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The interdependence of the Arts and Sciences | Padmanabh Pandit | TEDxManipalUniversity


okay hi so I can’t see a lot of you but

how many of you here had a science

background you know like took science in

11th grade 12th grade almost all of you

and how many of you indulgence a music

or dance or writing some sort of art

that’s a large number some of you will

relate thank you so much

there’s not much there anyway so I’m not

gonna talk about myself primarily

because there’s not much I’m gonna talk

we talked to you about a friend of mine

I’m going to start with the story so I

have a friend he graduated from this

College IT and you know he was your 7

pointer student trying to maintain his

grades go to class pass his classes all

of that sounds like your average student

right not really see this boy could

write and he could write really well he

also had a knack of asking questions

sometimes the right one sometimes the

wrong ones mostly the wrong ones but he

did this he liked what he did and he

went on he wrote he wrote for people he

wrote for media organizations he became

the editor-in-chief of one the founding

editor of another and so fun so forth

and today he studying journalism at the

New York University full scholarship

where he was offered the same course by

almost all Ivy League colleges well I’m

going to talk about this because of one

thing okay think India remains to be the

largest producer of Engineers across the

world its 2017 and we still have that

fact with us now see this started back

in 1947 when you know the country was in

a state of rebuilding so we needed

engineers we needed scientists we needed

roads we need two dams there’s so much

we needed to set up some infrastructure

but today when aesthetics is already

proven its role in you know how

consumers a society we are do we really

not see that there is no lies in the

number of art graduates across the

country that is something that we need

to question now you see the reason for

this is because even though the world

has moved forward we are still stuck

here

we have okay for example the way I asked

you with this question

there are people who are photographers

who are engineers there are musicians

who are engineers there are actors who

are engineers we have had an RBA

governor who was an engineer we have

even had a president who was an engineer

and I’m gonna quote John Lennon I’m

gonna just say this word imagine now

imagine if these people could have done

you know if these people could have

studied whatever they’d like to whatever

they did later from day one how good

they could have been just imagine for a

second and why haven’t they well that’s

primarily because as a society we have

placed so much emphasis on the sciences

and commerce for that matter that we’ve

failed to realize the importance of Arts

in the indian education system you see

in India at least majority of middle

class India we go by very specific

demarcations we have Marx we have

creates we have GPS and we decide that

the brightest takes science the next

once the tape comes the ones who are

left behind the get ours in India

there’s an opinion which says that you

don’t take arts you get it when there is

nowhere else to go right and that is the

that is the exact opinion that we need

to change today okay there was this joke

okay this one time I was in Facebook and

I read this that in India you can be

three things you can be a doctor an

engineer or it is Greece and however

funny that might be it still makes you

think right like in a society where we

encourage to make in India we still rely

heavily on our inputs we import product

design we import movie inspirations for

that matter we import so much that it’s

so it’s only been like five years that

we actually started you know taking a

look back into our own culture and

realizing what is wrong and the reason

for this is that there is a stigma

attached to being an artist because

first of all we need to get rid of the

stigma because science named Malika is

not an appropriate response to somebody

telling you they hacks and they had an

arts education in high school right and

what this is the other one thing okay

I’m gonna ask you a question

think of an artist close your eyes and

think of an artist what is that one

image that comes to your mind and you

know some of you most of you will think

of somebody who has

long and kam care and like a beard and

you know lives in a house alone with

probably battling depression addicted to

alcohol all of these things you know

poor all of that ever question why

because that’s what we think artists

earth hobos or people with no aim in

life more importantly that’s what we

think unsuccessful people look like we

equate unsuccessful people with artists

and that is the idea that we need to

change right

you see image of unsuccessful is a

concept that we’ve got on as a society

and that is that one thing that we need

to question that is the one thing we

need to change not all artists sound

successful obviously and there is this

rigid bias towards the arts and you know

it’s understandable because we are very

practical country we are a middle-class

third-world country and we think of arts

as beauty and aesthetics and we think of

science as utility and while these are

very fair generalizations to make it’s

very rare to find ideas that you know

that are so far apart that they can’t be

