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From Perception to Pleasure: How Music Changes the Brain | Dr. Robert Zatorre | TEDxHECMontréal


so today’s theme is about change and so

I want to tell you about how music

changes the brain and also a personal

story about how it changed my brain and

so I’m going to start with that and I

want to tell you about when I was an

adolescent and like many adolescents I

was listening to the music that all of

my friends were listening to which was

sort of you know mediocre rock-and-roll

music and one day somehow I came into

the possession of a record album this is

what a vinyl record looks like for those

of you who aren’t familiar with it and

this is music by béla bartók the

Hungarian composer who died in 1945 I

had never heard of Bela Bartok I had no

idea what it was

I really just randomly sort of put it on

just to see what it sounded like and

this is what I heard

so I still get chills when I hear this

and back then when I was like 13 I

experienced this epiphany I had I’d

never heard anything like this I had

chills down my spine I had goose bumps I

just felt this unbelievable sensation

that I I really couldn’t explain and so

I it really changed me in the sense that

I it gave me a focus about something

that I really needed to pursue and so I

decided right then that I would try to

understand more about music I would try

to learn about music I would try to

learn to play music and that I would

also perhaps try to apply science to

music because I was already quite

interested in science I was already

training as a scientist and so I tried

to put these things together now the

experience that I had of course is one

that probably many of you have had and

indeed it is something very common in

our species so human beings have been

enjoying music for extremely long time

so this flute for example that you see

here dates from the Upper Paleolithic

period that’s about 35 to 40 thousand

years ago and this particular specimen

was found in a cave in the Danube Valley

and what is now part of Germany what’s

remarkable is that at that time this

part of Europe was under glaciers so you

know the living was not easy at that

point for these people who were making

these remarkable musical instruments so

they must have felt a tremendous power

of music to devote energy and resources

and time to the creation of musical

instruments it must have been extremely

important in some sense for their

survival that they would even carry out

these activities when survival was so

difficult otherwise so how is it what

are the what are the brain systems that

allow us to be able to create music to

perform on musical instruments to

perceive musical patterns

and to experience the pleasure from them

well we know a fair bit about this now

over the last few years in many

laboratories around the world and in

mine as well we have been trying to

dissect some of these neural pathways

and this diagram tells you a little bit

about some of the important circuits

that are involved in connecting

different parts of the brain

particularly those that involve

perception of sound and the motor system

for production of sound and kind of a

close-up look of it is here so the

colored areas represent the portions of

the brain that are devoted to the

perception of sounds this is known as

the auditory cortex and then you have

connections going from there to other

regions particularly those that involve

control of the motor system so you have

a kind of a loop between the auditory

and the motor systems that allows us

both to perceive and to produce music

and a point that I want to make is that

when you become trained in music you

basically fine-tune these circuits to a

remarkable degree in this video that I’m

going to show you in a second which is

courtesy of my colleague marcelo

wonderly what you will see is the motion

trajectory of the bow of a violin as the

violinist is playing so there’s a sensor

at the tip of the bow and as the

violinist is playing you’ll see the

patterns that it creates and I want you

to pay attention to the precision with

which these patterns are shown so that

you’ll see that the movements completely

overlap one another in quite a beautiful

see those loops you see how they’re

perfectly superimposed on one another

as we’re playing on two Springs your

sometimes I think we should just forget

about the lecture and listen to the rest

of the Partida and we would be very

happy

so what allows this level of precision

how is it that you can train your brain

to be this accurate well one thing that

is interesting is that musical training

can actually change your brain structure

and this was actually predicted by

Santiago Ramon y Cajal who won the Nobel

Prize for medicine and physiology 1906

and in 1904 he actually predicted this

idea that the brain might be physically

changed by training so he specifically

mentioned the idea of musical training

he said the ability of a Penant of a

pianist requires many years of mental

and physical practice and to understand

this phenomenon fully we have to admit

the formation of new pathways and

progressive growth of nerve terminals so

he had this idea that the anatomy of the

brain could actually be changed by

training and this concept was just a

hypothesis at the time he didn’t have

any direct evidence for it but in our

laboratory and others we’ve been able to

demonstrate that indeed there are some

of these anatomical changes so what you

see here are the two halves of the brain

the two hemispheres left and right and

the colored areas represent areas where

the thickness of the cortex is actually

greater in people who’ve received

musical training compared to a control

group who does not have musical training

and the areas that distinguish these

groups are not surprisingly the auditory

areas that I am showed you earlier as

well as the motor cortex and importantly

areas of the frontal cortex which are

involved in many types of higher order

cognitive functions including executive

functions like planning or anticipation

or being able to create to pay attention

to new new events that are coming up one

important detail about this sort of

result is

that it is linked to the age at which

you start training so we see in this

image the blue region is a an area of

the frontal cortex but it’s degree of

change is linked to the age at which the

person began to train with music so the

earlier you start the more change you

