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Thinking About Thinking: How to Challenge & Change Metacognitive Beliefs | Katy O’Brien | TEDxUGA


I spend a lot of time thinking about

thinking in my cognitive communication

rehabilitation lab here at the

University of Georgia we do research

into the kinds of supports that students

needs to be successful in college after

they’ve had a brain injury and that

thinking about thinking is called

metacognition and we’re interested in

metacognition because we and others have

done some research to show that it’s

critical to those students success so

who are those students with brain injury

many times they’ve been in car accidents

recreational accidents are common as

well bike accident skiing sledding also

falls maybe falls from bunk beds Falls

down stairwells that sort of thing

you’ve probably also heard a fair bit in

the media about concussions and

concussion is a brain injury it’s a mild

one so for the most part people get

better the students that I see are those

that have had six eight ten concussions

people who have been really hard on

their brains and as a result they’re

having a hard time in the classroom so

what I want to do now is that I actually

have an audio clip of one of our

students with brain injury and we

finally got her connected to the

Disability Resource Center so that she

could have extra time for her tests and

she could also take those tests in what

are called distraction free rooms and

despite the name what you’re gonna hear

in this audio clip is that actually she

found all kinds of distractions in that

room and what I want you to do is that I

want you to listen carefully because I

want you to remember those distractions

because fair game there’s gonna be a

quiz all right so listen up remember all

of the distractions that you can I

finally want to disability service to

take

exams that’s so much better is it the

distractions for your rooms have so many

distractions in them and I like you sit

in a swivel chair and it you can like

rock it back and forth and you can dim

the lights and you can and there’s like

pencils and sharpeners too and Kleenexes

and they have like earplugs and stuff

and a light in the clock and I was like

you can just sit there yeah okay so the

good news was that our student did in

fact do better taking her exams over

there despite the fact that she found

all those distractions what I want you

to do now though is that I want you to

think about how many of those items

you’re gonna remember when I ask you

about them later so we’ve got a

handy-dandy lineup here we’ve got zero

down here that means none and then over

here we’ve got a hundred percent you’re

gonna ace the quiz when it happens

you’re gonna remember all of those

distractions so place yourself somewhere

on that line and just kind of make a

mental note of what that number is all

right so I told you that I worked with

students with brain injury but what is a

brain injury the formal definition is

that it’s a blow bump or jolt to the

head that disrupts the normal

functioning of the brain that old trope

that if you’ve seen one then you’ve only

seen one applies to brain injury as well

there’s a huge range of deficits that

people might experience as a result of a

brain injury common cognitive complaints

though our problems with attention

problems with memory and problems with

executive function so problems with

attention might be difficulty paying

attention to me and ignoring the person

wrestling in their seat behind you or

maybe the buzz of the phone in your

pocket problems with memory is not so

much problems with remembering here your

parents are or where you went to

elementary school

this is problems learning new

information after the brain injury

executive function

control processes that we use to plan in

sequence behavior to organize our

thoughts and that gets us closer to

metacognition and I told you that

metacognition is thinking about thinking

but we also have metacognitive beliefs

we know how our brain works we know what

it’s good at we know the times that it

might let us down and those beliefs are

built on lots and lots of experience

that we’ve had using our brain so this

is why you might hear people say things

like I’m really bad with names

or I have a photographic memory that

that is based on lots of experiences of

forgetting names or maybe remembering

things once you’ve looked at it for our

students with brain injury they have

also developed metacognitive beliefs

based on lots and lots of experience

living with their brain their whole

lives and then after a brain injury

their brain no longer works the way that

it did before so they have to relearn

how their brain works and at the same

time that relearning

of how their brain works is being done

by their brain the same brain that was

injured to cause the problems so you can

see where it becomes this troublesome

loop so what we do with our students

with brain injury is that we explicitly

teach them to self-regulate and we all

use self-regulation in big and small

ways on hard and easy tasks but we may

not think about it so much but for our

students with brain injury we force them

to think about it and self-regulation is

a process through which we monitor our

performance and then we exert control to

make sure that we’re getting the

performance that we want so I’ll show

you what it looks like

so the first thing we do with our

students is that we have them set a goal

and this does not have to be some kind

of big lofty goal like graduating from

college we’re talking about easy goals

that you can just pick off so maybe

paying attention through a seventy or

five minute class so

the student sets this goal the first

thing that’s going to happen is that

they’re going to monitor they’re going

to check to see if they’re paying

attention so they’re gonna check to see

if their actual performance is meeting

their goal performance so they’re in

class five minutes in and they check to

see I’m paying attention what does the

professor just say and if they don’t

know then they’re gonna exert control so

they’re not meeting their goal so now

they’re gonna come up with a strategy

it’s five minutes in the class you know

maybe it’s just something simple you sit

up straight take a sip of water refocus

your energy toward the professor so they

execute that strategy and then it’s a

loop so we’re back up around to the top

where we’re now are going to be

self-monitoring again so they’re

checking their actual performance to see

if it’s meeting their goal performance

do I know what the professor’s talking

about what just happened and if they

miss it again

they still realize I am still not with

it maybe now they’re gonna execute

another strategy like writing notes gets

them actively involved in class if

they’re gonna write down what the

professor is saying they have to pay

attention to it so they execute that

strategy come back around they monitor

do I know what the professor just said

yeah I just wrote it down I’m good so

