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How can we learn from human error? | Ivan Pupulidy, PhD | TEDxABQSalon


for more than ten years the

third-largest cause of death in the

United States has been attributed to

preventable medical error the numbers

associated with this are 300 thousand to

four hundred and forty thousand

fatalities per year it’s a shocking

number it’s a lot and it’s increasing so

we should think about this number and we

should look at it very carefully our

safety specialists have spawned what

they call the Global War on error and

out of this have emerged two fundamental

pathways the first pathway is mechanical

or mechanistic it’s putting

interventions or interlocks in place and

you’re probably familiar with many of

these these are the things that keep us

from making mistakes and these are

upstream management efforts pre-emptive

and for the most part they’re very

effective but there’s another side the

second side looks at the human aspect

the human contribution and what happens

with humans when humans make mistakes

well sadly our current methodologies are

pretty much dedicated to trying to

ascribe blame or error as causal and

what happens in this is we end up making

actions determining them or judging them

to be good or bad and at the same time

judging people as being good or bad the

problem here is that that doesn’t trap

error that traps people so what I’d like

to do now is I’d like to explore who we

are who our error makers what are we

raise your hand if you’ve ever made a

mistake look around the room keep your

hand up if you’ve made one today

so it’s kind of like Shakespeare said he

said to err is human and we’re all part

of the human club so if we’re going to

think about systems and we’re going to

say that a system has to be error-free

guess what I can guarantee that that

system will fail but let’s think about

this another way let’s think about how

people have to work inside of a gray

area that things aren’t really black and

white right and wrong in most workplaces

in fact most workplaces are complex and

the world and mother nature have a

tendency to hold their secrets close and

let them out sometimes at the worst

possible time let me give you an example

of how some some of these complexities

appear in normal work Chicago O’Hare

Airport sports this sign keep off red

line which I’d be really happy to do if

I could find the red line how about this

regulation I mean here’s a roll it

clearly in conflict with another rule

one of my most favorites though is this

how we Brett respectively after the

error has occurred try to hold people

accountable even in the worst possible

yeah so as we start thinking about who

we are as human beings we have to start

thinking about what the intention of our

people are so we hire people how many

people raise your hand if you’ve hired

somebody okay most of the time when you

hire somebody or your work colleagues

you look upon them as being good people

and they are good people and guess what

when they have an error or make a

mistake they’re still good people

they’re still well intended good people

you call yourselves caregivers most of

you have taken an oath to that effect so

we should think about who these people

are

let’s explore this this worker intends

to do the best that she can okay

now for full clarity this person is

standing with one foot on a ladder

another foot on a door that is not

secured and she’s painting over her head

to make sure that she gets paint on the

wall and not on the ceiling how does

this worker describe success at the end

of the day no paint on the ceiling

exactly right so success is this but

failure do you think the person thinks

that failure is falling in the stairwell

well I can tell you from personal

experience because this happens to be my

but she did not think that this was a

risky maneuver and she was doing the

best she could with what she had and I

bet every one of you has been in a

situation that is similar to this

and none of you got the Darwin order you

wouldn’t be here and if you did if

somebody did ascribe something like that

something as terrible as the Darwin

Award how would it make you feel inside

what would it take away from you and

this is what we’ve done with our current

processes of accident investigation now

I’ve been doing accident investigation

for over 20 years I’ve seen a lot they

usually call me when there’s a fatality

and what I’ve got to tell you is this

that our approach has been fundamentally

dispositional what I mean by that is

we’ve looked at the disposition of

people we’ve tried to say that they were

bad people and sometimes that makes us

feel good afterwards because gosh knows

I’m not a bad person

so what happens when they are successful

with an innovation the opposite is true

if they’re successful with the

innovation and my wife doesn’t get paint

on the ceiling and it all ends up on the

wall then we say you were thinking

outside the box and we reward that but

it’s the same adaptation so the same

adaptations that result in success

result in failure so what I’m suggesting

is this dispositional idea of judgment

doesn’t really move us toward learning

and the real currency that we have in

safety to improve safety in any

workplace is information and if we cut

that conduit of information off if we

ostracize people and make them feel bad

we’re going to lose that source of

information so what we’ve done is we’ve

looked at this a very different way and

my research has shown that what we need

to do is focus on the conditions that

influence decisions and actions we have

to ask a question that is more

situational in nature than dispositional

and that question is pretty simple why

did it make sense for good people to do

what they did and in order to understand

that

we’ve got to look at the conditions that

supported decisions and actions we

create a thing that we call a network of

influences map and we call it a network

because we see these things these

conditions as nested and networked and

influencing each other as well as

influencing the individual we’ve all

seen it

sometimes we’re influenced for the

better sometimes we take less risk for

example sometimes we’re influenced to

take more risk and that’s not

necessarily for the worse sometimes we

have to take risk because there is no

zero risk option and that’s another

thing that we’ve got to understand that

lives in this gray area so this is just

one example from one of the accidents

that we did and just to give you an idea

what this grows into it grows into

something like that and I don’t expect

you to read that for what I do expect

you to do is understand that the

conditions are really really extremely

diffused within our system and they’re

very rarely depicted in a way that

leadership can understand much less that

the field can understand so out of this

process what we expect is this we expect

that our leaders who are really imbued

with one responsibility and that is to

create a workplace wherein workers can

be safe wherein workers can be

successful our leaders are imbued with

that responsibility when we think about

a safety function in our organization

our responsibility as safety managers is

to deliver information to that

leadership so that they can make

informed decisions if they’re aware of

the conditions in the workplace that

make error more likely they’re going to

be able to address the conditions

instead of creating second victims by

admonishing the workers and that’s the

goal so what do we say about this we

look at it like this I hate to divide

things in binary opposites but sadly

this process of accident review has been

forced into this place if we stay on the

side of judgments

we end up infusing pain distrust and

silence emerges in our system but if on

the other hand our focus is learning and

the questions that we ask move to that

learning place the difference is

profound because then we have trust we

have sharing of information and the

system is richer for it now as I

mentioned I’ve done accident

investigation for 20 years and I bet

some of you are thinking what about

accountability well I can say this about

accountability organizations after an

accident are accountable to learn as

much as they can to prevent the next

accident but let me share one more thing

with you I’ve done a lot of interviews

in those last 20 years hundreds if not

more well hundreds at least and in those

interviews I can tell you one thing

about the people that I’ve interviewed

there is no way that any system can hold

them more accountable than they hold

themselves [Applause]

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