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Innovation | Rory Sutherland | TEDxBrighton


I’m actually going to go slightly off

piste here and build on what Richard

said because two nights ago I went out

to dinner with a bunch of geneticists

and as an advertising man I said to them

look I think you’re probably right about

IQ it is this single monolithic measure

and it correlates with lots of different

things but I said as an advertising and

marketing man can I make a suggestion I

said I think you ought to lie I said if

you actually tell people that start fact

that there is this single measure and

it’s monolithic and it correlates with

goodness knows what else I said the

problem is it’s fundamentally

unpalatable and no one will be able to

form policy on it what I said is what

you ought to do is say there are

different kinds of intelligence and

they’re complementary the one story is

unpalatable because it essentially

implies you should rank human value on a

linear scale which says that X is more

valuable than Y I said if you could just

create multiple forms of intelligence

you can tell a completely different

story which is this kind of person is

highly complementary to that kind of

person

and we’ve actually all got different

strengths and comparative advantages and

great organizations can draw on them all

in a complementary and different way

what it now appears is that you don’t

need to lie to do this this is in fact

neuroscientific truth so I’m

extraordinarily grateful for that last

talk what I’m also going to do is build

quite a lot on what Professor pine who

would make an excellent I think new

participant in a new gender-neutral form

of Cluedo by the way as a name I think

I’d like to build on what Professor pine

has to say about the question of

breaking out of choice breaking away

from what you might call the standard

script now no sensible definition of

wealth will simply be financial at some

level any healthy definition of wealth

is that to be wealthy you are in a

position where you can make a large

number of reasonably well-informed

successful choices to be financially

wealthy

but to live in a highly impoverished

area is not really wealth because you

may have a large amount of money and you

may derive some pleasure from reading

your bank account but when you go out of

the house because everybody else is poor

there are no restaurants there are no

bars there’s virtually nothing

worthwhile for you to do with your money

so the idea of wealth is purely an

individualistic thing strikes me as

dangerous but I think there’s a really

important question here which is that we

tend to assume and this comes from some

of the precepts and axioms of

neoclassical economics that in order to

make society wealthy and individuals

more wealthy the only way to do it is

essentially to create more stuff I would

argue that since wealth really lies in

the number of rewarding choices you can

make you can create wealth in a much

more interesting and more

environmentally friendly manner by just

generating the possibility for people to

once you define wealth in that way

things the whole tenor of debate becomes

different the problem I think here lies

in the central axioms of neoclassical

economics one of which is that we all

make decisions and the reason they make

this assumption is simply to make

mathema Kannamma ‘kz look like it’s a

science in order to make economics look

like it’s a science where the maths is

reasonably tractable and the things that

are important are expressible in

numerical form you make a whole series

of assumptions and the assumptions are

that we all are a series of utility

maximizing actors making decisions in

standalone economic transactions in an

atmosphere of perfect information of

perfect trust now

just to be clear out this I completely

accept the idea that scientists have to

make assumptions in order to develop

models I would argue these aren’t

actually assumptions there are there

barefaced lies none of that is true

first of all there are almost never on

earth do you find the conditions of

perfect information and perfect trust

secondly even if you could create those

conditions our brains did not evolve

to make decisions under such conditions

most of our evil is true him

inheritance took place in cases where we

had to make decisions using deeply

imperfect and incomplete information we

probably had to make those decisions in

limited time and in an environment where

it was never entirely clear who you

could trust so even if you could create

a world that was ideal for Homo

economicus Homo sapiens would find it

deeply strange now part of the problem

of that assumption which is that people

have perfect information and perfect

trust is you assume that people already

are making the best choices they

possibly can and the only possible way

of creating economic value is to add

more choices what it’s completely blind

to is the idea that by designing choices

differently we can make people richer

wealthier perhaps if I’m to be precise

my distinctions in my use of language we

can make people wealthier without using

any more resources at all we can just

help people choose more widely here’s an

example I think which I think is one of

the most important quotations to come

from the dot-com world which comes up

with some pretty stupid stuff but this

is really important the best may be the

only real direct measure of innovation

is change in human behavior this comes

from Stewart Butterfield who’s the

inventor of slack and before that the

inventor of Flickr what’s really

valuable in life is when you allow

people to do different things

things they otherwise wouldn’t have

contemplated things they lack the

confidence to do previously or things

