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“Shattering the American Dream One Deportation at a Time” | Jason Corral | TEDxHarvardCollegeSalon


good afternoon everybody ten years ago

almost to the date in New Bedford

Massachusetts there was an immigration

and customs enforcement gray on a

factory in which approximately 350

immigrants were arrested now immigration

and customs enforcement came to this

this factory oddly enough they were if

they were producing a jackets military

jacket with people serving overseas they

came in with helicopters dogs weapons of

all Tigers and they arrested three

hundred fifty men women and children at

that time oh it’s three years out of Law

School fresh out of law school and was

working a great Boston Legal Services

and we got a call that this rate had

occurred our managing attorney was still

the manager an attorney there nancy

kelly started to put together a plan we

needed to go in and interview these

folks as quickly as possible so we

figured out Nancy figured out that they

were being many of them were being

detained at a military base in Fort

Devens Massachusetts which is it made of

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call say in English air in Spanish we

say hi yet because they’re like

yesterday like old-fashioned sort of

technique to bring people

detention and so we we organized to get

down into the military base remember all

types of hurdles it didn’t want to let

us in they required us to submit names

of the people that we were representing

so we quickly got in touch with families

and we got almost all the names of the

people there and said we are the

representatives of these these folks we

get down to the military base and

there’s an armed guard I was in a car

with a few different people we had six

or seven attorneys at the time but we

got volunteers from all the different

units to come up with us I was in a car

and I was illegal was the lawyer was our

other paralegals and secretaries go

ahead we met with an armed guard at the

gate and they said you gotta wait it was

cold we were in a car and it was

freezing cold and we were waiting

suburb in Massachusetts is very surreal

anyway so we get in night has fallen ten

we can’t bring our car so they tell us

to get him back in the back of one of

those police wagons you know there’s a

majority of a forever paddy wagon we had

to get me back up that and go to another

part of the base we get to the other

part of the base they take us out of

this wagon as they’re taking us out for

taking some of the two teenies and we

see that these guys are central american

many of which are from one more

indigenous folks many of them are

indigenous if you know people from water

mala Central America there’s slight

stature very neat and they have them

teen arm and arm like this and their

legs are shackled and to pull it amount

of a wagon somewhere to only wear it and

if one person falls symbols of the whole

line similarly watching this

force myself to watch if I had to watch

it because I felt as though I need to

let those people know that there’s

walk into a sort of mess hall similar to

this but with barbed wire and

floodlights although pet and they bring

in and move the detainees back to the

place and ways make us wait for another

hour so we’re just waiting I know when

they finally bring the detainees out

gotta be around midnight tired look

exhausted it looks like the heart is

hard for them to stand up and they’re

still standing in line presented as if

we’re part of the problem the reason why

you can’t go to sleep is because these

attorneys want to talk to you and it was

I just a little bit aside practicing now

for about 14 years and we have a

relationship with the ice

arguments often times but we have a

working relationship we respect them as

people and they respect consequence or

support but on this day that respect at

least on the part of the ice attorneys

went out the door they were treating us

as if we were breaking a law as if we

were somehow making things harder

troublemakers I remember at one point I

went up to a nice an attorney that that

I had known that I respected they say

sir we’d like to prioritize speaking

with the children first so if you could

bring the children out first we’d like

to talk to those folks firms and he went

and yelled at me saying we do not have

any children in this facility louder

than that more in fact they did we found

children in their DCF Health Department

children and families of those find

children and you know we got them

remedies Boyd one such person i’m open

to wrap up for keys he’s a citizen now

help me to wrap up the keys with him

but that the change in the environment

that change in the way that we saw each

other was part of this sort of

militarization this reinforcement aspect

of the immigration policy that existed

at the time so this was during the bush

the Bush era and what I could say about

the difference then I suppose now push

first took office the border was much

more course people came in there was

this catcher release policy and it’s

really hard to get numbers

many people you release this check

around back in there was not nearly as

much border enforcement as we have now

have some numbers for you as well that

goes something like 9800 2001 9800

border agents and then by 2009 we have

20,000 border agents so during the Bush

administration you see you can see a lot

more of this interior enforcement USC

