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The Importance of Failing (Successfully) | Gus Grievel | TEDxCSM


alright at a high level there’s an

inside joke there for some of my

students at a high level this is a

largely extemporaneous talk guided by a

handful of PowerPoint slides on a

lighter note hopefully it’s 12 to 15

minutes that addresses the really

important things you should be thinking

about for the next four to forty years

of your life so hopefully I haven’t set

the bar too high for myself so what I’d

really like to do is talk about a few

big educational ideas and do so through

the lens of some experimentation a

colleague of mine Scott strong and I

have been doing on some of the people in

the room students so some of the ideas

I’d like to address the idea of a growth

versus a fixed mindset so there actually

are quite a few really good TED talks

that have to do specifically with the

idea of a growth mindset this is the

idea that we can keep on learning we can

keep on improving or intelligence or

ability is not a fixed quantity but that

it can emerge and evolve and grow

throughout time the contrast of that

would be a fixed mindset the idea that

those are fixed characteristics I will

never be smarter tomorrow than I am

today and I will never have more

capabilities than I do today and those

are actually very restrictive ways to

think if one wants to be successful in

life there’s also the idea that as

engineering students as stem students

there really is room for some sort of

creative exploration although i would

say parenthetically it probably ought to

be guided otherwise chemistry labs will

be blowing up all over campuses and then

fundamentally what i really want to

focus my talk on is the power and the

importance of failure and this actually

ties in very tightly with the idea of a

when we look at a at least when Scott

and I were looking at our perceptions of

students our fear was that our students

may be tended to have a fixed mindset a

fear of failure and they were

risk-averse we couldn’t get creative

stuff out of them to the extent that we

wanted to and so we actually built a

slightly different paradigm that I’ll

get to in a few slides so the big

question i would start this off with is

from the students experiment experience

and i have to go back a while from to

draw in mind but my perception is these

ideas are formally discussed largely in

something like a freshman success

seminar that we have on campus here you

guys may or may not remember this but

you discuss these ideas and refreshment

success seminar that said it’s a one

half credit hour class that unless

you’re really not contributing to it

you’re going to get an A in so it

doesn’t have your undivided attention

your first term here next question how

do we reinforce these throughout the

curriculum I think we’re doing a better

job of this now than 25 years ago when I

was a student but my answer would be

this was not reinforced at all except

maybe accidentally by an exceptional

faculty member or two along the way this

talk hopefully we’ll explore well

definitely will explore some of my

thoughts and hopefully some of your

thoughts and I’m going to try to model

this and we know embody it and a few

quotes and silly gifts and this is a

thanks in no small part to my

collaborator Scott strong who I don’t

know has encouraged me to do the

following thing just to kind of mess

with students heads a little bit on

every assignment there is a quote that

quote may or may not have anything to do

whatsoever with the assignment these

quotes are drawn from great scientist

great mathematicians rappers books

literature movies you name it I think we

quoted the dude on an exam last semester

and then the silly gifts are well I had

to put the E in the tea into the TED

talk for those of you not aware this is

technology education not education

entertainment and design I’ll try not to

educate you silly gift first quote okay

what is experience experience is usually

what you get when you don’t get what you

wanted and it’s often the case that

experience is the most valuable thing

you have to offer so quote from randy

pausch his last lecture okay in addition

to watching TED Talks this is definitely

something worth watching on the internet

I would encourage you to do it why did I

choose this quote why did I choose this

gif if you focus on this image third guy

from the left pops right back up my

guess as somebody who’s fallen over on a

bike a handful of times is this is the

person that’s maybe experience this the

most and I suspect won the event okay so

how does this tie into my talk well

experience is what we want to give you

through the academic through the

intellectual growth process here and I’d

like to explore what kind of the

standard is that again at a high level

for learning objectives in STEM

education in the current age of course

there’s a certain knowledge base we

expect to expose all of our students to

we would like our students to be able to

extend and apply this knowledge in new

and innovative ways we’d like you all to

be able to communicate across

disciplines and across teams to solve

actual real-world meaningful problems

and we would like to instill in our

students a resilience and a curiosity

that leads towards lifelong learning and

an ability to persist through difficulty