converged into something which is much

greater okay and since a lot of you will

not agree with what I’m saying I’m gonna

give you an example

this man is Leonardo da Vinci he was a

painter an artist an inventor engineer

and so much more right and this is one

of his most famous works it’s called the

Vitruvian Man it basically shows a man

overly in with the two images of the

same man one with his limbs outstretched

inscribed in a circle and a square and

you know with demarkation and everything

now why is this important because

Leonardo da Vinci was an inventor who

made art into a science he cut up bodies

just to study Anatomy he was somebody

who included his study of proportion and

mathematics and you know he just took it

all together to create art this is where

he quantified the then-popular units of

measurement the cubit the pace the palm

the foot which today’s world is

analogous to the meter or the inch right

here’s a man who made an omni doctor a

plane which flies like a bird has a man

who made

the first working model of wrote a

parachute prototype of the helicopter

and so much more why because he took

arts he took the sciences

he took engineering he took physics he

took mathematics he took Anatomy he took

whatever he could he learned and then

put it all together to create things

that was so beautiful today we can only

stare at them and wonder right okay I’m

gonna talk about another Italian man now

but this one is more recent his name is

Dominic over chin Anza and that’s a

funny name but what he does is cool it’s

really cool

so he works with the an organization

called Dante which is the delivery of

advance network technology to Europe or

something now what’s cool about him is

that he’s a he holds a PhD in particle

physics he also is a trained classical

composer and these these sound very

different right he works with large data

he works with NASA he’s worked on the

Voyager one the Voyager 2 his work with

Sun on the Large Hadron Collider his

work with meteorological departments

across the world and what he does is his

job is to find anomalies in that data

all of this data at least most of it is

very repetitive it has a certain pattern

to it because you get the same data over

and over again it’s very difficult to

find that one mistake right so what he

does is he creates a musical scroll out

of it it’s like a movie soundtrack

because he says and I’m gonna quote him

now it’s very difficult to find that one

mistake in a graph but that same one

mistake can be found very easily fits in

a melody right so he’s a man who took

music who took physics put it together

to solve problems and that’s why all of

us are here today to solve a problem

right okay some of you still look

slightly unconvinced I’m going to try

again poetry poetry is an acceptable art

form yeah

now poetry in general is judged by the

metre that it possesses or to

oversimplify it it’s the number of

syllables in each line right it’s the

balance that it possesses

if you look at most classical

architecture the beauty of that

architecture lies in the fact that it is

symmetric about say you know it has

either is symmetric all has elements of

symmetry or as designed in such a way

that it looks

aesthetically pleasing and again music

music has beats music has rhythm music

has repetition that are pleasing to the

eye you know where else we find balance

symmetry unity and all these principles

machines okay take a look at this this

is a perfectly symmetric balance machine

airplanes need to be balanced engines

need to be symmetric buildings need to

be to be stable a building needs to be

you know symmetric about an axis we

forget that engineering requires design

– you know the principles of balance

unity all of these principles apply just

as much to the sciences as they to the

arts and as we dig deeper we find out

that it’s always connected ok think

about cinema now cinema is something

that I love because I believe it’s one

of the purest art forms there is there

is so much to see there is so much to

hear there’s so much to imagine to take

in right it’s an experience can you

create that cinema without technology

can you create that art without

technology from the most complex of

cameras to computers to the simplest of

things like a light or your remote you

need technology and this can be said for

almost all of modern art to make a

digital impact you need the help of

technology today ok you know when you

say make a shape on even by a PowerPoint

or when you make a drum beat on a music

production software what we fail to

realize is through made that one shape

there was at least a 20 to 30 lines of

code written to get that one beat right

there was so much physics and math put

into it that we have all overlooked

there’s another thing which you know

just gets me really angry we have as

Indian engineers as Indian software

engineers we have worked everywhere we

have created softwares we have created

almost all possible kinds of software

but when it comes to Indian software’s

we have created things that can compete

with say Microsoft Office we have

created things which can compete with

say AutoCAD or you know utility

softwares we are yet to create something

that can compete with the Adobe Creative

Suite

we are yet to create something that can

compete with say FL studio’ or any music

production software for that matter I

just know the one so you see what

happens is art and Sciences they’re

