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Virtual reality as a tool for fighting addiction | Ken Stoner | TEDxOU


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so lawyers can be kind of geeky and I

got to confess that I get geeky about

big questions and big problems and

paradoxes like for example I’m a huge

fan of Thomas Jefferson Thomas Jefferson

was if you recall he was he was our

original he authored the Declaration of

Independence he led our country through

very difficult times he was a business

owner he was a deeply spiritual person

even wrote his own version of the Bible

he was wise he was intelligent and by

all accounts he was supremely ethical

but he had a blind spot when it came to

slavery

so does this diminish his greatness he

was a great man but I do think that

tarnishes him a little bit so I invite

you to enjoy me on a little thought

experiment think about how it is like

thinking about the future a hundred

years from now 200 years from now

what is it that we’re doing today that

our ancestors will judge us harshly for

think about this idea that I mean we’re

wives and we’re intelligent and we’re

smart yet there are things that we’re

doing today that will seem primitive to

our great-grandchildren so what when I

think about that the first thing that

comes to mind my mind is just this

ungodly amount of sugar that we feed

children but uh but that’s not what I’m

here to talk about I really do think

that we’ll be judged rather harshly

about how it is that we’ve Pete treat

people with the disease of addiction

because science is actually known for a

very long time that addiction is a

disease of the brain it interrupts an

addicts ability to make good choices and

make good decisions yet we generally

expect an addict who has a brain disease

to use that diseased brain to make

better choices

you know we accuse them of a lack of

willpower they don’t understand the

consequence of their actions

they wear their morals kind of loud you

know but we have healthy brains and what

we don’t really stop to think about what

is it where is it that this even

processed in the brain now as a

courthouse lawyer when I think about how

it is we treat addicts I think about it

through the frame of the criminal

justice system and the way we treat

addicts for a long time has been lock

them up now that’s been really the

dominant solution for probably 50 years

and you know it isn’t really working

very well now fortunately the science is

catching up we have some more are more

enlightened leaders and more in

forward-thinking leaders are innovating

and thinking of solutions but I really

think that we have a long way to go so

now and by the way I’m not I’m not

pointing the fingers anybody I I’m an

offender myself I started my legal

career as an assistant district attorney

and I am responsible for locking up many

many people with the disease of

addiction that probably would have been

better served in a therapeutic setting

but we didn’t know and by the way please

do not hear me say that I think we

should ignore people that break the law

or that we should somehow hand out free

passes it’s just we have to learn how to

respond in a different and better way so

when I was in the court house I handled

all the big cases that you’d see on the

media rapes robberies murders the kinds

of cases that give the public an

impression of what’s going on at the

courthouse but I’m tell you the media

really doesn’t scratch the surface of

what’s really going on and statistics do

not tell an accurate story well my

message to you is this the vast majority

of all criminal cases the underlying

issue is substance abuse alcoholism and

the disease of addiction my personal

beliefs is if we can solve the puzzle

that’s a disease of addiction we could

cut the crime rate by over 50% so that

today I represent

moms and dads sons and daughters people

that are suffering from the disease of

addiction they’re they’re remarkably

like us or normal people with normal mix

of good and bad they do tend to have a

quite a bit higher incidence of

childhood trauma but otherwise they’re

there they’re good people but they’re

trapped in a body and a damaged brain

that’s a version themselves but they

have profoundly profoundly damaged

brains now despite the fact that all I

mean the vast majority of criminal cases

that go before in the courthouse and the

lawyers and the judges the ones that are

tasked with you know solving you figure

out what’s right to do in this case have

zero training and addiction there’s no

training in law school for addiction yet

we’re the ones creating the dissolutions

it would be a little bit like what if

you went to a hospital to get cancer

treatment and know that doctors there

know anything about cancer well I think

you got cancer but I don’t never had any

formal training in cancer that’s kind of

what we’re facing I’m gonna tell you

this to you you can solve the criminal

problem but if you don’t solve the

underlying issue that got into the

courthouse to begin with it’s a

revolving door they’re just back again

probation violation a new case one step

closer to prison so now obviously not

every addict gets involved in the

criminal justice system I suspect most

down so the problem is actually much

larger than my small views which is the

court house last fall the US Surgeon

General did his report on addiction his

release last fall and came up with some

this is our first ever report on

addiction what they said there’s 66

million people that involved in binge

drinking in the last 30 days and 27

million people use illicit drugs or

misuse prescription drugs

that’s 93 million people now what is

that 93 million people what does that

look like that looks like if you were to

take every man woman and child in the in

the states in red that’s what that looks