because as it turns out stem is neither

static nor easy I think I think it’s

fair to say we’ve all experienced this

okay so those are the big high level

objectives next quote it’s a mistake to

think that you can solve any major

problem with just potatoes I found a

related gift somehow all right so our

problem is those objectives I just

listed those are highly aspirational and

non-trivial objectives how do we meet

those well what I’d like to do is kind

of start off by exploring the

traditional undergraduate experience in

stem what does this look like to you

guys it’s very very deep in disciplinary

content that’s delivered by experts with

an emphasis on procedural expertise in

John’s talk that big block in the middle

was all that these are all the facts you

have to know these are the formulas you

have to be able to apply and by God be

able to apply them well and here’s a

thousand problems to practice on there

are a lot of lectures their labs that

instill this this body have fixed this

fixed body of knowledge that is deeply

rooted in the past and necessarily so

right when Einstein are nine standing

when Newton said he was standing on the

shoulders of giants he was referring to

everybody that had laid the foundation

for him to develop the springboard into

physics and mathematics as we know it

now so we have to pay attention to the

past but our lectures and our activities

and classes tend to focus a lot more on

the past than in the future okay in

terms of how we judge and assess you

there’s a heavy emphasis on retention

and repetition of facts and on

competition on competency am i reading

the room okay is that a fair statement

okay I would say a DA from my

perspective this is a pretty low risk

thing for an instructor to do and for an

institution to do to deliver the

academic content in this manner however

I have to ask the question are we trying

to solve a major problem which is

potatoes

and I said and I’ve come to the

conclusion that yes we have alright

quote number three to hell with

circumstances I create opportunities

this should have special meaning to my

knowledge we’ve stopped calling the math

problems this semester we’re calling

them mathematical opportunities this is

also one of the best videos you’ll find

on the internet Bruce Lee is playing

ping-pong with his num drugs you should

all practice this at home okay so really

quickly just a short history of me as an

educator I am under a time limit so I

can’t brag about myself too much okay so

a couple things I started as an educator

at this institution as an instructional

faculty member when I was 24 I’m 47

today this is my 23rd year of this okay

I’ve been doing this a long time as a 24

year old I made a really key discovery

in the classroom you guys are smart and

if I expect a lot of you more often than

not I didn’t walk away disappointed John

might be cringing at the triple negative

i just used in that sentence so

philosophically I think students have a

tremendous amount of potential and I

think we often undervalue the existence

of that potential okay I will also say

that the traditional approach the

potatoes approach I excel at okay I

don’t mean that to be boastful it’s i

love the mathematics that I get to teach

students here I love that the students

are engaged in it that passion comes

across I can engage a room of 40 or 80

students in a lecture and I can do it

well and I can train them up on all the

little computational intricacies and I

can give them exams till they’re blue in

the face and they can do well on them

and as an educator for the

15 years I was doing this I got

increasingly good feedback for just that

approach in fact the last handful of

semesters that I really did everything

the traditional way I was often getting

perfect exact evaluations from my

students at the end of the semester

that’s 40 out of 40 students in a class

saying this was outstanding and I had to

ask myself is that good enough and this

is the answer I would like you to give

me if I’m giving you feedback like your

outstanding every week if I ask you is

that good enough probably not okay maybe

there’s some more potential there so

this led me to trying something

different and this gets me into really

the key components of this talk Scott

strong other colleagues and I would talk

all the time it just so happened that

Scott and I ended up landing a grant to

explore some of these conversations we

would sometimes have over coffee or beer

and we’d often discuss the fact that our

students are really good and they really

like what we’re doing when we do this

traditional approach to educating them

but we weren’t quite sure that we were

doing a total service to our students we

were maybe ignoring some of those things

that were the high level objectives for

how we educate engineering and stem

students and specifically we discuss a

lot the idea that you guys come in here

and your math is sound there are little

things that maybe are carryovers from

something goofy that happened in a high

school algebra class but you remediate

you figure it out you do really well

it’s almost impossible for us to break

freshmen and mathematics that’s my

perspective you guys might feel like we

try to break you quite often but I think

you’re good um what we don’t necessarily

do is help you become better learners

