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The Secret to Understanding Humans | Larry C. Rosen | TEDxsalinas


is it possible to understand everyone

that a deep and meaningful level to get

what really matters the people no matter

how different they are from you that

proposition sounds a little absurd after

all human psychology is really complex

some people are abused as children

others are loved and supported the brain

of an 18 year old girl who sleeps with

her cell phone is different than an 80

year old man who can’t remember the

names of his children there’s no one way

to understand everyone no broad

operating principle that’s the

conventional wisdom it makes perfect

sense and yet it’s a myth a few years

ago I was watching TV scenes from

Afghanistan a group of teenage boys was

standing in the back of a dusty pick up

waving rifles and one boy wrapped in a

white cloth with dazzling blue-green

eyes was staring directly into the

camera

he looked intent menacing and that was

the point of the piece we should be

afraid because young men were passionate

about killing Americans let me tell you

about another boy my nephew Rory at the

time I saw this piece Rory was a

freshman in college at Harvard but

Rory’s not full of himself in a word

he’s sweet he’s not a hugger but he’ll

always hug me because he knows that I am

he bakes brownies with his young cousins

he wants to be a doctor one day I’m

proud of Rory and I can’t imagine a kid

more different than that one from

Afghanistan except at a fundamental

level these two boys are exactly the

same they’ve chosen their respective

paths join the Taliban go to Harvard for

the same internal reasons they both

would like respect everyone knows that

when you go to Harvard people look up to

you

for the rest of your life and when you

join the Taliban little kids look on and

on as you drive by in that dusty vehicle

they also want community belonging

Rory’s got close friends the men of

Harvard but no closer I bet than the men

of the Taliban and lastly and probably

most important to both they want to make

a difference in their worlds they want

to help those they love what’s amazing

and horrifying is that one will learn to

be a doctor and the other will learn to

kill it’s true that human behavior is

amazingly varied and complex but at the

level of motivation at the level of what

drives us to do all those different

things

we’re actually identical there’s a

formula for understanding why we do what

we do and once you get it you get it

there are 30 basic human motivations let

me give you a quick primer there’s the

obvious the physical we want to survive

we need air food and water there’s a

second category of relational needs that

help us understand how to balance our

self-interest and that of the community

we all want to receive care

understanding love but at the same time

we want to give our love to help others

in our lives then there’s a third

category of needs you’d call

aspirational or spiritual we want to

grow we all crave adventure and beauty

I’m not going to go through the whole

list because everything on the list

you’re already familiar with but don’t

then mistake this for that old high

school sociology lesson where the

teacher says human beings have needs if

they’re not fulfilled unhappiness and

war that’s all true but I’m not here to

make that macro sociological point I’m

here to help you understand the micro

the human individual in any given moment

what drives your mother you

spouse your boss human behavior no

matter how seemingly bizarre or mundane

is designed internally to fulfill one or

some of the common needs if you want to

understand what really matters to a

person at the level of deep motivation

ask which of the common needs

have they been pursuing here’s a story

for my personal life my wife Shelly

sometimes gets upset with me for not

cleaning the dishes to her exacting

standard I can see her there as I’m

cleaning over my left shoulder

pretending to read the mail watching me

now I could easily conclude that’s a

but these brilliant observations don’t

get me very far if I want to understand

my wife and I do I ask a basic question

what needs are driving her Shelly is a

busy woman

she teaches high school full time she

drives our kids everywhere she calls my

mom to say hi and I love you excuse me I

got a little motion yep she calls my mom

to say hi and I love you clean dishes

neatly stacked and put away the fill in

her the common needs for order and rest

finally some peace of mind

and there’s one more huge need

motivating her dishwash spine when I

leave stuff on the dishes like that big

piece of vermicelli hanging off the back

that’s so super obvious to her after she

said Larry do a good job this time this

time please do a good job she concludes

I don’t care about her if you want to

understand everyone including Shelly the

outside world matters to us only because

we’re trying to fulfill needs internally

she doesn’t really care about clean

dishes at depth she like everyone else

wants respect to be loved human behavior

is complex but human motivation is

actually simple we seek these common

needs and nothing else

now I didn’t myself discover that common

needs Drive human behavior the idea was

proposed around 50 years ago by the

psychologist Carl Rogers and then

further developed by the extraordinary

peacemaker Marshall Rosenberg I came

across their concepts around 15 years

ago and they made good sense to me so I

began to implement them in my personal

life to decode family and friends and I

was understanding people I was intrigued

but I was also skeptical

I asked Marshall Rosenberg why 30 needs

and not seven

fifty-five and he said oh it could be 30

or 755 they need to survive for example

could be further broken down into the

needs to not walk off a cliff or to not

be eaten by predators there is just a

useful level of aggregation I thought

okay that’s a good answer but what about

this Marshall what are needs from a

neurological perspective what’s

happening in the brain how do they

actually motivate us and here Marshall

said oh that’s simple needs our

lifeforce human life force and I thought

whoa that’s not science at all and so I

spent the next two years

meeting with neuropsychologists and

speaking with evolutionary biologists

and reading cognitive journals with

footnotes and I eventually concluded

this need stuff is grounded in solid

science and because research shows that

if you mentioned the word neuroscience

or brain in a big talk it’s a thousand

times more likely to go viral let me say

this is neuroscience brain science neuro

and brain neuro brain now I’m not a

scientist

I’m a lawyer a mediator and a writer but

being a layperson has allowed me to

unravel the science to translate it away