like now I’m not suggesting that these

people are suffering from addiction

there they’re dancing with addiction

they’re dancing with

flirting with very high risk activity

but the Surgeon General says that people

that have that can be clinically

diagnosed that fit the criteria for

substance abuse disorder that actually

suffer from a brain disease of addiction

it’s 23 million people and if you would

plot it like this that’s every man woman

and child in this area has a disease of

the brain I mean this is this isn’t bad

water in Flint Michigan this is a

problem this is by any accounts it’s a

it’s an epidemic

so what’s going on before you can really

tackle addiction you have to understand

what’s going on that six inches between

your ears the addiction is always it’s

it’s a tension between these two areas

of the brain the prefrontal cortex this

guy right here prefrontal cortex that’s

the cool part that makes this human this

part down a little bit lower the nucleus

accumbens that’s the midbrain that’s a

more animalistic brain there’s a there’s

this tension always between the nucleus

accumbens and the prefrontal cortex

now the prefrontal cortex this is the

area that is the thinking brain this is

you know like apes are faster than us

and they’re stronger than us but because

of what this does for us we’re the

dominant species on this planet okay

this is goal-setting

this is executive function its

determining the difference being good

better and best

it’s where suppression of urges happen

now this other part of the brain this is

the more animalistic part of the brain

the midbrain this is the part that some

people call it a lizard brain it’s not

really as part of our subconscious it’s

not really a thinking part it’s more of

an instinctive part the little nucleus

accumbens I also call the pleasure

center and that’s that little structure

there has really kept our species alive

for about 200,000 years and what it

would do is that it helps the brain

obsess over things that would keep us

alive food water sex past the genetic

material of next generation and when it

does that by releasing dopamine whenever

it finds something it wants and and and

helps it focus and concentrate on that

but there are mood altering substances

that massively overstimulate this and

whenever you have a massively

overstimulated nucleus

company kiss accumbens takes over and it

literally cuts off the prefrontal cortex

from making a decision you literally

cannot think about what it is you you

know the answer you can talk to an

addict all day long they know the answer

they just can’t do it

it’s because this part of the structure

of the brain cuts it off and we all do

this every one of us we have this

dynamic tension between nucleus

accumbens and and the prefrontal cortex

so you know nooks accumbens or

prefrontal cortex will say I’m gonna

lose weight we’re gonna go a diet but by

the end of day you’ve had an ice cream

right prefrontal cortex says you know

I’m gonna get up and go work out at

seven o’clock and next thing you know

it’s really warm cozy in bed and you

don’t go it’s this we’re all doing it

it’s just not the disease of addiction

unless the nucleus accumbens takes over

so now what are the little things what

is the dopamine they do this with

dopamine by giving us these little

rewards so I want you to imagine like

your favorite meal your favorite meal

that you just have a great meal how does

that make you feel it makes you feel

good because you got a shot at dopamine

that’s about 50% more than normal your

dopamine level just went up that’s why

you do it

think about sex for a minute okay sex is

great you know why it’s great because

dopamine goes in your brain encouraging

you to do it it’s 200 I mean it doubles

them how to dopamine in your brain so

here’s what I’m suggesting

everybody in this room for the next year

go with let’s let’s all go on a diet any

only salad and there’s no sex for a year

no sex for you who’s in for that no we

want we want the dopamine right we’d

love that dopamine imagine what you just

felt like trying to give that up for a

year and opposed to somebody who’s has

the amount of heroin or methamphetamine

it’s it’s it’s five times harder than

giving up sex and none of us want to do

that so this is we know a little bit now

about what what’s going on in the brain

and what the problem is but the what are

one of the solutions I don’t really

know what all the solutions are but

there are some things that kind of

inform the way that I go about with Mike

working with my clients and one of them

there’s a fascinating series of

experiments that were done with recovery

and addictions called the rat part they

were done in the nineteen seventies and

you probably saw these first round of

experiments they would take a rat and

they put a rat in a cage and they were

given a choice between drug water and

regular water and a little rat in a cage

will do the drug water until it dies

proof addiction lock everybody up that

has that another researcher came along

and there’s a flaw with this experiment

I work with rats I know about rats rats

are highly social creatures they hate

being in small cages by themselves like

humans so he reworked the experiment he

created rat Park same experiment but

lots of room not one rat but many balls

tunnels little amusements part for rats

and this time he gave him a choice

between drug water and regular water and

guess what the vast majority of rats

never touched the drugged water didn’t

even use it didn’t want to use it only a

small number of rats used the drug water

and none of them music compulsively till

they died so because what they wanted to

do is they wanted to have like a little

rat fun with their little rat buddies in

rat Park okay they they want what we

want we want comfort and connection and

fun so when you think about how it is