that simply didn’t occur to them I would

argue that marketing plays just as great

a role in innovation by the way as

technology does for the simple reason

that it’s one thing to come up with a

technology it’s a separate in some cases

more difficult challenge to get people

comfortably to adopt a new behavior and

the reason for that as I said is the

distinction between the economic idea of

how we make decisions and an

evolutionary psychologists idea one of

the things that’s deeply embedded in us

for reasons for perfectly healthy

evolutionary reasons is that

and large we’re not trying to maximize

anything we’re trying to avoid

catastrophe as an evolutionary biologist

explained to me there are far more ways

of dying than there are surviving and so

our brain is calibrated slightly I just

smoke detector we want something that’s

pretty good but we definitely definitely

don’t want it to be terrible when you’re

making decisions under uncertainty it

isn’t just the average outcome that

matters it’s the variance that’s why

ignore Sat Navs when I go to an airport

what the Sat Nav is telling me is the

fastest route on average on the way home

that’s pretty good on the way to the

airport I ignore the Sat Nav and take a

roads why because my brain also factors

in I did this instinctively before I

realized what the maths was um the a

road will always be 20 minutes slower

but unlike the motorway where if a lorry

jackknives that clackett lane and

basically they’re all morning the a road

will never be so significantly slower

that I miss my plane the motorway has a

higher average but a far more extreme

variance the a road also has higher

optionality I can turn off it if there’s

a problem and try route C or route D or

Rooney on the motorway I’m effectively

trapped okay unless you’ve got a 4×4

vehicle and you’re prepared to drive

it’s an interesting question by the way

in motorway design why nobody spotted

this problem a proper motorway really is

designed for optimal conditions what

they forgot to include is little

emergency exits if things go badly wrong

but if we define wealth as actually the

range of possible rewarding behaviors we

can adopt everything becomes different

and one of the most important

disciplines

once you define wealth this way is how

well you design choice now this is a

menu in a format I’ve only come across

once in my life it was in a restaurant

Portugal which doubles as a clown school

don’t ask okay

it was actually a very good meal now I

personally think every restaurant meal

should take this format as you can see

this was taken in the era before mobile

phones had very good cameras and as you

can also see by the appalling focus I

think it was taken after lunch I think I

asked him to bring a menu back this is

how it works you choose the menu Branco

the menu and the veal sorry she wants

Dora the Explorer there then there’s the

orange one the red one or the green one

each one is a set menu but you can

substitute laterally any way you like

so it offers you exactly the same amount

of freedom as an ala carte menu one it

makes deciding a bit easier because you

can split into two stages which of those

do I like the most is there any one

thing on the say orange menu which I

really don’t like the sound of maps in

which case I’ll substitute but there’s

an extra layer of information in there

which is what the chef thinks works as a

cohesive menu chef’s apparently go crazy

because they know which main courses

complement which starter but then they

have to put it on a menu format which

allows people to ride roughshod over

that knowledge if you think about it you

don’t go to a classical music concert

and go actually I think today we’ll have

the first movement of Schubert’s

unfinished symphony and the second

movement of Mendelssohn six or whatever

okay you tend to go Mendelssohn probably

knows his about music so we’ll

allow him will allow him to actually set

the set the agenda here but with

restaurants no no we ignore the chef’s

recommendations completely and we just

pick things at random you’re still free

to pick things at random if you want to

be perverse here but you have an extra

layer of information which is not

freedom reducing in the slightest but I

would argue it’s welfare enhancing now

why why aren’t all menus designed like

this there is a very strange facet of

the human brain which is that when the

choices we’re presented with are bad we

don’t notice we seem to have evolved to

make decisions instantaneously using

whatever information is

and something that Daniel Kahneman’s

remarked on it’s very rare for people

when you present them with the choice to

say before I can make this decision I

need more information

let me give you an example driving back

from deal towards Seven Oaks and

Brighton is actually an incredibly

germane audience to give you this

example you come as you drive along the

m20 towards the m25 you come to this

sign now to start with the sign is

because it relies on you knowing London

is sign posted in both lanes Dartford

Crossing which of course mentally as to

the right is obviously the left-hand

Lane even people in swanly don’t know

whether it’s south or north of the m20

there is no primary route destination it

should say Brighton or Gatwick or

something we can actually get our head

around so you get to that thing you’re

probably tooling along at about 75 at

that point and you go I didn’t

really understand that sign at all now

just because anybody in the audience

ever missed the turn for the m25 coming

back from Dover I’ve got about 810 fit

no more okay you all done it right now

if you think you’re weird this is

Brighton and there’s large number P I

got one person raising their hand when I

asked the question in Johannesburg this

