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The healing power of love & intimacy | Dean Ornish | TEDxBerkeley


the last 40 years I’ve directed a series

of studies showing what a powerful

difference changes in diet and lifestyle

can make you know simple changes a Whole

Foods plant-based diet that’s naturally

low in fat and sugar various stress

management techniques including

meditation and yoga moderate exercise

and what we call psychosocial support or

reduce it even further to eat well move

more stress less love more that’s it and

it’s it’s creating a field called

lifestyle medicine which is using

lifestyle changes not only to help

prevent disease but actually to treat it

and often even reverse it and so we’ve

used for the last 40 years these very

high-tech expensive state-of-the-art

scientific measures to prove how

powerful these very ancient and and and

and and powerful approaches these can be

you know the more diseases that we’ve

studied in the more underlying

biological mechanisms we look at the

more reasons we have to explain why

these changes are so powerful and how

quickly they can occur and I think these

findings are giving literally millions

of people new hope and new choices but

what I want to focus on today is what I

consider the most important epidemic

which is the epidemic of loneliness and

isolation and depression you know 50

years ago there’s no no I mean it’s been

a radical transformation in our society

50 years ago people most people had an

extended family they saw regularly they

had a job that felt secure that they’d

been out for ten years or more and so

had their colleagues so they got to know

each other they had two or three

generations of people living in a

neighborhood they had a church or

synagogue they went to regulate and most

people today don’t have any of those and

part of the value of research is it can

raise awareness and awareness to me is

always the first step in healing and

part of what we’re learning from these

studies is that study after study are

showing that people who are lonely and

depressed and isolated are three to ten

times more likely to get sick and die

prematurely from pretty much all causes

when compared to those who have a sense

of love and connection in the community

and I don’t know anything in medicine

that has that powerful an impact and so

one of the reasons why growing up in a

family or with two or three generations

of people is that people actually know

you they don’t just know your facebook

profile or your biosketch they know when

you messed up you know they saw you

whatever it was they know your demons

they know your problems and

you know that they know and they know

that you know that they know and there’s

something very primal about being seen

in that way it’s kind of like in James

Cameron’s movie Avatar you know I see

you you know it’s sort which is really

from an African proverb just being seen

in all of who you are or warts and all

is incredibly powerful and so it’s not

enough we’ve learned you know I’m doing

these studies I’ve asked people you know

why do you smoke and why do you overeat

and drink too much and work too hard and

abuse substances these behaviors seem

some maladaptive and they look at me

they go you don’t get it you don’t have

a clue these behaviors are maladaptive

they’re very adaptive because they help

us deal with our loneliness our

depression or isolation they’ll say

things like you know I I’ve got 20

friends in this pack of cigarettes and

they’re always there for me and nobody

else is you’re gonna take away my 20

friends what are you gonna give me you

know or food fills that void or fat

coats my nerves and numbs the pain or

alcohol or other drugs numb the pain

that’s why we have an opioid epidemic

it’s just part of a larger issue or

video games numb the pain or more

socially acceptable way is working all

the time numbs the pain we’ve all done

that and so we can’t just give people

information we can’t just you know focus

on the behavior we have to focus on

these deeper issues because ultimately

that’s what makes them sustainable and I

first got interested in this in my own

life when I was a freshman in college at

Rice University in Houston and became

suicide depressed and came about as

close to killing myself as you can

without actually doing it it wasn’t in

the course catalog but it turned out I

later found out that the highest suicide

rate per capita of any school in the

country and I became suicidal because

not only did I feel like I was stupid

but I felt like I could take all the

meaning out of everything you know so

what big deal

who cares nothing matters why bother you

know all the usual things like that and

it became a you know depression severe

depression is a real reality distortion

field as Steve Jobs used to talk about

in other words you think you’re seeing

things clearly for the first time things

are bad they’ll always be bad they’ve

always been bad and anytime you thought

otherwise you were just fooling yourself

and that’s where the the hallmark of

depression which is the helplessness and

hopelessness comes from is that belief

that things are always going to be bad

and so there’s an old saying that when

the student is ready the teacher appears

and for me what really saved

was an ecumenical spiritual teacher

named Swami Satchidananda and he taught

me that I was looking in the wrong place

for my health and my well-being he he

liked to make puns people would say what

are you a Hindu he’d say no I’m an undo

you know and and he helped me learn

where do peace and health really come

from and that’s really the central focus

of what I want to talk about today

because our whole culture the whole

advertising industry teaches is it comes

from outside ourselves just yet

more stuff more accomplished more more

money more whatever then you’ll be happy

and the problem is that the you know

once you buy into that view of the world

until you however it turns out you feel

bad if only I had more whatever then I’d

be happy until you get it you’re unhappy

by definition if someone else gets it

and you don’t then you’re really unhappy

and makes you feel like we live in this

