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The Inmate, The Student, And Tolstoy | Andrew Kaufman | TEDxCharlottesville


for many years as a teacher of

literature I was trying to create a

classroom which felt alive to me and

authentic and these are the kinds of

things that we talk about in this

program we use literature as an

opportunity to talk about life issues

that are relevant to all of us that are

universal if you boil it down to the

most essential element this is a class

in which two groups of young people the

same age 18 to 21 one group from a

university the other group from a

Correctional Center come together

sit down side-by-side and have

conversations about life through

literature when I walked into that

building every Tuesday afternoon it’s

like I wasn’t locked up it’s like for

the next three hours I can live I can do

me I can be myself I can open up it’s

not often that you spend ninety minutes

talking about the things that you’re the

most scared of or the people that you

love the most or you know like what you

want to do with your life and what

you’ve done wrong with your life I was

expecting like to come in here like be

scared I look down the nice light yeah

they’re criminals I didn’t expect for

that’s the bear to connect like I like

me the same something like some ways we

had it so troubling the same problems

the students and the residents grapple

together and they realize doesn’t matter

if you’re a 20 year old college student

or 20 year old youth you know in a

Correctional Center you know what it

feels like to lose someone you love

you know what it feels like to struggle

with family situations you know what it

like to try to search to find your place

in a world that doesn’t always make that

easy those are the issues of Russian

literature and those are universal I

have found that they connect with these

themes at a visceral level they know

what it means to

is there freedom that’s not an abstract

question to them they’re incarcerated

and it’s incredibly valuable for them to

be able to talk about that theme through

a story from their own experience and

share that with the students so students

come away with a totally new

understanding of that whole convert that

that whole theme in Russian literature a

lot of these stories really have helped

me realize you know a lot of inner

issues that I’ve been dealing with my

whole life that I really couldn’t quite

piece together in words until I heard it

in the story and then it would say it

and I’d be like that kind of reminds me

of myself you know and I’ll think about

it and then I’ll start thinking will I

need to work on that and now I’ll work

on it and then it’ll just get better and

then eventually it’s just not even a

problem anymore just to see that people

that had a whole different background

for me can kind of connect with me and I

got a lot of ways and through these

stories that was so like unique it saw

like that coming to these meetings every

to say like they made me feel life they

made me feel that real sense of

connecting with other people like truly

and with your heart and they have helped

me more than they’ll ever know you know

I hope students come away from this

experience realizing what’s possible in

a classroom what’s possible in their own

lives I hope that the residents come

away feeling empowered with an altered

perception of who they are and what

their worth is and what they’re capable

of feeling like they deserve to be at

Raskolnikov Raskolnikov is a 24 year old

poverty-stricken student who commits a

double murder for a few hundred rubles

he kills an old pawnbroker with an axe

and he accidentally kills her younger

sister who happens to be at the wrong

place at the wrong time and with that

moment his punishment begins because for

the next 72 hours he is in a feverish

delirium he is literally wandering

through the streets of st. Petersburg

he’s racked with guilt his conscience is

tormented he’s trying to understand why

he did what he did and with every hour

his sense of isolation from the world

becomes more and more acute and it gets

to the point that he feels as if as if

he were standing on a tiny little ledge

on the edge of a giant cliff overlooking

a vast stormy ocean and that he is

condemned to stand alone on that spot

for the next thousand years and all he

wants to do at this point is confess to

unburden his soul but who would listen

to him who would hear what he has done

and still treat him as a human being

there’s one person he thinks he can

trust Sonia a prostitute whose father

Raskolnikov meets two days before he

commits the murder and he’s sitting

there with Sonia side by side in her

tiny little garret like apartment and

he’s looking at her and he’s getting up

the courage and he blurts it out he

tells her what he’s done and she looks

at him and she begins to weep and she

embraces him and he pushes her away he

says I just told you I murdered two

people how how can you respond in that

way and she says because I can see there

is no one in the world

unhappier than you are now so we were

talking about that scene from dusty f

keys crime and punishment at the

Correctional Center it was a hot July

day and we’re all sitting in a circle in

the prison classroom it’s about five UVA

students and they’re in their jeans and

their t-shirts about 15 residents all in

their identical khaki pants they’re

state-issued polo shirts and we’re

having this conversation and one of the

residents raises his hand and I’m kind

of surprised because I haven’t heard

anything from him in the past month he’s

a very quiet kid kind of stereotypical

you know tough-guy image very muscular

he’s got tattoos all over his arms and

he raises his hand when we’re talking

where’s my Sonya you know when I got

locked up everyone abandoned me where’s

the person it would see the worst of

what I’ve done and still love me and

with those few courageous sentences that

young man taught all of us in that room

more about the theme of compassion in

Dostoevsky than 20 lectures by me could

have done Yvonne

leach Yvonne e leach is a very

successful 45 year old judge at the top

of his career he’s wealthy he’s famous

he’s someone who has spent his life

jumping through hoops climbing ladders

and he’s finally made it Avani leach

loves authority he loves that moment

when as a judge he is walking into the

court room everyone rises and the

bailiff says the judge is coming the

judge is coming

he loves that moment he loves clarity

clarity it is very clear to Yvonne who

is right and who is wrong who is

innocent

and who is guilty and Yvonne loves order

and discipline which is why that day

that he goes to the doctor’s office with

that undisciplined pain in his side and

he finds out that he has some mysterious

incurable illness blows his mind me

dying that’s a that’s impossible

that’s against the rules but sure enough

he is dying and the pain gets worse and

worse and he becomes a weak and he

becomes emaciated and literally within a

matter of weeks

this beautiful rational orderly world

that he has created for himself comes

tumbling down in a matter of weeks

all of those walls that he has put up to

protect himself from other people they

