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Talk to a Robot or to a Peer | Patrizia Bonaventura | TEDxRanneySchool


start telling you about this research

which aims to help children with autism

to converse to engage better in the

conversation and to use better their

language in a social way so we I

conducted research with my colleague

professor sure from computer science at

Monmouth University we thought that we

would try if children with autism must

speak better with a robot than with a

peer why do we do this research because

we know that children with autism try to

tend to isolate themselves not answer

questions if they are asked don’t

respond to their name and take as much

and so we also know that they have a

fascination for objects so whereas with

peers and with children like them they

have a different time in getting engaged

and playing with them and talk to them

they can be captivated by objects

especially technological tools and

computers for hours so I thought that

maybe proposing the child a conversation

with the robot speaking in a human voice

that would help them start the

conversation and start talking and

answering the questions and then they

could actually generalize this skill

once obtained to other contexts like the

school or the family so basically what

are the problems of the children with

autism in language and using language in

a in a social way they are they have

problems in also nonverbal communication

so looking at people in the eyes smiling

while they’re talking taking turns so

waiting for death time to

answer and answering with an appropriate

topic so we call this skills pragmatic

language skills so the first goal of the

study is to actually rehabilitate

pragmatic language skills in children

with autism the second week ability in

children without this means engaging in

emotional exchanges so when they talk to

people they seem to be not they seem not

to engage in an emotional exchange and

they don’t resonate with the emotions of

the other person they maybe do not

understand the feelings of the other

person or they are not able to analyze

their own feelings or to answer to

express their emotion through with

speech so this is the other goal that I

wanted to achieve to let them actually

express their emotions better with the

robot so what did we do we recorded the

speech of children who are native

speakers of Italian because I conducted

this part of the research in Italy at

the Klean at speech pathology clinic

directed by a friend of mine dr. Madani

Renzo the clinic is the Institute of the

ortho phonology and Rome so they gave us

kindly access to their patients and we

could record nine children with autism

and and six normal children children in

normal development so what what did I

use in this experiment to help the

children express themselves some

sentences that are designed to elicit

emotions in this in this in the listener

in the person who has to respond

sentences like do you want to be my

friend or how do you feel when you see

your mom do you like football

do you are you happy when you go out

with your dad

so children are actually asked to answer

and hopefully they will express how they

feel and start being gaining contact

with these emotions so what children

children between the age of five and

fifteen and children who don’t have

other cognitive impairments but just

autism these are children who are more

verbal so more functional

we know that autism is a spectrum so

there is a variety of symptoms children

are very different but we chose the ones

who can engage in a conversation so what

do we analyze we analyze how much they

engage in the conversation and whether

the intonation the porosity of the

conversation is actually appropriate in

their speech why because through the

intonation the melody of speech we

express actually our emotions so it’s

not enough that we say the appropriate

words but also the intonation is

important so how did we run this

experiment we chose a robot would look

like a toy so it’s a mind mind storm

Lego robot very easy to build it was

built by the other students in the

computer science department in at

Monmouth University and in this case it

has a humanoid shape but we tried

different shapes and what does it do so

it speaks with the voice of a child what

I did is I recorded some sentences

spoken by a real child asking these

questions and we uploaded the sentences

in the memory of the robot so basically

there is not a synthesizer it’s very

simple there is not a speech recognizer

it’s just

playing the robot is just plain

sentences that are uploaded in its

memory at a few seconds interval to lead

let the children to lead to the children

some time to answer and so what it does

the robot walks towards the child has

some vision sensors identifies the child

and stops at approximately 15

centimeters and then starts talking so

how did we organize the experiment in a

first phase the child who is tested

speaks to the robot so the robot says

asks question you want to be my friend

do you like candy and the child

interacts so we will see how then we

remove the robot and we actually take in

the room

a real boy who is asking the same

questions what do we want – what do we

want to test first whether there are

patterns in the conversational

interaction with the robot this is

because the autism is a puzzle and we

don’t know how to treat it appropriately

because every child has different

symptoms so it would be very useful if

we could find some patterns especially

in verbal exchanges so we could target

our therapies to those patterns so this

is the first time I was looking for

second thing was – I was testing whether

the children with autism would respond

differently from children in normal