from chemicals like oxytocin and

dopamine and into what I believe is a

useful narrative and so here’s what I

believe is going on in the human brain

with needs the human unconscious

evaluates the world telling us whether

it’s dangerous or friendly that’s its

job once it reaches its conclusion it’s

got to motivate the whole system

including the conscious mind to do

something about it how if it concludes

that the world’s dangerous we naturally

feel fear or anxiety we try to get less

of what caused it if it concludes the

world is friendly we naturally feel

happy or excited and we try to get more

but

and this is the key how does the

unconscious determine what’s dangerous

and what’s friendly it’s not just left

up to each of us individually rather the

criteria upon which we evaluate the

world is born into you and born into me

and born into all of us those are the

human needs those specific criteria were

honed through evolution because they

allow us to survive to relate to other

people and ultimately to make more

people am i being respected am i making

a contribution in the world does she

think I’m cute

if so pleasure get more of that if not

pain

change the world it took me several

years to unravel the science in a way

that made narrative sense to me

and yet in that time I actually stopped

caring so much about what was happening

in the brain I was using this and

understanding people in a way that I

didn’t think was possible I was seeing

their hearts it worked and really that’s

what counts

I’d like to tie this together with a

with a story as I said I’m a mediator

when people are at war they they come to

me and I help them work it out not too

long ago I was visited by a couple that

had already been divorced the ex-wife

Sofia said a precious object had gone

missing

what was it Sophia had never met her

father and her mother died when she was

a little girl she was raised by her

grandmother and in her grandmother’s

house hung this large painting painted

by Sophia’s grandmother of Sophia’s

mother Sophia used to look at this

painting when she was a little girl and

imagined herself holding her mom’s hand

and kissing her mom’s cheek Sophia’s

grandmother the painter died a few weeks

before the mediation and in her final

hours she signed the picture Sophia

described this with tears

and finally look to her ex-husband and

she said Frank took the picture

Frank when are you going to stop trying

to punish me for the affair I looked the

guy and his face was cold as stone and I

thought whoa people come to see me

because I can help solve their problems

but I’m kind of a one-trick pony

the thing is I have this excellent trick

I can help them understand each other’s

hidden motivations and I knew something

that Sophia didn’t Frank wasn’t trying

to punish her people often think revenge

is a human motive but hurting another

person is not a human need now how do I

know well here’s a trick I developed a

few years ago that I find very useful if

you ever think that somebody is

motivated by something that doesn’t

personally give you pleasure you

actually haven’t found their motivation

go deeper I don’t get pleasure from

hurting other people if it’s not in me

it’s not a common need and if it’s not a

common need it’s not a human motivation

go deeper revenge is pursued to fulfill

another need but what it varies but very

often it’s a need for understanding if I

hurt you you will understand at the

level of personal pain at the level of

intense personal suffering what you did

to me you’ll finally get it this wasn’t

the case for Frank my theory that he had

taken the picture in order to be

understood for the pain of the affair

was wrong I often guess wrong but that I

was guessing and without blame convinced

him to share something else

his eyes welled with tears and he looked

over at his ex-wife Sophia and he said

so she had become my grandmother too she

was all that I had you were all that I

had Frank was an orphan too just like

Sophia he took the paint

to fulfill a common human need of

connection hurting Sophia was never the

point

Sophia moved next to Frank on the couch

and she wrapped her arms around him and

they sobbed together for ten minutes and

I cried too ten minutes

what was I going to do Frank ultimately

returned the painting to Sophia and she

dug up a trove of old photos of Frank

with her grandmother so that he could

remember his family understand what

happened here we didn’t make the common

an easy mistake thinking that revenge is

a motive instead we went to the source

of all human motivation to the common

needs when Sophia understood that Frank

had simply needed connection human

connection and in particular to her

grandmother she got it she could feel it

and then the magic and then solutions

now many people including some of this

audience are wary of understanding

others and especially during conflict

the thought goes like this if I

understand the reasons you did what you

did I’m basically saying you were

justified understanding seems like

condoning and for this reason people

often say don’t go inside the mind of a

terrorist don’t get them to get a

terrorist is too legitimate terrorism

it’s the be an apologist and for this

reason it was suggested to me that I

dropped from my talk the piece about the

Taliban teenager because then people

might think I condone terrorism let me

make something perfectly clear

understanding reasons is different than

condoning I’ve learned through thousands

of mediations understanding is a power

to shape the world far greater than any

sword or gone understanding is exactly

how you create the world that you want I

began this talk asking is it possible to

understand every

a deep and meaningful level even those

that are different from you and the

asks you for that hair straightener and

just one week after you bought her that

hair crimper and she’s standing at the

top of the stairs with this crazy

crimped hair screaming you just don’t

understand this is how you understand

what is she needed she wants to be

accepted liked the desire to be accepted

to be liked is in you is in me is in

everyone in this audience and so you can

understand exactly what she feels and

that alone will transform your

relationship and then come the solutions

even if it’s only I see you my beautiful

little girl I get you there’s a formula

for understanding why we do what we do

and once you get it you get it human

behavior is complex but human motivation

is simple we seek the common needs and

nothing else we seek the common needs

and nothing else the common needs are

human motivation learn this language of

the unconscious this language of the

heart and you’ll improve every

you

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