that an attic how do they engage their

life you have to create a life that’s

full of fun and engagement and enjoy and

so but this got me thinking about I’m

back to this slide again sorry the so

the bad news of this 23 million this 23

million people only 10 percent treatment

and of the ones that get treatment only

about 40 to 50 percent of them stay

sober

a year later I mean 50 to 50 to 60

percent relapse and it’s even higher for

meth and heroin it’s the bane of

treatment relapses were why haven’t

clients they go to relapse are doing

great they come back and a couple months

later they relapse like what’s going on

you know what do you have

reason in the world to be sober what’s

going on so it got me very curious about

relapse prevention I wanted to do

something and really focus on what is it

that we can do in the area of relapse

prevention the conventional wisdom is

hey avoid your triggers and if you think

about what’s the reason for the relapse

there’s a lot of reasons for relapse but

one of them is encountering triggers in

your environment so what can you do well

I’ll tell you a story I have a client

he’s a very successful professional he

had an addiction to methamphetamine he’s

been sober now for well over a year he’s

doing really well but he bought into

this rat Park theory and we created a

life there was just things he loved to

do rebuilding the connections and the

fun and and you know the thing that he

loved more than anything he loved Kona

oh you football games I mean there’s

nothing better than college campus and

fall putting on your crimson sweater and

hanging out with like a hundred thousand

members of your tribe I mean that’s cool

the problem is that his trigger for use

for meth was beer does anybody been on

campus on a game day and had an urge to

have a beer right right this is

dangerous territory his rat Park is

dangerous you can’t avoid your triggers

there because you know what you can’t

get to this until you go through this

and this you know think about what if

your advice is many engage in your life

what if your I want you to imagine with

me for a minute you’re a recovering

addict and you’re trying to create a fun

and interesting life and you love sports

basketball football I don’t know what it

is but chances are it’s sponsored by a

beer a beer or a vodka what if you’re a

live music person it’s like music

anybody rent to the live music venue and

seeing drugs or alcohol there right you

know I think just avoid your triggers go

home go home until you turn on the

television even on social media I mean

you’re saturated with images of really

attractive people suggesting then the

good life is over here what you need is

a Heineken it hang out with a captain

right I mean what about this dude okay I

mean he who doesn’t want to be this guy

right

but I mean for I’m telling you for for

millions of people with the disease of

addiction this is the beginning of a

life of destruction so so what do you do

really avoiding your triggers isn’t

always possible there there so I’ve got

to think about how it is that we explore

a way to help people suffering with

addiction and avoid relapse and maybe

what we could do is engage that midbrain

in some way engage the midbrain

but then retrain it get it to think

about instead of maybe avoiding your

triggers is there a way to encounter

your triggers in real life so I started

looking at different disciplines and

discovered of be a hospital that was

treating burn patients with virtual

reality for a pain management tool

virtual burn patients are in a lot of

pain they have this excruciating ly

painful treatments daily whether if

their skin feels hot and raw and what

they figured out is they can actually

take a virtual reality and put a burn

patient in it and have them simulate

what it’s like to walk through a winter

landscape literally you feel like it

looks like you’re walking through snow

there’s ice on the trees you can see the

snow falling and all of a sudden their

pain level goes remarkably powerful tool

virtual reality right now the emphasis

has been on entertainment but I think

you’re gonna see a lot of therapeutic

uses coming I’m about to show you this

is my missus my 16 year old son the

first time ever he put on the VR and he

was watching a very short little

so that shows you a couple things one

there’s the power of virtual reality it

can really just take the brain it’s

completely different place but that’s

also the midbrain at work there I mean

he knows his prefrontal cortex notice

where it is he knows he’s like on a

piece of plastic on its head watching a

little image but it’s it’s a very

powerful tool now for the first time

what we can do is we can simulate what

it’s like for an addict to be in a

target-rich environment where they have

where they have cravings and have them

experience what it feels like to

actually get a craving what it’s like

did you experience like walking through

campus corner holding a beer or go into

a New Year’s Eve celebration or you know

sporting events sporting events the the

right now with this technology that

we’re pairing with a kind of a

mindfulness technique a meditation

technique called surfing the urge so the

conventional wisdom is distract yourself

this is different its focus on your urge

experience it get comfortable being

uncomfortable temporarily watch what

goes on in the body and you’ll notice

the urges come and they go and you’re

going to be okay so we’ve started a

technology company to develop this

technology and right now we’re building

out a library of video simulations that

simulate triggers that we can reproduce

in a therapeutic setting in a safe

environment and we really are optimistic

this will be an effective tool for

relapse prevention thank you [Applause]

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