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What’s in YOUR file? From Prejudice to Understanding | Dr. Mark Benn | TEDxCSU


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my parents met his teenagers their birth

working really hard to emancipate from

their families of origin they’re working

really hard to emancipate from those

families for two very different reasons

they found each other

probably in the backseat of a Chevy and

it’s 16 years old they got pregnant with

my brother he promptly dropped out of

high school got married moved in

together and took the kind of low-paying

jobs that high school dropouts get to

take ten months after my brother was

born I was born ten months after my

brother was born the joke in my family

growing up was that after my brother

came out my dad went right back in on

the eve of my fourth birthday my parents

separate and divorced all for my

grandparents sir Ashkenazi Jews making

obviously my parents Ashkenazi Jews

making me 96.2% Ashkenazi Jew I did one

of those DNA tests you can find on

both my parents remarried by the time I

was seven my father he remarried another

Ashkenazi Jew my mother she remarried an

Irish Catholic man this was problematic

for both of them for a couple different

reasons it was a problem for my mother

because she married a guy who wasn’t

Jewish they gonna remember this is the

1960s the early 1960s nobody broke that

chain back then you didn’t marry out of

your race or out of your religion

especially if you were a Hodgkin ozzie

jew there aren’t that many of us it was

a problem for my stepfather because he

was a Catholic man and he was marrying a

woman who was divorced they moved us to

a very white working-class neighborhood

in Northeast Philadelphia that’s where I

got my first taste of prejudice kids in

the neighborhood made fun of me for the

shape and the size of my nose they

teased me for being short they teased me

for having big ears I remember one time

the kids came home from Catholic school

and they formed a circle around me on

their uniforms and said let’s beat up

the Jew they they called me a rich Jew

and they called me a dirty Jew and I was

confused by all this sometimes they

called me a kike I didn’t know that word

I thought they were calling me a kite I

didn’t know why they’re calling me a

kite I didn’t feel like a kite the rich

Jew thing was really confusing that you

know these rich Jews I don’t know where

they are they’re not in my family all my

parents are high school dropouts I keep

looking for these rich Jews I hope they

show up sometime I want them to send me

their money I’ll do good things with

their money but there were no rich Jews

in my family and the dirty Jew thing was

also confusing to me I mean after I was

a 7 year old boy growing up in a city I

was probably pretty dirty but my am my

family was not and my house was not in

my house you didn’t you didn’t have

trash and trash cans in my house because

if somebody came over to your house and

he’s all trash in the trash can they

might think you were dirty so my house

never had trash in the trash cans in my

house if you were watching a TV show and

you had a drink and you got up to leave

for any reason anyone in your family

anyone in the family might have picked

up that glass and taking it wash it and

put it away my house was not dirty we

were not dirty Jews

my stepfather and mother then moved us

to a even more segregated neighborhood

outside of Philadelphia called Levittown

Pennsylvania in Levittown was

deliberately segregated in Levittown

they loved it was a bigot and he made a

neighborhood that was just for the black

folks and was called Bloomsdale and

that’s where the black folks lived and

the black folks didn’t go where the

white folks lived and the white folks

didn’t go where the black folks live

that’s just how it was busing was a big

thing when I was a kid and so it was the

early 1970s who people started getting

bused to achieve racial integration and

so I was bused past one school it was

five minutes from my house to another

school that was a half hour from my

house to achieve racial integration my

black friends often remind me that the

only time we ever started talking about

busing is when white people started to

get bussed I think this is true with a

lot of things in this country we don’t

start talking about this stuff until it

happens to white people when I was a

senior in high school I had an

opportunity to take black history or

American history it was interesting to

me that they gave us an option of these

two things as if they were different

three of my white friends and I we took

black history and I again felt like

other in that classroom as one of the

few white kids in a class of all black

people but I felt welcome there I felt

at home I felt accepted I felt nurtured

I felt loved you see I grew up in a

house where language was big words were

big I grew up in a house where curse

words weren’t the regular curse words

George Carlin used to say that there are

seven words you shouldn’t say on

television

curse words in my house weren’t words

like the f-word I grew up in a house

where the F word was used all the time I

thought the F word had to be used in

every sentence I didn’t know I mean I I

loved looking out and seeing college

students because y’all have you say the

F word walking across campuses in all

your songs I feel like I’m at home when

I’m with you you know in my house curse

words were words like the N word

couldn’t say the N word in my house you

couldn’t say the B word of the C word

for women there were curse words for

every group the Italians had curse words

we couldn’t say those words you couldn’t

say the words that we say for gays

