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Justice is a decision | Ronald Sullivan | TEDxMidAtlantic


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imagine that you take a 19-hour very

long drive to Disney World with two kids

in the backseat and 15 minutes into this

19 hour trip the immutable laws of

nature dictates that you get the

question are we there yet

so you answer this question a hundred

more times easily in the negative but

you finally arrive you have a wonderful

wonderful wonderful trip

you drive 19 long hours back home and

when you get there the police are

waiting on you they accuse you of

committing a crime that occurred while

you were away in Florida you tell

anybody and everybody who will listen I

didn’t do it I couldn’t have done it I

was hanging out with Mickey and Minnie

and my kids but no one believes you

ultimately you’re arrested you’re tried

you’re convicted and you’re sentenced

and you spend 25 years in jail until

someone comes along and proves has the

evidence to prove that you actually were

in Florida when this crime was committed

so I’m a harvard law professor and the

last several years I have worked on

winning the release of innocent people

who’ve been wrongfully convicted people

like Jonathan Fleming who spent 24 years

eight months in jail for a murder that

was committed in Brooklyn New York

while he was in Disney World with his

kids how do we know this because when he

was arrested

among his proper

in his back pocket was a receipt

time-stamped receipt that showed that he

was in Disney World that receipt was put

in the police file a copy of it was put

in the prosecutors file and they never

gave it to his public defender in fact

nobody even knew it was there it just

sat there for 20-some odd years my team

looked through the file and we found it

did the rest of the investigation and

figured out someone else committed the

crime mr. Fleming was in Disney World

and he is now released let me give you a

little bit of context so about three

years ago I got a call from the Brooklyn

district attorney he asked whether I’d

be interested in designing a program

called a conviction review unit so I

said yes conviction review unit is

essentially a unit in a prosecutor’s

office where prosecutors look at their

past cases to determine whether or not

they made mistakes over the course of

the first year we found about 13

wrongful convictions people haven’t been

in jail for decades and we released all

of them it was the most in New York

history the program is still going on

and they’re up to 21 releases now 21

people who spent significant time behind

bars so let me tell you just about a

couple other of the men and women that I

interacted with in the course of this

program so one name is Roger Logan mr.

Logan had been in jail 17 years and

wrote me a letter it was a simple letter

it basically said professor Sullivan I’m

innocent I had been framed can you look

at my case at first blush the case

seemed like it was open and shut but my

research that showed that single witness

identification cases are prone to error

doesn’t mean he was innocent just means

we ought to look a little bit closer at

those cases so we did and the facts were

relatively simple the eyewitness said

she heard a shot and she ran to

next building and and turned around and

looked him there was mr. Logan and he

was tried and convicted and in jail for

17 semi years but it was a single

witness case so we took a look at it I

sent some people to the scene and there

was an inconsistency and it’s I don’t

know how let me to put it politely who

same boat couldn’t have run from where

she said she was to the other spot right

so so we knew that wasn’t true right so

still didn’t mean that he didn’t do it

but we knew something was something was

maybe fishy about this witness so look

through the file piece of paper in the

file had a number on it the number

indicated that this witness had a record

we went back through 20 years of non

digitized papers to figure out what this

record was about and it turned out they

turned out that eyewitness was in jail

when she said she saw what she saw man

spent 17 years behind bars

the last one is a case about two two

boys Willy Stuckey David McCallum they

were arrested at 15 and their conviction

was vacated 29 years later now this was

a case once again first blush it looked

open and shut

they had confessed but my research

showed that juvenile confessions without

a parent present are prone to error the

DNA case has proved this several times

so we took a close look looked at the

confession and it turned out there was

something in the confession that those

boys could not have known only people

who knew it were police and prosecutors

we knew what really happened someone

told them to say this we don’t exactly

know who which person did but any rate

the confession was coerced we determined

we then went back and did forensics and

did a fulsome investigation and found

that two other much older different

heights different hairstyle to other

people committed the crime not these two

boys actually went to court that day

when for the what’s called

vacatur hearing right where the

conviction is thrown out I went to court

I wanted to see mr. McCallum walk out of

there so what the court and the judge

says something that judges say all the

time but this took on a really special

meaning he looked up after the arguments

and said mr. McCallum said five

beautiful words you are free to go

can you imagine after just about 30

years you are free to go and he walked

out of that courtroom unfortunately its

co-defendant mr. Stuckey didn’t get the

benefit of that you see mr. Stuckey died

in prison at 34 years old and his mother

sat at counsel table in his place I’ll

never forget this the rest of my life

she just rocked at the table saying I

knew my baby didn’t do this I knew my

baby didn’t do this and her baby didn’t

do this to other guys did it if there’s

anything that we’ve learned anything

that I’ve learned with this conviction

integrity work is that justice doesn’t

justice is not a thing that just you

know descends from above and makes

everything right if it did mr. Stuckey

wouldn’t have died in prison justice is

something that people of good will make

happen justice is a decision justice is

a decision we make justice happen you

know that the scary thing is in each of

these three cases I described it would

have only taken just an extra minute an

extra minute for someone to look through

the file and find this receipt just just

one more to look through the file find

the receipt give it to the public

defender

it would have taken someone just a

minute to look at the video confession

to say that cannot be just a minute

and perhaps mr. Stuckey would be alive

today it reminds me of one of my

favorite poems and it’s a point that

Benjamin Elijah Mays would always recite

and he called it God’s minute and it

goes something like this I have only

just a minute only 60 seconds in it

forced upon me can’t refuse it didn’t

seek it didn’t choose it but it’s up to

me to use it I must suffer if I lose it

give a count if I abuse it just a tiny

little minute but eternity is in it if I

were to charge each and every one of us

I would want to say something like every

day every day take just one extra minute

and do some justice you don’t have to I

mean some people spend their careers in

their lives like public defenders doing

justice every day but in your

professional lives whatever you do take

time out to just do some justice make a

colleague feel better if you hear

something that’s sexist don’t laugh

speak up if someone is down lift them up

one extra minute each day and it be a

great great place now I want to show you

something now above me is a picture of

David McCallum this is the day he was

released from prison after 30 years he

got to hug and nice he had never been

able to touch before and I asked him

then I said what’s the first thing you

want to do and he said I just want to

walk on a sidewalk without anybody

telling me where to go wasn’t bitter I

just wanted to walk on a sidewalk I

spoke to mr. McCallum about two weeks

ago I went to New York and it was on the

two-year anniversary of his release and

we talked we laughed we hugged we cried

and he’s doing quite well and one of the

things he said when we met with him is

that he now has dedicated his life and

his career to ensuring that nobody else

is locked up unjustly justice my friends

is a decision thank you very much [Applause]

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