development – the interaction with the

robot and the boy and third I wanted to

see also if the children of course if

the children with autism speak better

more easily to the robot than to the

child so in that case we can use the

robot as a therapy so what did we find

actually we found that

I found some patterns of interaction so

this is a good result so as I said this

is a preliminary study on children who

speak Italian nine children so I’ll tell

you the patterns so the first the first

pattern is used by two children they’re

all boys so I will use masculine

currents as you know there is a ratio

four to one boys to girls for children

with autism so it’s easier to find boys

participants so first pattern is a goal

area so echolalia is a type of response

that she’s done with autism have which

means they imitate the person what the

speaker said so the robot asks do you

want to be my friend and they repeat do

you want to be my friend so they do it

however in two ways in terms of porosity

of intonation the first is just

repeating the intonation that this the

robot said and the second is to speak in

an iphone ‘voice which is like this so

like a whisper how is it produced it

means that you are not vibrating your

vocal folds so since the melody of

speech is generated by moving the vocal

folds it means that they eliminate cross

V so this children in some way do not

really engage in a conversation because

they repeat what the robot just said and

they do it without a prosody so you see

that actually it’s the for my intention

to communicate in some way that is

damaged in this case so they don’t have

the concept of exchanging speech in a

conversation but at least this children

express something verbally with the

robot because with the real child they

would not talk to him okay at all so

it’s something the second pattern was

actually

to use some stereotyped sentences and

intonation so they when the child a

robot asks do you want to be my friend

they would repeat hello hello

as if they were on the phone and they

were trying to understand here the other

person so they would they would keep

saying hello hello hello hello all was

the same many times two of them and I

have to say I also found this in

different languages I tested this do the

same they say hello hello in Italian

pronto pronto

and they repeat the same intonation over

and over again again this is not an

engagement in conversation but it’s some

kind of acknowledgment that somebody has

talked to them and they are trying to

exchange some speech again this children

with the real boy do not do that they

they don’t engage at all so one of these

children also after this the first

interaction is stepped away removed

himself from the robot and went to a

doll house that was in the room and

starting started playing a game

narrating the game to himself and

talking to himself action this is

another pattern that we find in children

with others they talk to themselves so

he was telling himself moved the chair

there is somebody coming in you have to

move you have to move you know open the

door

so he was talking to himself always with

a high very high pitch and stereotyped

intonation so this is again is not a way

to interact in a conversation but it’s

speaking at least so the other way the

other pattern that I found was the other

children were more verbal so other two

children answer the questions but with

mono syllables very short or two words

sentences too short to find an

intonation and it’s not really

conversation but at least they give an

answer so

acknowledged they have an interlocutor

somebody to talk to so that’s a step

ahead let’s say and in this case they

these children answer differently to the

questions with the robot and with the

boy

so they answer all the questions with

the robot but only some of them with the

boy so it’s still an improvement the the

final pattern is for the rest of the

boys they were more fluent in speech so

they would answer with more words and

with the an intonation that seemed okay

and however in the end of the sentence

the intonation became a lullaby like a

little singsong so they’ve changed the

rhythm the rhythm is also connected to

the melody of speech so all of them did

that so in some way there is a control

of porosity which is a different aspect

of speech than words that is affected by

autism and needs to be rehabilitated

this is also something that wasn’t

studied before so it’s a new finding and

prosody we think it’s processed in the

right half of the brain whereas speech

in the left hemisphere so we have some

new information from this experiment and

so I want to just say in the end that

the children with autism responded

differently to the robot and to the boy

children know in normal development they

answered exactly the same sentences to

the robot and the boy the two tasks were

one after the other so they remember the

questions of course but I noticed that

they are used exactly the same answers

so it I think as a tentative

interpretation is that we can say that

when a robot speaks with the voice of a

boy the children in normal development

think it’s a boy

so they would answer as if it was a

person exactly like they would answer to

the real boy but children with others

who think that actually is a different

entity and so they answer differently

and in some cases the less verbal so the

functional children actually had some

kind of start in the conversation so

anything is good you know as a

improvement in therapy so we will start

from there to try to improve the

prototype and try to make it better so

it can elicit more interactions and

hopefully there is some improvement in

the future for these skills in the

season [Applause]

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