rounding up of folks like in New Bedford

I saw a smaller scale sweeps here in

Massachusetts and then tuck it

there was some of the meat factories

were rated in Iowa I believe so see a

lot of a much more of a terior base

yeah flip and when I could say in that

regard and the reason why it was so

important for us to get in there is

because even if you get arrested and

detained you still have the right to go

to a hearing and be heard on the merits

of your case so we wanted to make sure

all of these folks no matter where they

were located had an attorney that could

represent them in the event that there

was some immigration remedy available to

them so what did immigration do they

took all of these people that were in

Fort Devens and they transfer them to

Texas a couple of days and I remember

hearing the news that the folks that we

had gone and interviewed and spent those

hours getting their stories were taken

and put in a state far away where they

have no other resources and we were

coming home gosh we’re just coming home

crying into my pillow

even to this day I’m not nervous like I

still feel emotional about

events part of that the emotion comes

from I did a little research on on civil

pictured what it must have been

you

tortured indigenous person tortured

during the watermelon Civil War two

hundred thousand people were killed

eighty-three percent of which were

indigenous Mayans why this is not

recognized as as a genocide globally I

recognized it as a genocide I don’t know

why we don’t have some rather dark

remedy here in the united states that

allows indigenous Mayans fleeing this

genocide some refuge here I don’t know

but I have that picture going into the

detention center and I realized that

what they were seeing here in

Massachusetts very blue state liberal

massachusetts was probably reminiscent

of some of the detention situations they

face

and for that reason I felt my country

had failed that there was a failure in

system that there was something wrong

I still feel that what we saw a in the

transition from the Bush era to the

performant is we see a lot less of that

interior enforcement and maybe Obama had

a heart maybe you recognize some of the

issues that immigrant in space because

in fact his father’s interpret or maybe

Obama was just lucky in that the border

was now secure and everybody had been

dealt with now what we see we see a

border that is eighty percent secure

bye-bye I statistics what I see in my

practice is I see people that are

already in the system they’re already in

there was an interesting article in New

York Times concerning the security of

the border comparions and people are

or nearly impossible but comparing it to

the Berlin Wall the Berlin Wall was

ninety-five percent secure but we’re

talking about 96 miles of border we got

2,000 miles of the mexican border that’s

eighty percent secure i would call that

pretty secure and i think obama road

this time such that he he no longer

focused on on the interior he had a new

set of priorities he was going to

prioritize criminal aliens aliens and

and people with outstanding deportation

orders and continue the security at the

border but now and what i can say it

regards to to bush and obama oddly

enough there immigration policies are

very similar the idea being that if you

start with enforcement then maybe after

we’re secure we secure that border then

maybe we can then start talking about

comprehensive immigration reform so

there was a little bit of that hope for

the light at the end of the tunnel and i

think democrats and republicans went

along with this idea okay let’s secure

so what I think this is my opinion is

that Obama began getting frustrated fact

that he’s fluent reporter and we didn’t

get the duration reform 2010 we see a

bipartisan bill that’s all over that

that that has majority support it didn’t

have enough support to pasco Buster

Republicans health agenda

with that frustration Obama moves to

executive orders 2012 Obama by the

pathway the so-called viewers in sign

and elect the executive order called the

deferred action for childhood arrivals

from doc this was an effort to jumpstart

the conversation once again to at least

signing the dreamer villa or more

after that 2013 Mayo so called gang of

eight for focus for Democrats with the

Boehner didn’t want to bring it to a

vote he is basically held hostage by a

group of very extreme I wouldn’t even

say conservative just an extreme group

of the Republican Party that threatened

to his speaker speakership harm if he

brought it to a book that many coal

chamber so anyways what we have is

comprehensive immigration reform stalled

in the water and the enforcement

continues the enforcement continues and

yet whenever we never feel or we’re

never getting messages that in fact we

are secure with this clear import with

this enforcement what we saw is we speak

and to see a clear picture of who it was

that was entering the United States and

no matter what Trump tells you move the

people that are coming into the United

States with the numbers will show is we

see an increase in unaccompanied minors

these are children entering the United

States without their parents and we see

it increase in family units a lot of

people are coming from Central America

and actually was seen a shift from the

majority of people

from the northern triangle in Guatemala

El Salvador’s and fewer Mexicans it

shifted the population a lot more women