zero sum game dog-eat-dog world the more

you get the lesser is for me if you

never get it your bed and if you get it

it’s seductive in the moment it’s like I

got it it’s mine but it doesn’t usually

last it’s usually followed either by now

what you know one patient told me I

can’t even enjoy the view from the

mountain I’ve climbed the MARTA looking

over the next one or so what big deal it

doesn’t really provide that lasting

meaning that I thought it would and

another you know patients said you know

the the the letdown that comes from

accomplishing the goal is so great I

always make sure I have a dozen projects

going at the same time but what I

learned from the Swami and really it’s

part of all spiritual traditions is that

the peace and health are there already

it’s not something you have to get it’s

something that we have already and that

the goal of all these different

practices meditation and yoga and prayer

and whatever it is that you happen to do

is not that they bring you a sense of

peace and well-being but rather they

help us quiet down our mind and body to

experience what’s already there and and

and that’s may sound like you know

parsing words and semantics but it’s all

the difference in the world because if

you have to get that from outside of

yourself like when I was in medical

school I I got depressed because I

thought I was never gonna get in the

medical school and you know be all alone

and but but the problem is is that if if

you think it comes from outside you

everyone who has what you think you need

has power over you whereas if it’s if

I’m starting to feel anxious or worried

or upset I can say what am i doing

that’s disturbing what’s already there

and that is very empowering

I can do something about that otherwise

everybody has power over me and so when

we quiet down our minded bodies we can

experience even if it’s only momentarily

if you’ve meditated or you do whatever

you do to quiet down your mind and

you’re feeling more peaceful remind

yourself remind yourself that that

feeling didn’t come from the meditation

it was already there what you did is at

least temporarily he removed what was

disturbing that and the other thing that

happens is that when you quiet down your

mind you begin to hear your own inner

teacher your own inner guru your own

inner wisdom the still small voice

within whatever name you give to that

it’s that voice that wakes us up at 3:00

in the morning and says hey Dean listen

up pay attention you’re not doing

something that’s in your best interest

or here’s something that you might want

to think about that’s really creative

you know all the studies that I’ve done

really came from that place and then

kind of reverse engineering to see if I

could prove that they were that those

insights were really true and when you

learn to recognize that voice you can

tie into that you can tap into that even

in the in the busiest times of your day

if you just take a moment and stop and

listen and the other thing that happens

when you quiet when we quiet down our

mind enough is that we experience what

it means to be in a transcendent state

and by that it means that on one level

you know obviously we’re separate you’re

you and I mean but on another level or a

part of something larger that connects

us all together whatever name you give

to that even to give it a name is to

limit what’s essentially an ineffable a

limitless infinite experience this

interconnectedness this oneness and all

the what Aldous Huxley call the

perennial philosophy what you find in

all the different religions once people

stop killing themselves over the

differences in rituals and so on the

love compassion altruism and empathy and

forgiveness really come from that place

of transcendence it’s a direct

experience that when you see a people as

you in another form then naturally

compassion flows from that but you know

you know it’s it’s not that you have to

get that we disturb our own inner sense

of ease and we become diseased or you

know the the ancient Swami’s and rabbis

and priests and monks and nuns didn’t

discover these approaches just to unclog

their arteries or lower their blood

pressure cholesterol they can do all

those things but these are really

powerful tools for transformation they

free us from our suffering right here

and right now

and I first learned this when I was

doing my very first study 40 years ago

and I was a second year medical student

and I had ten men and women who had

really bad heart disease and I put him

in a hotel for a month and one of the

guys was an older dentist who was

homophobic and of course one of the

younger guys was gay and so the older

guys had some really awful stuff to the

younger guy the Eiger said some equally

awful stuff back they started yelling at

each other at the top of their lungs one

just clutched his chest and an Djimon

took a nitroglycerin the other clutched

his chest took a Demerol slammed the

door slammed the door I thought wow

they’re both going to die and this is

going to be the end of my very short

research career so I talked to them I

said look you’re giving the power to

give you chest pain and maybe even a

heart attack and die to the guy that you

hate the most that’s not really smart

even from your own self-interest

especially from your own self-interest

and so they became more loving and

compassionate didn’t have any more

participating so the suffering can be a

doorway for transforming our lives you

know when Nelson Mandela was released

from prison after 16 years and had his

long walk to freedom people said are you

do you are you angry with your jailers

and he said well you know they took away

the best years of my life but if I’m

still if I still hate them that I’m

still in prison in my heart and so

anything that really brings us together

is healing you know and that intimacy to

me is the root of healing even the word

healing comes from the root to make

whole yoga from the Sanskrit to yoke to

unite Union these are really old ideas

that we’re rediscovering you know versus

the other you know if you see people is

different and only different then that

leads to those Mexican rapists and those

