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Breaking Down Misconceptions About Poverty | Sam Magavern | TEDxUniversityatBuffalo


thank you very much my name is Sam and

I’m a procrastinator I’m well-acquainted

with the instant gratification monkey

and when dr. Raja was presenting and

showed the cookie I had an immediate

very strong desire to go get a cookie

right now and I had no desire whatsoever

to get a carrot so my talk today is

called poverty in the United States

whose poor why and what we can do about

it and there we go here in Buffalo New

York a city is being reborn

we’re rediscovering our downtown and our

waterfront developers are rushing to

build luxury apartments and yet over

half the stilled Rijn in the city are

living in poverty you can find similar

stories in cities across the United

States which is both the wealthiest

nation in the world and also a place in

which one out of every five children is

living in poverty can you have a

renaissance if it leaves so many people

behind can a nation be great when it is

so unequal today we’re going to talk

about who’s poor why and what we can do

about it so let’s start by asking who is

living in poverty imagine that you are a

photographer for Time magazine the

editor calls you because she wants to do

a cover story based on the latest census

figures which show that over 40 million

people are living in poverty in the

United States finally in the most

typical poor family that you can she

says and will put them under cover so

our job now is to find that typical

family where should we go to look for

them a city a suburb or a rural area if

you entered a city or rural area you’re

wrong there are more people in poverty

that live in the suburbs should the

typical impoverished family for our

cover story be white black or Hispanic

according to census figures the most

typical race

would be what should we be looking for a

large family or a small one average

family living in poverty has only one or

two children how much education will

that typical parent in poverty have

should we be looking for a high school

dropout or someone with a diploma turns

out that most people living in poverty

have at least a college high school

diploma and many have at least some

college all right now we’ve got our Time

magazine cover

it’s a white mom with one or two kids

living in the suburbs with a high school

diploma hanging on her wall now imagine

that we ask all Americans to close their

eyes and picture a family living in

poverty are they seeing the same picture

that we are why do we have such

erroneous views about poverty one reason

is stereotyping but another reason is

that when we think about poverty we tend

to think about the places and groups

where the poverty rate is highest in

other words we confuse what is

disproportionate with what is typical

because it is true that poverty rates

are higher among people in cities than

people in the suburbs it’s just that

today many more people live in the

suburbs than in the cities so even

though the poverty rate is lower in the

suburbs the total number of impoverished

people is high so let’s take a

metropolitan area with a million people

in it

of whom 300,000 live in the city and

700,000 in the suburbs even if the

poverty rate in the suburbs is only 10%

while the rate in the city is 20% there

will still be 70,000 poor people in the

similarly it is true that the poverty

rate among African Americans is

two-and-a-half times higher than that of

white 26% compared to 10% but there are

200 million whites in the United States

and only about 41 million blacks so

there are still almost twice as many

whites living in poverty as blacks

which helps to explain why our typical

person living in poverty might look

something like this

when we think about poverty and how to

reduce it we need to keep both things in

mind what is typical along with what is

disproportionate

if you were designing a program to serve

people in need it would be important to

realize that most of your clients live

in the suburbs at the same time you

would also want to realize that the city

was suffering from a much higher poverty

rate than any individual suburb was now

let’s ask why are people living in

poverty when we asked a question of why

it matters a great deal whether we’re

talking about individuals groups or

societies to understand why let’s do a

quick thought experiment imagine that

there are 100 of you in the classroom

today and that none of you had breakfast

or lunch you are very very hungry made

only hungrier by dr. Rajas presentation

but it so happens that I brought with me

a bushel of 90 apples 100 of you 90

apples I empty the bushel on the floor

and you and an explosion of hunger games

like activity grabbed the apples

sadly you ten in the back row did not

get any apples you’re suffering from

Apple poverty now examine each of you as

individuals to learn why you did not get

an apple just to make you feel what

and try and figure out what I can do to

help it turns out that one of you has a

sprained ankle so for you I provide a

nice bandage and physical therapy

one of you suffers from narcolepsy you

were actually asleep during my talk so

for you I prescribe a powerful medicine

well you over there you have some

motivational issues you were just not

feeling the Apple challenge for you I’m

assigning a life coach now let’s agree

that each one of these interventions is

successful and the next time I empty out

the 90 apples each of the ten folks in

back muscles through the scrum and gets

an apple have I solved our Apple poverty

problem no ten people still did not get

an apple so I go back to the drawing

board and it occurs to me that maybe

there was something about those ten

people as a group that explained why

they didn’t get apples yes the group of

ten back there was seated farthest away

from the apples there was a structural

disadvantage that they had so next time

I dumped out the ninety apples I put you

all in a circle and I dropped the apples

they the exact center so you all have a

precisely equal chance but do we still

have a problem that’s right we still

have only 90 apples for a hundred people

so ten people will still go hungry our

first two approaches turned out to have

more to do with which people got the

apples than with how many people got the

apples beyond any individual factors

keeping people from getting the apples

beyond the group inequalities we need to

solve a systemic problem a macro problem

more people than apples one solution has

to do with distribution I can cut all

the apples into sections and give

everybody nine-tenths of an apple or I

could make applesauce and ladle it out

in equal bowls that way no one will get

a whole Apple but no one will go hungry

either

another type of solution is about

growing the pie in this case the apple

pie I could find a way to bring 100

apples instead of 90 now let’s pause

here

for a moment and translate our Apple

game back into the world of public

policy let’s use it to frame our answers

to the question why are people living in

poverty one way to answer that question

is to look at individuals as we did when

we asked about the ten people in the

back row this lens can be helpful for

