be buried

rather than cremated wither ah don’t be

so morbid you’ve got years left have you

told anybody what you think you’ll want

has anybody tried to tell you what

they’ll want well there’s a lot to talk

about and not all of this will resonate

with you right now or be a priority for

you but it might be important for

somebody close to you so have you

considered writing a will or sorting out

finances if you have dependents children

or a cat who might look after them

if you die and have you considered

appointing somebody to speak on your

behalf

if you ever get to the point where you

can’t make decisions or communicate

those decisions for example if you have

a stroke or get dementia

do you want to take steps now to refuse

certain medical treatments in the future

like artificial ventilation or tube

feeding or resuscitation if your heart

stops beating do you want to donate

organs after your death and if you do

end up needing to be looked after at the

end of your life how might that look for

you and do you have strong feelings

about where you would like to be when

you die you

may even want to share ideas about your

funeral it’s a lot isn’t it and

depending on what matters to you you’ll

need to find the right people to talk to

whether that’s a trusted friend or your

family a solicitor or your doctor but I

want you to know that telling others

what you want at the end of your life

can be one of the most loving things you

can do for those close to you because it

can bring clarity it can avoid confusion

and family conflict it can help to

prevent unwanted medical intervention

and it can help you to stay more in

control towards the end of your life and

maybe feel a little karma at that time

so talk know your plans write them down

and tell someone where to find them or

take even more practical steps

let me introduce judy judy is an old

friend of mine

and over the past 20 years she’s had

some very close fades

she’s been seriously unwell but I’m glad

to say that now she’s a lot more stable

and she lives alone with a bit of

support from friends and family she

really enjoys going out joining him with

things in fact she loves a good game of

Mahjong now some time ago Judy thought

hmmm if my heart were to stop beating I

wouldn’t want people jumping on my chest

to restart it in giving me electric

shocks I’d want to be allowed to die

naturally so he went to see her doctor

and she asked for a do not resuscitate

form to keep at home but ever practical

Judy thought what happens if I’m out and

I collapse because my heart stopped and

the paramedics come but there’s no form

to be seen so she took a bus to high

wycombe and she visited the tattoo

it’s right at the bottom I don’t if you

can see D and R do not resuscitate

let’s take inspiration from Judy let’s

talk make vans and share them and then

get on with living life to the full

right to the end who do you need to talk

to you thank you [Applause]

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