beyond just our class and so what Scott

and I decided to do and it was supported

in large part by

successfully writing a grant and getting

support and really leverage to convince

our department head that it’s okay for

us to do something crazy was to rather

than focus entirely on mathematics in

our freshman honors calculus 3 class

this is a class for students that come

in they’re placed out of two semesters

of calculus already in order to get

there they have either taken calculus in

concurrent enrollment in another

university or cooked to your school or

they got the highest possible score on

the hardest possible AP math exam we

can’t break those mathematically so this

is from our perspective a low risk pool

of students to experiment on so here’s

the big idea let’s try something very

different and the different thing we

decided to try was okay these students

have done very well in every math test

they’ve ever taken some of you are in

the room right now you’ve done very well

in every math test you’ve ever taken

ninety-five percent is a disappointment

we come in day one and we said we don’t

care we’re not going to judge you that

much on how well you do your mathematics

in this class instead we’re going to

judge you on how well you think about

your mathematics and communicate that to

us a little bit of a paradigm change

okay so we created a studio environment

that focused on often problem sets that

weren’t even possible and we turn

students loose in groups and we saw what

they would do with it and we told our

TAS judge them harshly if they don’t

organize their thoughts well or

demonstrate reflective practice okay so

what could go wrong with it with an

approach like this well there was some

student pushback particularly in year

one I think it was better this year so

we’ve been doing this for a couple of

years there were disastrous assignments

Joshua in the front row was nodding his

head as i was talking about impossible

problems sometimes we just throw an idea

on the page and see what students do

with it this is not something you

typically do with freshmen you do it

with grad students but we thought why

not try I would also say I had a handful

of colleagues that told me I was just

flat crazy i buy extra contact time with

students

my evaluations are going to go to an

there’s just there’s no good that can

come of this the flip side of that is

what could possibly go right so the

students that engaged in this we asked

them to keep journals we asked them to

write reflectively we asked them to do

even when we give them practice problems

do those reflectively let’s just look at

some things that happened here so they

adopted a reflective set of practices so

I’m just going to put up a few exemplary

this is a math assignment it’s a toupee

page handwritten essay on growth mindset

that’s kind of cool this is a set of

math practice problems in fact this is a

set of math practice problems that were

done wrong and then revisited in the

journal with corrections in different

colors and notes about what I what

misconception did I demonstrate in this

that’s reflective practice here’s

another one a student in it doesn’t

quite pop on the screen but you’ve got

the work and then in dark red a dialogue

about how I think about this type of

problem what else could go right well

students explore concepts and tools

represented to them and went way beyond

anything we asked in assignments so one

of our early assignments was actually a

junior or senior level partial

differential equations problem where we

asked students to play around with

Mathematica and explore the behavior of

a particular two dimensional wave

equation okay they were given the tools

to play with this they were asked to

animate a simple case I had one student

come to me and say look what I did is

that kind of cool and she actually

figured out how to mouse over and click

and get this to actually add note modes

what else happened students succeeded on

assignments that were well above the

level of the course so this is a midterm

project I want to get to the last bit of

it this is just a handful of a 22-page

right up in latex and the graph you have

embedded there it demonstrates quadratic

approximations through the second-order

Taylor approximate

asian to an egg great-looking function

to characterize critical point behavior

using linear algebra seventeen-year-old

in a freshman class so those are the

kinds of things that can happen when we

take the wheels off we’ve also been able

to engage TAS in multiple years and we

have students developing content so I’m

just going to give you a couple of

really quick thoughts some constraints

on the model their resource constraints

there was a penalty for evaluation when

we made it way too hard the first

semester students were not kind to us I

would say there’s no silver bullet this

is I think working for me I don’t think

it’s the answer for everybody and I want

to leave you with an audience assignment

as students as educators we should

always be thinking about what can we do

to make our experience better how can we

recognize how we learn and how can we do

things better how can we push ourselves

further and on that I’ll leave you with

a comic strip thank you very much [Applause]

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