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Mississippi’s Lost Generation | Jake McGraw | TEDxMillsapsCollege


I’m going to start you off with the

quest

pop quiz here you see the people here on

the photos these are all famous names I

just want you know anybody can shout it

out what do all these people have in

common they’re all Mississippians right

we’re here in Mississippi every single

promotional thing that our state puts

out all the commercials will we’ll talk

about all the famous people that have

come from Mississippi and it’s true that

we probably produce more people and

especially creative people who have

whose names even whose first names like

Oprah and Elvis are known worldwide I

mean that’s a tremendous you know it

shows the the potency of Mississippi and

so you guys are all right yeah the

answer is that they’re all born in

Mississippi but there’s a second part of

that answer and if you had seen the

topic of my talk it might have given you

a hint about it the second part is that

none of them became famous while they

were living in Mississippi

so all these Mississippi natives had to

go somewhere else to become famous now

these are just the most famous most

prominent examples of what is actually a

pervasive problem and that is the fact

that for generations

Mississippi’s young people have left

more have left than have come to

Mississippi many have been pulled out by

opportunity that could be found

elsewhere that couldn’t be found in the

state others have been pushed out

because of oppression because of lack of

opportunity here Latka lack of

advancement here it’s a problem that

still exists and still it’s it’s getting

worse and worse in it and I feel like

the reason I want to highlight it in

this forum particularly is that we all

know it many of us individually know it

especially those who go to college in

the state you make the decision do you

stay or do you go it’s not something

know that we talked about a lot in in

public policy debates and our politics

and yet it is the issue that sort of

undergirds every other issue in the

state of Mississippi so let me explain

that first I’m going to sort of put put

a few numbers on this problem just so we

can get

a sense of how big and how vast it is

just in one year 2015-2016 Mississippi

lost about 7500 more people than moved

in so this just just over 12 months

7,500 people population of the state of

Mississippi is is just shy of 3 million

if you if you sort of add a few more

years to that go back a few more years

and look since 2010 you’ll see that that

7500 number is not just a one-year

phenomenon it’s happening it’s recurring

so Mississippi has a persistent out

migration problem and so just from 2010

you know just just from from the time

that you know we had the I don’t know

the iPhone 3 to now Mississippi has lost

35,000 more people than its gained we

also have some stats about lifetime

so this problem didn’t start in 2015 it

didn’t start in 2010 it’s been going on

for for almost 80 years now and so we

can we can actually look through census

data and see how many people who are

living in the United States of America

today were actually born in the state of

Mississippi and then we can subtract out

how many people today still live in the

state of Mississippi and you’ll find

that that we’ve lost about 400,000

people four hundred thousand more people

were born in the state of Mississippi

than currently live in the state of

Mississippi you know these are big

numbers I think it’s helpful if we

actually sort of put it in perspective

but thinking about it as a city just

taking that number that 35,000 number

since 2010 you know if that were a

contiguous City where would it stack up

in terms of rankings in Mississippi

Mississippi is a small state it’s a

rural state we don’t have a lot of big

cities you’re sitting in the only city

that that’s over a hundred thousand so

if you take just the people that have

left between 2010 2016 put them all

together that would be the ninth largest

city in the state of Mississippi go

if you take the people that are living

elsewhere over a lifetime well that

that’s over double the population of the

city of Jackson in fact that 400,000

number that 396,000 number is actually

bigger than the the five largest cities

and Mississippi combined and so we’re

basically talking about you know a city

a massive city of Mississippians that

are just living elsewhere so the biggest

city in Mississippi is not Jackson it’s

actually the Mississippians that are

living in Texas or living in Georgia I

think it’s really useful if we think

about it in those terms now what makes

this not just a problem but actually I

think a crisis is that no other state

even nearby that touches Mississippi is

experiencing the same problem every

single one of those states in fact every

other state in the entire southeastern

United States is importing people

Mississippi is at the crossroads of the

fastest-growing most attractive place to

live in America right now and yet we’re

the exception

we are the outlier so that in the same

period that we lost 35,000 people you’ll

see that Tennessee grew by by nearly a

hundred fifty thousand but even states

Tennessee’s sort of in third year

Alabama and Louisiana Arkansas these

states are in first year they’re in sort

of load deer but they’re still adding

people year after year at the same time

that that Mississippi is losing it so so

they may not be accelerating very fast

but we’re in Reverse I think we need to

you know not just think about ourselves

as being kind of part of the mid-south

now not everybody you know moves out in

equal proportions like this is this is

particularly acute among young people

and and so why I think it’s pertinent to

talk about this on a college campus so

when we ask the question like who we’re

leaving who were among that thirty five

thousand what we know is that ninety

percent are under the age of thirty five