lesbians and bisexuals that you still

here use you couldn’t say those words in

my

house you’d be in trouble there are

curse words for people with disabilities

that still get used regularly we use the

R word like it’s nothing

we still call people with disabilities

invalids listen to the word we’re

calling people invalid these words were

powerful in my house and I grew up

learning that these are not words you

use those other ones be careful where

you use them but you can use them here I

also learned that a bigot is a bigot as

a bigot and so that if you hear somebody

saying the n-word when there’s no black

folks around or the B word of the C word

when there’s no women around you can bet

damn sure mark that they’re saying dirty

Jew when you’re not around you can bet

damn sure they’re calling kike when

you’re not around because a bigot is a

bigot is a bigot and so I grew up about

prejudice in a very different way than

most people when I got to college I I

wanted to study this thing about

prejudice because it confused the hell

out of me it really did it confuse me I

didn’t understand it I passed for weight

so I would hear prejudice all the time

so I read this book it was written in

1954 by a guy named Gordon Allport when

I first got to college and he talks

about a couple different things in this

book but but three that I’ll highlight

here he talks about the idea that

prejudice is normal it’s natural it’s

it’s to be accepted we’re gonna have

prejudice we’re gonna have stereotypes

because we can’t meet every one of any

certain group so you’re gonna have

stereotypes and Prejudice based on

certain things hell if I’m the first Jew

you ever saw you might think this is

what Jews are like and you know what

we’re kind of like this this is how we

look he says that many stereotypes are

based in kernels of truth they don’t

come from nowhere they come from

somewhere and he says not only is

prejudice between groups but prejudice

is also within certain groups groups

also have prejudice within them not just

between them now I know about this

because as a Jew when people would ask

me if I was Jewish I would apologize and

I would say well yes almost as as if I

felt bad about it which I did I say yes

I am but but my stepfather is Catholic

and it wasn’t so much later in my life

that I realized that being Catholic was

just as bad as being Jewish I didn’t

know as a little kid I wouldn’t let you

look at me from the side when I was in

school I would want to sit in a way that

you would never see me from my profile I

wasn’t

ashamed and scared that you would see

how Jewish I was when I got to graduate

school I studied this guy named Carl

Rogers and Carl Roger says that the

distance between who you are and who you

dream yourself to be the greater the gap

those two things are the more

psychologically impaired you probably

are so I started to apply this to

prejudice and I thought well I can’t

apply this to me because I’m not

prejudiced I grew up in a house where

you couldn’t say the n-word I grew up in

Houston didn’t have prejudice I learned

from my mother that a bigot is a bigot

is a bigot and then I realized oh no

mark until you can look at your own

prejudice and you can look at the fact

that you have pressures and you can

start to examine that like an alcoholic

or an addict has a problem with

addiction before they can do anything

about it I have to realize that I am

prejudiced and so I’m gonna stand here

I’m gonna say something you might sound

a little crazy I am a racist sexist

ageist classist homophobic heterosexist

able biased and lookest person and with

all due respect so are you so are you

and until you can admit it until we can

admit as a society we will not move

anywhere because in our culture what we

do is we keep trying to convince each

other how cool we are we say stupid

things like I don’t see color or all one

race or that all lives matter it’s crazy

talk I can’t stand here pretend I don’t

see your age I can’t pretend I don’t see

that your skin is black in – white I

can’t pretend that I can’t pretend that

I’ll notice some of your eyes are shaped

differently than mine I can’t pretend

that I’ll see your hair sometimes purple

I can’t pretend that I don’t see these

things and I can’t pretend that it

doesn’t impact our relationship because

it does and until we can come to grips

with recognizing that the way we see

each other just based on very limited

information impacts who we are and how

we like to relate to each other we will

do nothing about this problems we’ve got

to stop pretending that we don’t have

prejudice it’s absurd so I started do

some research to find out who’s done

work on this prejudice thing and I was

surprised as heck to find out that the

group that did some of the earliest

research on prejudice was the US

military because then they in before

World War two the US military has

separate barracks they had enlisted men

showers that were for white folks and

enlisted men showers there for colored

folks and they had barracks that were

separate and showers that were separate

and so what they did is they they did

sensitivity training to try and reduce

prey

so they put these people in a room and

they did this sensitivity training

something like what I’m talking to you

about right now sort of and what they

found out is that prejudice did not go

down it didn’t go down all the

sensitivity training in the world didn’t

decrease prejudice so finally they said

the hell with this you know what let’s

just move these dudes in with each other

let’s just move them all in together

guess what happened to prejudice it went

down it went down dramatically and then

researchers have to say what the heck

happened here how did prejudice go down

