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How we challenged NASA | Carl Nord & Simon Fors | TEDxGöteborg


a bright light is shining in your eyes a

dozen live broadcasting cameras are

pointing at your face the television

host is just about to ask you the first

question and your heart is pounding in

your chest you stop for a moment and ask

yourself how on earth did I end up here

this was us – a few months ago we were

two high school students supposedly

proving NASA wrong in our final final

science project about the aerodynamics

of model rockets so what exactly did we

examine what we looked at was the

so-called drag coefficient of a mile

rocket the drag coefficient describes

our aerodynamic and Arbutus is heavily

dependent on the shape of the object the

drag coefficient is found in the so

called drag equation where CD is the

drag coefficient larger this number is

the greater is their resistance and the

lower this number is the weaker is the

air resistance so in short to make a

rocket fly higher and faster you want a

low coefficient and what we found was at

the NASA’s official webpage they stated

and I quote a typical value for the drag

coefficient of a mall rocket is point 75

and we thought this can’t be true if we

put this into perspective consider a

streamline sports car where the

designers have tweaked and changed every

millimeter to perfection to make the car

go as fast as possible what does it have

point 25 now consider a ball you can

throw a ball but isn’t very aerodynamic

what does it have point 15 so hang on

since point 50 is less than point 75

that would mean that a ball something

that is short and compact would be more

aerodynamic than a rocket some of that

is long and thin and designed to travel

through air that doesn’t make any sense

no it doesn’t and here comes to mind

puzzling part we know something we know

another object it has a drag coefficient

of around point 75 and that object is a

trash can absurd it doesn’t make any

sense so we wanted to determine the real

number for a drag coefficient of a mile

rocket so let’s say a car company wants

to determine the drag coefficient of the

new car then you have a huge wind tunnel

they put their car in they blow in that

a certain speed and they measure that

drag force that I’m plugging into the

equation and bam they get a number

that’s easy so of course we wanted to do

this for their model rockets that we

built so we called Volvo’s just around

the corner and we asked them hey we’re

two science students we’re doing a

project could we use your wind tunnel no

but Chalmers they have a wind tunnel

right yeah they do so we called Chalmers

up and asked hey we’re two science

students we’re doing a project could we

use your wind tunnel no so we had to

think again and we know that when

something is falling it’s accelerating

you to pull of gravity and that’s this

object picks up speed the air resistance

grows greater and greater and eventually

the air resistance will be just as great

as the pull of gravity and it reaches

its terminal velocity and the terminal

velocity is directly connected to the

drag coefficient if you know one you

know the other so if we could determine

the terminal velocity for rockets we

would be good to go but in order to

achieve terminal velocity you would have

to drop them from a height of a couple

of kilometers and there will be crashing

down and crazy speeds not very practical

but we figured the acceleration on the

rocket would changed throughout the fall

and if we only could measure how the

acceleration changed at the very

beginning of the fall we could then

calculate what it would be at the very

end and how do you measure acceleration

with an accident if we had an actual

rahmanir we could do all this we have

solved the problem so we were on our

tutor and asked do you have an

accelerometer no so in the end what we

did was since we couldn’t afford an

accelerometer is we made our own

we bought two small chips we solved them

together we wrote this software in order

to make it lug the data and we could

then put this inside our Rockets and

then we needed a place to drop them

preferably inside and we found a place

here in Gothenburg where we could drop

them from the 8th floor

well then Simon and I we got there and

Simon was quite quick to say Carl it’s

better if I’m upstairs you’ll be

downstairs so then he took the Rockets

you went into the elevator you rode up

the eight stairs you got out he then

carefully looked over the edge you took

one of the Rockets he inserted it in

this mechanism we built in that stood

back you have three two one and he

pulled the wire and the rocket fall fell

and there eight floors down I stand with

an old bedsheet trying to catch these as

they’re falling down they have a speed

of about 80 kilometres an hour and we

did this 20 times and we also dropped

the ball a Poli might wonder why would

we drop a ball but since we came up with

this method ourselves we’re to validate

that it worked and since and since we

know what a ball should have we know

that if our method yields the same

results

we know that our method is correct so we

analyzed our data and we came to some

interesting results

from for the ball we should have point

15 we got point 54 which is very close

and for our Rockets which NASA claimed

should have point 75 we got point 13

which is much more reasonable and with

this product we took part in a national

science competition for young science

products and we actually won the

competition and our prize was to compete

in the world’s largest competition for

young science projects in Phoenix

Arizona against students from 70

different countries from all around the

globe so just before we’re going to fly

to America that’s when we’re interviewed

on the national morning show on TV and

we were nervous than we were but we were

not close just nervous as we were a few

days later it was at the competition in

the US it was judges day which meant

judges were walking around looking at

the projects and interrogating you and

we managed fine throughout the day I

went to write but at the end of the day

we saw one judge walking down the aisle

he had a shaved head was wearing a blue

shirt with a big NASA logo on his chest

he suddenly stopped he saw our title it

said could NASA be wrong in giant

letters he then crossed his arms and he

walked up to us and said alright guys

what are we wrong about so the NASA

engineer was skeptical at first but

after a short time he too was coming

with he too was convinced that the

number was strangely large so we looked

at our poster at the reference source

for this number and he took ups his iPad

and logged on to some NASA network and

soon enough he gave us the professional

email address to the very person who’s

responsible for our number and so

excited we were a year’s work hundreds

of our about this tiny number we wrote

an email we attached our study and we

click that send button and quite soon we

got a reply sorry the email address is

not found so where does this leave us we

have a substantial amount of data that

test that something is wrong with nasa’s

number the web pages where this

information can be found has been

virtually untouched since the guy who

wrote them retired no one seems to be

picking up where his work left off and

this at this point you might ask why

does it matter it’s just a tiny

insignificant number that no will notice

but no this number is constantly being

quoted all around the web everyone

interested in rocket building refers

back to this page and as far as we can

tell no one is questioning it because

it’s NASA this is the Bible of rocketry

but we not only question the number we

set out to find the real answer if

something seems wrong to you with the

information you’re being fed then stand

up and question it even if you have next

to no resources like us our research

produced a different result than what

the accepted truth is and someone’s got

to be wrong and between you and us we’re

pretty sure it’s NASA

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