have and this is quite important because

it speaks to the plasticity of the brain

which is greater in earlier ages than in

later ages and you may recall I said I

was about 13 when I had that experience

of music and so I’m one of those blue

dots over there so my my frontal cortex

isn’t quite as developed which is really

why I’m here giving you a lecture about

science and not you know playing an

instrument which is perhaps what I would

do had I started early enough now all of

this that I’ve been telling you about is

with respect to the ability to perceive

and to produce music but really what I

would like to tell you about is about

how it is that we experience pleasure

from music and to do that we have to go

to a very different system of the brain

so everything I’ve been talking about up

until now is in the cortex which is the

outer part of the brain now we have to

go into the deep structures and there’s

one particular structural structure

known as the striatum which is

especially important in the

representation of pleasurable

experiences and this has been discovered

many many years ago so that for example

if you take a lab rat and you give it

food and you measure activity in its

brain you will see that in this area

known as a stratum the dopamine neurons

will be more active when the animals

receiving food so this is basically a

kind of a chemical signal within the

nervous system saying well this is

really good this what you’re getting now

is really important you should try to

get more of it if you can and it’s not

just in lab rats what we can see this in

healthy human participants as well so if

you put people in a brain scan machine

and you give them monetary rewards so

you play some kind of a gambling game

for instance or you give them food

rewards or you expose them to erotic

images you will see a very similar

response in

this deep structure known as the

striatum that’s what this slide

illustrates so there’s a common activity

in this what we call the reward system

to the stimuli which are essentially

essential for survival so you need food

opposites survive you need sex for the

species to survive for reproduction and

monetary rewards you need them only

insofar as the money is fungible right

so you can exchange it for some

something of value and so we wondered

could it be that music would engage the

same biological system even though it is

not a substance you also get these

responses to drugs by the way but music

is not a chemical substance it’s not

strictly speaking necessary for survival

and indeed we’ve been able to

demonstrate that in a series of

experiments you very consistently show

that the stratum is active – highly

pleasurable music we’ve seen this with

blood flow when we measure blood flow in

the brain we see it with dopamine

receptors so when we measure dopamine

uptake while people are experiencing

pleasurable music we see an increase in

the stratum and we can also see it with

functional magnetic resonance imaging

which measures blood oxygen and there

again we see in and this last study is

sort of interesting because what we were

doing there was looking at how much

value people assigned to music so in

this experiment people were exposed to

pieces of music that they hadn’t heard

before and they were asked to decide

whether they wanted to buy it or not

and if they did they had to put a

certain amount of money down so it’s

kind of like iTunes where you hear a

little extra bit of music and then you

decide you want to buy it and you can

pay different amounts so the way the

experiment proceeds is like this you

well that’s okay maybe we’ll give it

$0.99 all right now the next sample

comes in now I don’t really care for

that I think I’ll give it a zero go to

the next one this is kind of groovy

maybe I’ll give it a dollar twenty nine

so in the experiment what we do is we

use the amount of money as an estimate

of the value for that individual to that

particular piece of music and then we

look in the brain what’s happening with

our functional imaging device and what

we see is not only that the reward

system is active in other words there is

more of a response in this region we

call the stratum the more money you’re

willing to give but also and very

importantly the reward system increases

it’s communication with the auditory

cortex the more value that is assigned

in other words those regions that I

talked about earlier in that have to do

with perception are more strongly

coupled with the regions that have to do

with emotion and reward the more you

like something the more you’d like the

music and so this basically links these

two systems of the brain on the left

side we have these cortical systems

which are actually the most

phylogenetically advanced parts of our

brain these are the parts of our brain

that distinguish us from other species

including other primates to a greater

degree than any other region and all of

these cortical areas have to do with

perceiving sounds and being able to plan

for the future

which means that you as you hear music

unfolding you’re able not only to

perceive the sounds but you also have an

expectation about what the next sound is

and the musician or the composer will

sort of play with those expectations so

that they are fulfilled to a greater or

lesser extent that’s all so we’re very

cognitive but on the other hand we have

this interaction with what is one of the

most phylogenetically

parts of our brain which is the these

deep structures in the reward system

which we share with many other animals

so music represents a kind of a fusion

if you will of these two systems the

most sort of advanced cognitive system

with the most powerful emotion and

reward systems and this is basically the

idea that I want to leave you with is

that music has a great power to engage

us to make us feel emotion and to change

our brains and the way we’re thinking of

it is that it derives this power

precisely because it combines these two

very very important systems in our brain

and that I think is the message that I

want to leave you with and also I think

the idea that by combining science and

art we can actually gain a deeper

understanding in the two domains that

these are not two separate domains that

really should be fused and I think if we

want to think about change we want to

think about how can we bring science and

art together thank you very much but is that okay

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