Muslim terrorists and all those horrible

things that come from that basic

misunderstanding of what the way things

really are whereas when we can be

grounded in that transcendent state

compassion and love and caring all

really flow naturally from that and so

it’s a kind of a double vision that on

one level were separate on another level

were not and so my teacher built a

temple out on the James River outside of

Charlottesville and it has a beam of

light coming up and then it hits a beam

splitter and it illuminates the altars

of all the different religions with the

idea that truth is one you know paths

are many and it helps us get past a lot

of these false choices you know I’ve

been doing research for a long time

people say oh you know you know am I

going to live longer is there just going

to seem longer if I change my diet and

lifestyle you know is it fun for me or

is it good for me you know

the only way that you get to live to be

a hundred is by not doing all the things

that make you want to live to be a

hundred you know variations on those

themes but actually this is what allows

us to leave the most juicy life that the

spiritual teachers that I’m attracted to

the Dalai Lama and the Swami and others

are the ones that live a joyful life

they just being around them you make it

makes you feel good and if it’s

meaningful then it’s sustainable and if

it’s pleasurable then it’s sustainable

and one of the things I learned when I

was in college as I mentioned is I could

take all the meaning out of everything

but I also learned that I could imbue

choices with meaning and one of the ways

of doing that is by just by choosing not

to do certain things that you otherwise

could do imbues those choices with

meaning so when I talk to someone and

say you know if you’d a plant-based diet

you can reverse heart disease and

diabetes and prostate cancer and change

your gene expression and lengthen your

telomeres and reverse aging in a

cellular level and the more diseases we

study and the more mechanisms we look at

the more evidence we have for that but

when people say gosh you know I mean I

can’t have everything I want you say

well you can do anything you want you’re

free but you know all spiritual

traditions have dietary guidelines and

they’re often different from each other

in one religion you can eat this but not

that or certain days of the week or

certain times a day and you know is it

all right it’s God confused I don’t know

but whatever intrinsic benefit there is

in making certain diet and lifestyle

choices just the act of choosing not to

eat something that you otherwise could

do imbues those cases with meaning and

if it’s meaningful than it’s sustainable

and because these underlying biological

mechanisms are so dynamic most people

feel so much better so quickly it

reframes the reason for making these

changes from fear of dying to joy of

living and joy of and pleasure and

feeling good are really what are

sustainable and even in relationships

you know there was a South Indian say in

100 years ago named Ramakrishna and he

said you can dig a lot of shallow wells

and never reach reach water or you can

dig one deep one and reach the

wellspring and so for example my my wife

and I have been together for 20 years

and before that I used to date other

people which was really fun but we

decided to be in a committed monogamous

relationship now again is that the ball

and chain well it certainly can be or is

it a way of creating a sacred space and

a sense of safety because you know you

can only be intimate to the degree you

can open your

hard and be vulnerable and you can only

do that to the degree you feel safe and

so we feel more and more safe over the

years as we are we you know we continue

to trust each other and it’s like layers

of an onion you know the more you can

open the more incident becomes and the

more intimate comes the more erotic it

becomes which I never knew before and so

it’s it’s instead of having the same

kind of experience with different people

it’s these profoundly different

experiences with the same person and and

that and the more intimate it becomes

the more fun it becomes and so you know

when we have a day together we’re not

trying to create recreate an experience

that we might have had before however

wonderful that might have been we’re

where we have what’s called beginner’s

mind you know we’re open to all

possibilities all degrees of freedom

we’re not trying to create something

we’re just trying to be open to whatever

flows from that because if we’re just

trying to create something recreate

something it won’t be fresh and so we

trust each other enough to be open to

whatever happens and most of the time

it’s like the most intensely erotic

wonderful experience that either one of

us has ever had and not just by a little

but by a lot even after many years

together and so you know with because it

allows us to go so much deeper which

makes it more intimate which makes it

more erotic and so it’s not a moral

issue it’s it’s just like okay what

brings you the most pleasure and the

most fun just like yeah you if you eat a

plant-based diet you’re helping the

world you know you you know there’s less

global warming and all that but more

importantly you you think more clearly

you have more energy you need less sleep

your sexual function improves you you

know you’re you you can grow some of the

new brain neurons you’re breaking

immeasurably bigger and so what we gain

is so much more than what we give up and

to make great art great science great

love making great anything is that

ability to see with without

preconceptions so that you can be open

to all possibilities and all degrees of

freedom it’s a difference between

imitation and innovation and so if it’s

pleasurable it’s sustainable and what we

gain is is so much more than what we

give up and so it’s not just how long we

live it’s how well we live and I’m

learning that these ancient spiritual

truths actually give us the great amount

of pleasure which is what makes them so

sustainable and so thank you for the

chance to share that with you today I really appreciated

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