is a widespread problem and after I’d

made this mistake for the fourth time I

finally asked the question maybe it’s

not you it’s them so I went on Google

Street View as you can see this is a

screen grab from Google Street View I

mean okay so you get to this time you go

I don’t understand this what where the

hell’s swanly what’s going on swanly is

cheaply chiefly famous for a road rage

killing rather than as a place on the

m25 um don’t worry because hit on the

horizon I can see another gantry you can

just see that on the just on the horizon

I will wait for the next signpost and I

will use it to inform my choice and so

you get not to worry let’s wait for the

next signpost and as you approach it

before you can read what it says

so it wasn’t you it’s them and I’ve

complained to the Highways Agency about

this and said look by the time you can

read that sign it’s too late to act on

the information it contains frankly for

all the value of that sign you might as

well just paid instead of London inertia

you might as well paint ha ha you’ve

missed the turning you dick right and

you know the strange thing was and this

is what automatic I think something

about the evolved brain it was only

after I’ve made the mistake repeatedly

and I suddenly realized holding you on

the habit of missing motorway exits

everywhere you go what’s so special

about this one that I finally discovered

how unbelievably mind-blowing Lee

actually not only stupid but dangerous

that is but in a certain percentage of

people um then swerve across the stripy

bit into the path of oncoming traffic

but we didn’t notice that there was

something wrong we just made a bad

decision and I think that’s true but a

lot of choice architecture I’m gonna be

myself unpopular you may be myself

unpopular twice in this talk once at the

end when I suggest that baking programs

should be banned for two years because

they’re stupid I do okay right okay

sorry

there is minority support for that

anyway um and the second one when I

suggest that wine as a drink is

overrated whoo okay basically there is

never a situation where white wine is

nicer than a gin and tonic we’re just

pretending okay just pretentious

middle-class toss you know it’s like The

Princess and the pea you claim you care

about these totally irrelevant

distinctions it’s also massively

inconsistent wine when you think about

it if I opened a bottle of cornflakes

and they were all soggy and black I rang

up the Kellogg’s company they said

oh that’s the 2016 cornflake we had

I would not go marvelous kellogg’s let

me try and notice some of the exciting

new taste features I’d go sort your

act out Helens okay I want the

third bloody box to taste like the first

but with wine then Adela it’s perfectly

acceptable to have absolutely no quality

control whatsoever okay now when you go

into a restaurant what happens you are

effectively manipulated to buy wine

first of all there are wine glasses on

the table we found that if you remove

these wine consumption goes down

secondly you’re handed a drinks list

which is not called a drinks this it’s

called the wine list right now that

contains in choice architecture about

four pages of totally unnecessary

variety of red and white wine of various

price points and then a small laminated

page at the back for the deviants and

perverts who want to drink an alcoholic

drink from a country that’s actually

mastered the technology required for

brewing or distillation and then what

happens even clever a still they then

pass the wine list to one person now

there’s only one alcoholic drink you can

share among a whole table of people so

the second that guy says red or white

it’s game over for the gin drinkers

you’ve basically been bullied in the

position but you never object the choice

architecture of ordering wine in a

restaurant is basically the same as that

you find on the m20 we don’t notice when

our choices are presented in a choice

limiting way this is an airline website

notice it asks you what class of tickets

you want before you know the price

difference it’s a totally stupid point

to ask that question patently if it’s 20

quid more to go in Premium Economy I’m

on if it’s 2,000 I’m not you cannot ask

that answer that question at that point

on the website nonetheless they ask it

and we make our best stab at it okay we

don’t notice when choice architectures

bad so by improving choice architecture

we can increase human wealth without

increasing human consumption this is a

beautiful example by the way the Accardo

green van which gets people to choose

are mentally friendly thing without

offering them a financial incentive it

just makes the van green our son Ricardo

how well does it work he said I’m not

allowed to tell you I said go on give me

a clue he said let me just say this you

wouldn’t believe it changes to choice

can solve massive problems the delayed

prescription reduces unnecessary

prescriptions of antibiotics by a

significant factor the patient leaves

the doctor perfectly happy because

they’ve got a bit of paper in their hand

it’s post dated to Friday most of them

never go and cash it in because they’re

feeling better by then

and basically once we’re feeling better

we’re over any need for medicine once we

start on the up okay if you give people

a prescription and say don’t take it in

for three days time what they actually

do is they go they walk out they walk

past boots on the way back to the car

they might as well cash this in now they

paid eight quid for the antibiotics so

sunk cost bias are paid for these

buggers so I might as well take them

that reduces but I think about a factor

of three the level of unnecessary

consumption of antibiotics if you want a

big economic one rather than a health