a lot more children they’re not Mexican

rapist that’s for sure they’re not

radical Islamic terrorists that’s for

sure they’re women in children in fact

six what we see in 2009 received 20,000

miners between the United States by 2014

similarly 2013 15 thousand family units

coming into the United States 2014 in

their very next year seventy thousand

family units to the United States at the

same time we’re seeing a decrease in the

that is all to say that border is secure

and these people that are in the United

States expressing appear many times and

endure and they’re not the type of books

that you hear about being a threat to

our security but what Trump is doing

with his rhetoric about mexican teen

murderers and rapists and radical

Islamic terrorists is not only is he

instilling fear but he’s he’s making the

case for increased enforcement and in

fact just this week with we hear him

reiterate his need for 15,000 more

border agents to secure this other

border and of course we all heard about

but what I would argue is that we tried

enforcement Chloe policies for the last

40 years or so we can say really with

the Reagan administration is when you

get the need for a work permit and

relatively modern issue but for the last

four decades we’ve tried enforcement

only causing the deterrent policies and

it doesn’t work it’s inefficient not

only is it inefficient it’s

misunderstood by many people it’s

misunderstood by by people a broth and

it’s misunderstood by people in the

united states people in the United

States certainly don’t feel more secure

people that are coming in feel a sense

of instability having to have an

immigration case pending or sometimes

five years without knowing again whether

or not they will be able to continue

living with their family and continue

study or continue working or whether

they’ll be

classic example of a key of cases that I

have now kids that have

there are 15 years old in high school

completed high school if you win the

case by year if the case is a little bit

more problematic could take it like a

set of five years we’re talking about

that that age group of 15 year old to a

20 year old a lot happens in that time

you go to high school learning English

you get to some job skills maybe or are

and if I bad if it in a half cases like

that save at the end of that by appears

you don’t know what it’s going to happen

it’s not likely that you’re going to be

able to focus such that you can reach

your full potential and who does that

really affect them that affects all of

us we have the opportunity to take

advantage of the potential of all of the

people that we collaborated with in the

United States but with this enforcement

deterrent idea and policy we as a nation

are unable to embrace populations we

what I think we need is we need a

clearer path to citizenship we need to

step away from the turn-based system and

focus more on a reward based system or

merit-based system that recognizes the

need for not only a robust labor force

but the diversity of thought and

creative ideas that comes from

when I think back to what made me so sad

why I would pry my pillow and I saw that

bid for grade it wasn’t really me

thinking politically about it wasn’t me

thinking about I know it’s just a very

inefficient system and also sad that our

system is so efficient no it wasn’t that

wasn’t that the humanity the inhumanity

that experience that was it either he

was part of it but really what made me

sad was the idea that I was seeing the

physical manifestation of policy that

contradicts what I feel is at the core

of our 248 year experiment that is

be sure the founders of this country

admitted reason when they decided to

carve out a piece of land for themselves

but they were also in a situation where

they had to admit those treasonous acts

and preserve the rule of law and how did

they do that they justify it by with the

thoughts of the Philosopher’s during the

Enlightenment there are certain things

that they said should it be taken away

talked about natural rights god-given

Runnings inalienable rights rights that

they were building a nation that

transcends the traditional notion of

to do that they needed people that were

courageous enough to transcend both

traditional groupings they needed people

that move beyond race ethnicity nation

religion they needed this because they

collaboration to seek something higher

the classic is the life liberally

they wanted to create a space and pursue

and in fact the Declaration of

Independence talks about I got to get

the correct word I don’t miss read the

decoration so they talked about repeated

injuries and usurpations of the king and

one of those repeated injuries is if so

mated word for work he has endeavored to

prevent the population of these states

for that purpose obstructing the laws

for naturalization of foreigners

refusing to pass others to encourage the

migrations hither and raising the

kitchen the conditions of new

appropriations of land in the

Declaration of Independence was this

idea that we needed a population

with that the American Dream is not just

the dream of an individual to do all

that he can do to be the best in the

American dream is a dream of our nation

American Dream is the idea that has a

nation with people that are courageous

enough to collaborate with people

different from them we can come together for the benefit

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