ninety percent of the pea

people that have left and again this is

this is subtracting out the people that

have moved in so we we are we are

talking about just a deficit that we are

running and giving to to the rest of the

country we’re giving our young people

this this map here if some of you may

have seen it it sort of went around

virally in the state a few months ago

but if you look at the Millennial

population and Millennials you know

everybody that’s kind of a an ambiguous

term yet but but they look at

Millennials talk about them as people

born between 1980 and 2000 and if you

looked at the Millennial population in

every state in the United States none

has lost more since 2010 than

Mississippi in fact none even comes

close the next closest we lost nearly

four percent four out of 100 Millennials

in just six years and those are people

that are not being replaced people who

are moving out and not being replaced

the next closest was New Mexico which

was about 2.8 percent and then it was

Illinois that was about 2.3 percent and

beyond that you can’t actually find that

many states that lost more Millennials

than then they attracted the United

States as a whole is importing a lot of

people from other countries a lot of

young people from other countries

Mississippi is is not just the outlier

in the region but in many ways we’re an

outlier nationally the second thing we

know about this population that’s

leaving is that they’re the people who

get education in the state of

Mississippi so Mississippi you know is

we’re 50th and so many different

education metrics it consumes so much of

our our work in the state people who

want to advance the state you know we

say what’s the what’s the number one

thing we need to do we need to educate

our young people when we do that

successfully the problem is often the

road to opportunity is the road out of

the state of Mississippi and so for the

kids that we’re succeeding and we are

failing many many kids in the state but

when we succeed often what

doing is just increasing the chances

that they’re going to take that

education and move to another state and

so what this graph shows is that if you

look at it people who have not gotten a

college degree who have either some

college or an associate’s degree all the

way down to people who didn’t complete

high school Mississippi is actually

importing more than we are sending out

of the state so when we’re talking about

the these big numbers you know people

who were who were going we’re talking

about people who get bachelor’s degrees

and graduate degrees in the state of

Mississippi and you’ll see that the more

education the more degrees you get in

Mississippi the higher the chances

you’ll leave and many of these people

that leave they’re taking their families

with them and so that’s what that’s what

creates such a big a big hole 35,000 and

that’s that’s something that’s going to

be passed down generation to generation

now where are they going

Mississippi has been exporting people

really an Ernest since since the 40s the

great migration we saw migration of of

black agricultural laborers from rural

Mississippi and really all of the rural

South moving to the industrial Midwest

Chicago Milwaukee Detroit and so that’s

what this this graph shows this came

from the New York Times they looked at

census data going back a century and

you’ll see how what percentage of

Mississippians stayed in the state and

it’s actually been relatively flat it

maybe even we we retain a few more now

than we did 50 years ago but you can

really see that where people are going

has has changed especially if you get to

spend a little time with with this data

Illinois Michigan the Midwest that was

the prime destination for for the

majority of the latter half of the 20th

century but now where people are going

Tennessee Texas Florida Georgia it’s the

south so people aren’t deciding between

whether to stay in Mississippi or move a

thousand miles away they’re choosing

whether to stay in Mississippi were or

move to a city within Drive

distance of Mississippi and that’s

that’s a much a much bigger and much

different question I think when we’re

talking about solutions

now refined that and follow-up on that

point that we know that they’re not just

moving to rural Georgia rural Texas we

know that they’re moving to Atlanta to

Houston to Dallas with what this map

shows is a county-by-county migration

numbers between 2000 and 2010 so the

purple counties and especially the deep

purple counties are the ones that are

attracting a huge influx of people and

the orange counties are the ones that

are that are sending them away you’ll

see and you can overlay this with a map

of southern geography but you’ll see

that that really it’s not spread evenly

across the south you know these states

that are attracting hundreds of

thousands of people it’s being

concentrated in metropolitan areas and

even in Mississippi you’ll see that that

the places that are growing are the more

metropolitan now let’s let’s sort of cap

this with actually some real numbers

about you know just how many people from

Mississippi are living in these other

states and where they’re going so said

Texas is number one by far we’ve said

seventy-five thousand more people in

Texas than Texas is sent to us you’ll

see that Florida Georgia are up there

the only in fact the only two states

that we’ve imported more people from

than we’ve sent over a lifetime are

Louisiana and Tennessee now part of that

especially in Tennessee is DeSoto County

we see a lot of suburbanization for

Memphis but I want to I want to put a

little asterisk on that data because

I’ll just confess I consider myself a

lifelong Mississippian I love

Mississippi I want Mississippi to be my

home forever but in this data I actually

count as a Tennessean because I’m from

Oxford but my parents decided to deliver

me at Baptist East Memorial Hospital in