intertwined and it’s not like arc

downplays science or science undermines

arts they work in tandem they work in

balance they balance each other out

there’s this German scientist okay some

of you might heard of him Einstein was

his name now this guy he once said that

after a certain level of technical skill

is achieved Arts and Sciences they

condense plasticity in form because

almost all great scientists can be

considered greatest artists and since we

have talked a lot about this this was

I’m going to talk about something else

now I’m going to ask you another

question what comes first practice or

principle okay so sorry I think I’ve not

made myself clear okay think about it do

you write down a certain statement do

you write down an equation or do you go

back observe it do I need to stop okay

so do you do you write down a statement

do you get to an equation first or do

you first observe it happen do you first

take those values do you first quantify

the entire thing

I mean gravity existed before Newton

discovered it it’s not like he invented

it right so in nature we’ve always seen

see the thing is we need to observe

before we quantify we need to observe in

labs we need to observe in nature to

realize that science or you know and a

decision or a technology needs to be

first practiced before it’s converted

into a principle right and what happens

is we need to question it we need to

question the status quo what happens is

today in schools we taught that you know

there is there are certain set of

questions there is a singular way to

approach them and this is how

step-by-step you will get to the answer

how about you questioned see arts or the

humanities give you that mindset to

question it to be skeptical about it to

think about it in a different way to

creatively dissect the solution because

to arrive to

solution you need to design a solution

right now what is important today is how

we question it because the questioning

has always been better for both the

sciences and the arts

Copernicus questioned the model of the

solar system the litleo question the

model of the Flat Earth and both of them

over time however they were stoned to

death but you know over time this was

proved that they were right and how did

it happen because they questioned it

okay I’m going to show you something

else now this okay most of you can see

this red red dots blue dots green or

yellow dots white dots this is your

current Indian education system you have

the science you have commerce you have

arts you have say liberal arts whatever

you want that you can break it down into

more things how about I take one from

the top and put it there and you know

it’s something like this looks weird

looks slightly a facade some of you

can’t even make the difference out how

about I do this how about I do this now

there’s a pattern there you all see the

pattern you all understand that there is

two things existing together there is a

coexistence because that’s what we need

to address right we need to move from

this lateral focus towards one field and

we need to move to a more inclusive more

diverse a more holistic idea of

Education right okay for example in a

university what we some of us like some

universities already do it especially

engineering colleges excuse me

especially engineering colleges you need

to include the concept of minors because

they a mechanical engineer a major in

mechanical engineer is also a minor in

music theory he can create he can take

the principles of both of them and

create a musical instrument a

communication desireth so an IT engineer

also takes up communication design so

whatever he codes whatever he puts in

screen also looks good on screen right

Industrial Design is a field untapped

and what happens is after all of this

when we go back we will listen to this

we’ll forget about it but what we really

need to do today is demolish an ideology

demolish the ideology that you’re mark

somehow

indicative of your intelligence because

you see what we need to understand is

that just because a child cannot solve a

math equation doesn’t mean it’s not

intelligent because intelligence is not

solving equations at solving problems

and even though a math major may not be

good every good good at math they are

both solving problems in their own way

and that is what we need to understand

right we need to question we need to

rethink our ideologies and today if you

go down if you go back then I would just

like to take I would like you to take

back this one thing it’s a question of

where do we want to go as a nation let’s

talk about on a bigger scale here do we

want to be a generation do we want to

have a generation of people who are

frustrated will we spend four to six

years of their life doing something they

don’t want and then move into something

more productive or do we want to break

away from this mediocrity do we want to

you know make a generation full of

people who are so passionate about what

they do that they’d work wonders and you

don’t think about it it’s its overall

development of you the people around you

the society the nation just scale it up

I’m gonna end it with just one statement

right arts and sciences they’ve always

been intertwined they’ll always be

intertwined and if you consider

otherwise or if you want to convince

somebody otherwise it’s nothing but

create disrespect to both the fields thank you

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