example when we are asking why did two

brothers who grew up in exactly the same

circumstances but one ended up in

poverty and one did not maybe one worked

harder maybe wanted more talent maybe

one just had better luck they differed

as individuals this individual lense is

also helpful if we’re trying to help a

person get out of poverty or avoid it in

the first place what advice would you

give your teenage child about how to

avoid poverty stay in school and get as

much education as you can that radically

reduces your chances of living in

poverty stay out of trouble with the law

don’t take out too much debt this is all

very good advice but it doesn’t address

the problem of some groups having unfair

advantages let’s imagine two young

people who follow all our advice and now

they’re out applying for jobs except

that one is black and one is white well

study after study has shown that when

researchers send out identical resumes

except that half have white sounding

names and half have black sounding names

the white names get call backs and far

higher rates than the blacks this kind

of discrimination which remains

prevalent in employment but also in

education housing healthcare criminal

justice and every other facet of our

social life helps to explain why

african-americans have twice the poverty

rate of whites but remember even when we

move from the individual to the group we

are still talking about which people not

about how many people are living in

poverty to zero in on this distinction

let’s talk about education education is

the single best way for an individual to

avoid being poor but when it comes to

the macro level

education is a surprisingly weak factor

why think about the job market here in

western New York about one-third of the

jobs that we have are low wage jobs in

the service sector with a median income

of less than $26,000 a year these are

people working as cashiers food servers

daycare workers nursing home aides

they’re all doing important work vital

to our economy but many of them are not

earning enough to keep a family out of

poverty now let’s say that every single

one of those workers earned a PhD well

we have eliminated poverty No

somebody still needs to do all those

jobs and if the jobs paid poverty level

wages then the people who work them will

be living in poverty 7-eleven will not

pay a cashier more because she has a PhD

in economics it’s as simple as that

education is better at predicting which

people live in poverty than how many to

understand our Apple example at the

macro level we have to look at how many

apples are being brought and how they’re

being shared to understand poverty at

the macro level we need to look at how

many living wage jobs there are and how

the wealth that they create is being

shared it’s this society-wide lens that

helps us to understand why the poverty

rate goes up and down how did we cut

poverty among senior citizens

dramatically in the 1960s it wasn’t that

senior citizens as individuals made

better choices it was that we changed

national policy to raise their incomes

with programs like Social Security and

cut their expenses with programs like

Medicare it’s also this policy level

that helps us to understand why

countries with similar economies can

have vastly different poverty rates why

is it that the child poverty rate in

Denmark is less than 3% while in the

United States it’s over 20% Denmark in

the US have made different policy

choices about how to share their apples

now let’s talk about solving poverty the

good news is when it comes to

understanding poverty at the macro level

it’s surprisingly simple

solving poverty is not like curing

cancer or sending people to Mars because

poverty is in many ways a

straightforward problem means that your

income is too low and your expenses are

too high and so reducing poverty means

choosing public policies that raise

people’s incomes and lower their

expenses let’s talk first about raising

incomes the key to income for most

people is wages and there’s some tried

and true ways to raise wages one is to

raise the minimum wage the current

federal minimum wage is 725 an hour

that’s very low in the late 1960s the

minimum wage was worth over $10 an hour

in today’s dollars since then it has

been eroded by inflation if we recovered

those losses by raising it back to where

it was we would bring thousands of

families out of poverty but when we

think about raising incomes remember

that not everyone can work many people

are temporarily or permanently disabled

and whether they live in poverty will

depend in large part on how much public

assistance we provide to them the

federal program we have for people who

are permanently disabled is SSI

Supplemental Security income in 2015 the

annual SSI payment for a single person

was eight thousand eight hundred dollars

the federal poverty line was eleven

thousand seven hundred dollars in other

words our public policy is that people

are permanently disabled should live in

poverty that is not a fact of nature or

a fact of life it’s a decision that we

as a society have made but poverty is

not just a question of income it’s also

a question of expenses think for a

minute about the biggest items in your

household budget things like housing

utilities food transportation and

childcare the cost of these items is

affected not just by the private market

but also by public policies so if we

want to lower people’s expenses we can

lower their expenses for the things that

come out of their basic household budget

an easy one is taxes by lowering the

amount that low income people pay in

their income

taxes we can boost people out of poverty

the program that does that is called the

Earned Income Tax Credit it lifts 10

million people out of poverty each year

other programs like food stamps lower

the cost of food affordable housing

programs lower the cost of rent but it

turns out that the United States spends

much less on these programs than other

countries and that’s why we have such

high poverty rates compared to those

other countries alright let’s wrap up

with what we’ve learned about poverty

the first is that the typical family

living in poverty in the United States

is not who many of us thought it was

it’s a white mom with a high school

diploma and one or two kids living in

the suburbs the second is that certain

groups suffer disproportionately from

poverty and that that fact comes from

discrimination today in a long history

of discrimination in the past and

finally we learned that when it comes to

the causes of poverty it matters whether

we focus on individuals groups or

societies to determine whether we’re

talking about which people live in

poverty or how many and when it comes to

that big question how many people are

living in poverty why are there over 40

million people living in poverty in the

United States today it’s a matter of

public policy choices it’s not that we

don’t know how to solve poverty it’s

that we’ve chosen not to we lack the

political will and that means that it’s

up to all of us to help generate that

political will and demand that our

elected leaders make reducing poverty a top priority after all

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