now they’re actual performances there

and they have achieved what they wanted

to achieve and they can continue

checking the rest of class though let’s

be honest so the other thing though is

that all of this is happening within the

backdrop of our metacognitive beliefs

and it matters because if you believe

that you’re gonna do just fine you might

not ever enter into this loop you might

not monitor because why would you if you

thought that you were going to do just

fine the other thing is that we have to

activate this loop many many times of

monitoring and control lots of

experience and feedback before we start

to get beliefs to shift so let me give

you another example

let’s say that I asked you to run to the

grocery store and I say hey can you grab

milk and bread for me how many of you

are gonna write that down show hands

okay

some of you not many fair enough all

right let’s say that I say hey can you

run to the grocery store for me and can

you pick up milk and bread and

dishwashing soap and zip lock bags and

sour cream how many of you’re gonna

write that down show hands oh my gosh

you guys are all writing it down you

made that decision very quickly and you

made that decision very quickly because

you went right to your beliefs beliefs

are fast and you did that based on lots

of experience that you’ve had with your

memory lots of experience we’ve had

going to the grocery store maybe lots of

experience you’ve had writing grocery

lists and let’s be fair maybe sometimes

you’ve forgotten two good items okay

for someone who’s had a brain injury

they know that second list is hard you

won’t need that second list was hard

it’s the first list it’s the first list

that our folks with memory impairments

might miss and it’s because a lot of you

thought it was easy so why wouldn’t it

be easy they’ve lived with a brain that

remembered milk and bread for years and

years instead they might go to the store

and end up with two items but maybe it’s

milk and eggs so they still come home

with two things from the staples

category or from that category of what

you buy when the weatherman says snow so

let’s return again to our student in all

her distractions I had you judge your

learning before and now I want you to do

it again how many of those items do you

think you’re going to remember when I

ask you and again pick a number for

yourself zero hundred you’re acing the

quiz somewhere in between how many of

you changed your judgment some of you

did okay great

well the time has come remember your

items you can chat amongst yourselves

see how many of those items you can

remember so

from here it sounds like you have all

remembered all of them and maybe like

300 more that was a lot however the

answer Q key is here you can check

yourself and you can also maybe find

all right you can also grade yourself

here I trust you you can see what you

actually scored on the quiz alright okay

so I’m gonna ask you again now how many

of you were overconfident that you

thought you were gonna remember a whole

lot and then you didn’t do so great how

many were in that some of you okay how

many of you were pretty well calibrated

that you were pretty much on target okay

more hands for sure and then how many of

you were under confident that you

actually did much better than you

thought you were gonna do how’d we do

good great so typical adults tend to be

a little bit under confident and we

think that’s because that little bit of

feeling that you get that unsure sort of

I don’t know that’s what makes you use a

strategy so if you’re a little unsure

you’re gonna do the work to make sure

now the other thing that I want to say

here is that I had to make that judgment

two times and people tend to be much

more accurate the second time the first

time I asked you that information was

still very fresh you had just heard it

it was sitting in what we call working

memory which you can think of as the

chalkboard in your mind and if it’s

still written on the chalkboard you

don’t know if you’ve memorized it

because you can still see it so when

people make that first judgment they

make that based on beliefs you make that

based on previous experiences that

you’ve had with your memory maybe

listening to information the second time

that I asked you there was lots of time

in between for me to distract you think

about other things so what people

usually do is when I say or when we say

how many you’re gonna remember now you

do what’s called a covert retrieval

attempt you check you start thinking

about it like well okay well

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Jr there are some Kleenex what else was

there okay maybe half so you actually

monitored you did the work to check your

thinking at that point so if you’re

thinking about now this seems useful I’m

glad it is why I bring it up but I do

want to bring up one more point about

our students with brain injury that many

people who have brain injuries have

really nice recoveries and they look

like the person they were before and

they are not that person and so we call

it an invisible injury that you can’t

see what’s different and it’s easier to

understand why this is a problem if you

think about someone who has a physical

injury let’s say that you had a friend

who just had a knee replacement and you

say hey how’s it going and he said you

know it’s good but I got to do my

exercises all the time and I got to go

to the physical therapist every day you

probably wouldn’t say oh man I know I

really need to go to the gym I mean you

might not be wrong I don’t want to judge

but maybe you do need to go to the gym

but you probably wouldn’t say it to your

friend because you know that he doesn’t

do his exercises if he doesn’t see the

physical therapist his knee might not

work right he might not get to walk the

next day and it’s the same way for our

folks with brain injury they have to do

this work it is an imperative and that

it is an imperative that it is

compulsory feels very different it is

part of the weight of living with a

brain injury and as part of the hard

work of recovery so don’t minimize it

for the rest of us it’s a choice we have

this choice but we don’t often take it

so our beliefs are stable as a

protective mechanism our beliefs are

stable so that they’re not blown about

in the wind

every time the weather changes but they

can also trap us in a previous iteration

of ourselves that our beliefs might not

be mapping to the person that we are so

I want you to think about why you were

interested in this talk or why you were

interested in TEDx what did you want to

get out of it did you come just to hear

something interesting or did you come

because you thought you might want to

take that with you that you can learn

that maybe you believe in change that

maybe you have a goal self out there and

I’m here to tell you that you can do it

that you can think about it think about

your thinking and make the change happen thank you

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