are now the prison from which he most

wants to escape and if before his

illness his favorite moment was that one

of walking into the courtroom now the

only moment that means anything to him

is the one when his twelve year old boy

with whom Yvonne has hardly had any

relationship that twelve-year-old boy

comes into his dying father’s room sees

that his dad is too weak to speak or to

move and he takes his father’s hand and

he brings it to his lips and he kisses

it so we were talking about that story

by Tolstoy the death of Ivanovich at the

Correctional Center on the day that one

of the senior administrators decided to

come visit our class and I’d met this

woman a few weeks earlier she’s very

buttoned up very bureaucratic woman very

somewhat authoritarian she said to my

students and me during our orientation

she said no first names the residents

must call the students by your last

names and no personal conversations in

this program just keep it at the

professional you know scholastic level

so after class being the somewhat

disobedient student that I am I’m

talking to my students and I’m saying

that’s ridiculous

of course you’re gonna call each other

by your first names you’re the same age

for crying out loud and yes have those

personal conversations that’s what we do

in this program and look if someone

complains or whatever just you know put

it off on me so you can imagine my fear

on the day that I show up and there she

is there she is

and she’s sitting on the opposite end of

the room for me about 10 feet away from

one of the tables so I can’t hear what

she hears but I see her and I noticed

after about 10 minutes

her eyes are kind of focused and she’s

leaning in like this listening and I’m

thinking uh-oh

what’s she hearing 10 minutes later she

picks up her chair she slides it over

she sits down at the table and she

proceeds to have a conversation with one

of the residents and I’m freaking out at

this point I’m thinking I’m gonna be

reprimanded when this class is over or

worse she’s gonna pull the plug on the

whole darn program so I go up to my

students after classes were walking

across the prison courtyard and I go up

to the students at that table and I

asked him what was that about and one of

my students very matter-of-factly

explains oh well we were talking about

the scene when Yvonne says goodbye to

his son and one of the residents shared

that he lost his grandmother a year

earlier its grandmother that he loved

and apparently the administrator

recently lost her own brother and she

was overhearing this conversation she

was so moved by it that she wanted to be

a part of it so there she is the

administrator in the resident having a

conversation about the theme of loss in

Tolstoy and I’m thinking well so much

for the no personal conversation rule

but I’m also thinking triumphantly that

in that moment what she saw was not a

young criminal what she saw was a young

man with ideas and emotions and the

ability to articulate them and reflect

on them through the lens of literature

and what he saw was not an evil Stern

authoritarian figure but a woman about

the same age as his own late grandmother

who also knows what it feels like to

love and to lose through their shared

loss they found that connection with one

Andrew Kaufman is a 47 year old

professor of Russian literature and it’s

the last day of class it’s the last 20

minutes of the very last day of the

semester and I’m about to bring my class

to a close just as I’ve been doing for

the past several years and one of my

students raises her hand she says

professor Kaufman there’s something I

need to share with the group between the

last meeting that we had at the facility

and today curiosity got the better of me

and I needed to know what what my guys

did and so I looked it up on the

internet and I feel incredibly guilty

about this and her voice begins to

tremble as she and she says and I found

out that one of my residents with who I

care about who I’ve come to admire I

would invite him into my own home to

meet my family

I found out he murdered someone let me

tell you this is one of the most

difficult moments of my teaching career

to have that bombshell 20 minutes before

the end of class I felt all 16 pairs of

those student eyes on me and had no idea

what I was gonna say and I even had a

moment of panic of doubt I started to

think wow have I been misleading these

students have either been leading them

down this kind of pollyannish path all

of these years have I been encouraging

them only to see the good in

these guys and forgetting that in some

cases these guys have caused harm

irreparable harm to other people but I

couldn’t stay with that doubt and I

don’t know where it came from but it

came through me and it hit me in that

moment and I shared it with the class I

said maybe what we’re supposed to be

learning from what the student just

shared maybe what we’re supposed to be

learning from this whole experience is

one of the great lessons of Russian

literature acceptance maybe what we’re

supposed to be learning is how to do

what Sonya does with Raskolnikov how to

look another human being in the eye and

how to bear witness without judgement to

the good and the evil the beauty and the

ugliness that resides inside of every

single one of us and Tolstoy’s words

came to me and these are words that I

had been quoting for years I finally

understood them in that moment Tolstoy

said that man is flowing in him there

are all possibilities one minute he’s

stupid but the next he’s smart one

minute he’s evil and the next he’s good

and the other way around and this is the

greatness of man a few months before I

started this class in 2009 I was

actually planning my own escape from

academia little-known fact there it is

and I find it incredibly ironic that I

had to go to a prison to find what was

most missing in my own classroom and in

my own life authenticity authenticity

what I have found from this experience

is that when I can allow myself to bring

my full authentic human self to my

classroom and when I can give students

the permission to do the same and when

we can have authentic conversations

about the things that

all of us as human beings the learning

is so much deeper and richer than when I

try to play the role of a professor that

I thought I was supposed to play and

week after week watching the students

and the residents sit down side by side

take the risk of looking into one

another’s eyes and sharing their most

intimate human stories about compassion

about loss about acceptance watching

them break down those walls that exist

between them and within them that has

given me the courage and the inspiration

to try to do the same in my own life and

not just as a teacher but as a father as

a son as a husband and I’m still working

on it

the residents and the students have

changed one another’s lives we talk

about that a lot but let me tell you

they’ve changed my life proving yet

again the wisdom of Dostoevsky’s words

everything like an ocean everything

flows and comes into contact you touch

in one place and at the other end of the world it reverberates thank you

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