benefit one that is the old Tube map

when I moved to London this is the new

Tube map and it includes what young

people call the ginger line which is the

overground now what most of you haven’t

if you’ve used the ginger line or the

overground a fairly significant group

actually what you may not know is that

ninety five percent of that line already

existed when I moved to London it was

called silver link Metro was operated by

rail companies when they took it over

yes they made the trains a bit nicer and

more frequent yes they lit the station’s

better the most important thing they did

was they added it to the map I would

argue by adding it to the Tube map they

created something like six to eight

billion of infrastructure value at a

cost of some ink how do I know that

because although these trains had been

running for years when it appeared on

the Tube map usage of those lines went

up by 400% in one month alone the reason

people weren’t using the infrastructure

wasn’t because it didn’t exist it’s

because it wasn’t mentally

guessable it wasn’t an accessible choice

creating choice creates wealth you don’t

need to build a damn thing and so here’s

my kind of idea at the end of all this

which I call the libertarian

intervention now this is I think a

beautiful example from public health

England of a libertarian intervention

it’s difficult to stop smoking because

doing it on your own is hard if you can

just encourage large groups of people to

do the same thing simultaneously a

choice which was difficult becomes

significantly easier you are five times

more likely to quit for good if you do

it in that October period when you’ve

got quite a lot of support from other

people who are trying the same thing

where there’s a limited target it’s just

really well-designed choice so my

question is what else can we do let’s

look for hundreds it’s easy it’s

inexpensive and it can be fantastic I’ll

go back today to a town called Seven

Oaks where you get off the train and

basically it’s a commuter town and yet

all the shops which complain massively

that everybody is always going to

out-of-town shops they close at 5:30

around 6 o’clock something like 10,000

people with muddy disgorged themselves

into Seven Oaks to find all the shops

closed why do they not stay open later

and open later it’s because it’s one of

those coordination problems if you’re

the only shop to do it it makes no

difference to you it’s something which

can either be done simultaneously or not

at all and that’s where libertarianism

falls down in fact it falls down on

coordination issues if you’re a hardcore

libertarian I guess you’d say I

disapprove of painted lines in the car

park because it interferes with my

rights to park at the diagonal but by

and large you need someone to paint

lines in the car park so in the United

States 40% of people took no vacation at

all

in 2014 the reason is if you ask people

most Americans would prefer to have less

salary and more vacation if you think

about you could double American vacation

allowance from two weeks to four with

just a four percent pay cut so people

want vacation why do they not do it well

in economic theory they just choose

the perfect balance between leisure and

money in reality how hard should you

work if you’re in an office and there’s

only one game theoretic answer that

which is a bit harder than the bugger

next year so it creates an arms race

I’ve tried to do this at Ogilvy I

haven’t succeeded yet every time we

offer someone a pay rise we should be

mandated to say you can either take this

all as money or you can take it as half

money half holiday to create a choice

where practically for reasons of social

norming none existed before stock Tober

let’s steal from that idea doing your

finances is really boring

okay let’s create an extra bank holiday

and call it national sort your financial

at weekend

there can be intensive advertising of

financial products and you will create

conversation around pensions the rest of

the air if you mentioned pensions people

will quite rightly shun you as the most

boring person in the room on that one

weekend it’s kind of start Tober like on

that one weekend it’s okay to discuss

those things we create a little

coordinated burst when higher education

expanded I would argue we sort of

reduced choice everybody was table

they’re more places at further education

the problem was is now you put a badge

over someone who didn’t go to university

when it was twenty percent of people who

went to university not going to

university didn’t have much significance

now you’re one of the people who hasn’t

got a degree

if you reserve twenty percent of places

for people over 30 it becomes a

perfectly acceptable decision to make

socially to say I’ve decided to defer it

I’d rather get a job first and go and do

something well I’m a bit older anything

that creates makes a choice socially

possible is I would argue wealth

creating and if we look at wealth that

way we’ll do things differently and

we’ll also ban bakery programs let me

explain why they set the bar too high if

you go home this evening and you order a

pizza from Pizza Hut or Domino’s and a

six-pack of beer you will have a time

which is 95 percent as enjoyable as if

you start

some three-tier insane creation with

homemade profiteroles okay but because

the competitive bar is set

unrealistically high what actually

happens is people have dinner parties

too infrequently because the price of

failure is just too high so deliberate

Slaven ization of the country in terms

of its eating habits would actually be a

social boom again it’s a libertarian

invention go and invent some of your own

thank you very much indeed [Applause]

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