Memphis and so according to the US

Census I was born in Tennessee and

therefore six hours after birth i i’m i

grated to mississippi and so and i think

probably many of you too where do people

in mississippi

South Mississippi go-to to give birth if

they’re not coming to Jackson its New

Orleans we’re importing people from

Louisiana and this in these figures

North Mississippi it’s Memphis we’re

importing people from Tennessee so just

to put a little asterisk on that on that

data shell of all heard the expression

thank God for Mississippi right you know

it means that you know if it weren’t for

Mississippi then then maybe we’d be last

so other states really should be

thanking us they should be earnestly

thanking us because when we’re sending

people especially young people who have

gotten a college degree in Mississippi

there they are contributing tax dollars

they are contributing their ideas talent

they’re starting businesses there and so

this is this is a chart of just how much

money you know how much how much of a

check are we cutting to to all of the

other southeastern states every year now

this this comes from the IRS you can

actually look and see who filed taxes in

one state in one year and filed another

state in another year and so I went and

compiled that data and looked in the

year 2015 at all the people that had

moved out of the states between 2010 and

2015 and how much they earned in those

new states and subtracted out how much

people who lived at Mississippi earned

in Mississippi and what you find is that

people who left Mississippi earned one

point four billion dollars this is one

year one point four billion dollars more

outside the state of Mississippi than

people who moved here earned in state of

Mississippi our entire state GDP is just

over a hundred billion and it and it’s

not growing very fast

we’re doing a lot of work for we’re

putting in a lot of effort into

recruiting businesses here we’re trying

to fill up a bucket while we’re not

actually plugging this massive hole this

1.4 billion dollar-a-year

hole and it’s it’s not going you know

necessarily to California in New York

it’s it’s going to our neighbors like

they really should be thanking us Texas

got a 500 million dollar subsidy

because of Mississippians moving there

in 2015

Tennessee Georgia all these all these

states are making hundreds of millions

even Alabama got a hundred and fifty

million dollars more from Mississippians

than we got from from them so thank God

for Mississippi you know we really

should make them make them pay us back

for this now you know these are big

numbers I sort of talked about this in

aggregate what I actually think is most

potent about this issue is that we all

have four personal stories and that that

every person’s decision about where

they’re going to live like that’s one of

the most sort of intimate private

choices that we can make and so talking

about it in these big sweeping terms is

good for for policy but but really I

think we need to break it down to one

number and that’s that’s the $9,000

$9,000 question is how I frame it so

what $9,000 represents is the average

earnings that somebody in Mississippi

who has a college degree will make in

the state of Mississippi less than what

the average person who has college

degree will make nationally so people in

Mississippi if you have a college degree

and you stay in Mississippi on average

you’re taking about a $9,000 hit that’s

it that’s that’s a huge sacrifice that’s

about 20% of the average income now of

course it varies person to person but

what we need to ask ourselves I think

one is how can we close that gap we need

we need to sort of demand of

policymakers we need to demand of

business leaders that that

Mississippians need to be earning on par

at least with the rest of the southeast

and so $9,000 is our is our deficit

compared to two Nash in the national

average it’s $7,500 less though than the

southeast so Mississippi you were paying

a premium to be here a lot of people

cannot escape that mathematics that sort

of financial arithmetic even if they

want to stay in the

specific we got it we gotta make it

financially viable for them but the

second question is what are the

qualitative things what is the quality

of life what is it that’s worth to you

in your life that that will offset that

$9,000 that you might give up you know

what meaning what fulfillment can we

offer people in Mississippi that that

will make up for the earnings hit that

they might take and I think that there

there are a lot of different answers for

that I think that this this forum is a

good example of that I certainly know in

my life that what I do I could never do

in another state that I actually get

I’ve advanced my career by being in

Mississippi because I have the the

freedom to do things that when you have

something talked about a lot is that you

can wear a lot of hats in Mississippi

you know you don’t get put in a box in

Mississippi if you if you care people

care about families people care about

relationships here people care about

creativity there are a lot of things but

I think as a state we get kind of tied

up in this conversation about you know

material deficits you know how can we if

we give if we give just enough tax

incentives maybe we can bring keep

people here I want to ask and leave you

with this $9,000 question is what are

the qualitative things that might make

that that $9,000 hurt a little bit

little less to people what is it what is

it that that we can do to make

Mississippi a place where people can can

live and be fulfilled and make more

benefit you know a lot of it is I think

the impact that you can have on those

around you and in your community these

are the things that that we need to talk

about on a personal level on an

educational level on a business level

and certainly on a political level thank you

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