what did we do and so they found that

when they met for specific conditions

when people share intimate beliefs in an

atmosphere of cooperation and they are

equal status sanctioned by some

Authority when we do those things

prejudice almost always goes down it

almost always goes down so how do we

keep prejudice in our head how does it

stay in our head what happens to us so

I’m driving on a very nice day from Los

Angeles to San Diego with my two

favorite bigots my my biological father

and my stepmother you know the other

kind of bigots that are bigoted in a way

that they don’t um

they don’t they pretend they’re not

bigoted but they are they use all those

words when no one’s around but they tell

you how cool they are when they are

around and so on this day we’re driving

from Los Angeles San Diego and as we’re

driving down there and there’s a car

driving erratically sure enough my

stepmother leans over to my father when

she sees this car driving erratically

and she says I knew it and I mean

forward I say what is it that you knew

and she said never mind I’m probably not

supposed to say this to you and I said

my guess is you’re probably not supposed

to say this to anyone

but tell me anyhow so she told me she

said okay I’ll tell you I knew would be

an oriental driver now my first thought

was oriental refers to food and rugs not

people but I don’t correct her just yet

I am capable of that

she says you wouldn’t know you live in

Colorado there are no Orientals in

Colorado you wouldn’t know so I say

let’s do a survey we got two hours to

sit in the car I’d rather do this and

talk to you let’s do a survey from Los

Angeles to San Diego on this given day

let’s see how many Asian folks or

Pacific Islanders are bad drivers and we

find out on this given day Asian and

Pacific Islanders do not have a monopoly

on driving poorly we know who the worst

drivers are in this country we know

where they are they’re 16 to 17 year old

boys so how does my stepmother hold in

her head that Asian and Pacific

Islanders are the worst driver she holds

in her head the same way I hold it in my

head the same way you hold in your head

she has a file a file in her head that

says bad Asian driver so when she sees a

bad driver that’s not Asian no file when

she sees a bad driver that is Asian boom

she files it so what’s in your file

what’s in your file I have a file I will

file for black folks I have a file for

brown folks I have a file for

Republicans I have a file for people

from Nebraska okay I have now I have a

file and so do you and you need to look

at your file so I started to examine

like has anybody in current events done

anything that’s reduced prejudice or

showing the presence to be reduced by

meeting those four conditions and sure

enough I get online and I find this guy

named Darryl Davis and Darryl Davis has

a african-american musician who plays in

a white band and he ends up playing at

Ku Klux Klan rallies he stands around

and he talks to people and they share

intimate beliefs and that mystery of

cooperation and they’re of equal status

and Prejudice Goes Down and Darrell

Davis gave me permission to use this

photographs and you can read about them

online if you like Darrell Davis will go

to these places and talk to these folks

and Wilson Shave wrote a book called

women’s reality and in her book she says

that prejudice is like air pollution

when you’re in the air that stinks

really really bad for a really long time

you stopped smelling this think of the

air it’s just

we the air smells and so the air as a

white male heterosexual temporarily

able-bodied man is almost always – over

my black friends tell me that a place

feels racist when my women friends say

it doesn’t feel safe to walk through the

parking garage or their workplace feels

like there’s a creeper working there I

go like this I don’t smell that because

it’s not my air and so my job is to

smell the air when it stinks especially

when it doesn’t stink for me white

people I’m talking to you white male

heterosexual temporarily able-bodied

folks I’m talking to you smell dear when

it stinks especially when it doesn’t

sink for you so let’s bring this to a

close here okay I’ve been to the some of

the richest places on the planet and the

poorest places on the planet we all want

the same stuff we want a safe place to

sleep at night we want water to drink

that’s good for us we want clean air to

breathe we want our other kids of the

world to have a chance of the life we

might want health care we might want an

education and what we want to do is we

want to connect so in the 60s when I had

a Volkswagen Beetle we would ride by

other Volkswagen Beetles and we would do

this ask your parents young folks and it

felt good I had a Harley Davidson for 25

years and I don’t know if I like driving

the Harley as much as I like getting the

wave from other Harley riders I go to

football games and I’m a football fan

and I see people raise their hands and

everything all crap I don’t want to do

the frequent wave and everybody starts

doing the wave and then I start doing

the wave and I look across the stadium I

see that even the team I’m fighting

against is doing the wave you see we

want to connect the desire to connect is

great something’s in the way of that so

maybe if we smell the air when it stinks

when it doesn’t speak stink for us maybe

if we can come to grips with looking at

what’s in our file maybe if we can start

to look at the words we use and how

maybe then maybe then the divide that

you see in the United States in the

world right now maybe then we’ll

actually find out that we can all come

together and and fix this stuff that’s

going on right now Thanks

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