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Cinco papás | Ana Paula Celiz | TEDxRioCuarto


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I want to tell you at home
Carlos and José fell in love to form a
couple live together
they were married by the law of marriage
egalitarian
they always had a great wish a wish
to have a child a son that surely
the one who has lived it
know what it’s about they signed up for
adopt never called him
if it is difficult to adopt in pairs
heterosexuals
imagine what you will try to adapt
being the homosexual couple
the time keeps passing dan with a
fertility clinic and so advise them
that what is best for them
obviously it’s finding a belly and
here we say that he lends us the
Belly not having is difficult and tell
a woman who lends her belly like this
when Maria enters the scene
Maria is very friend of those she has lived with
they are feeling these feelings
this search so important to have a
son and he says yes they are offered
the belly that talked to her husband
with your children who are all in agreement
in that that has no intention of
have another child who does this only
as a pregnant uterus
I the first thing I asked Maria
when I met her, it was going to be done
this I am a woman was pregnant yo
I know what it is about and that answered me
that his sister had had a problem
of very large health and thanks to a
transplant
a person gave him the possibility of
continue living and that one felt in
debt and I wanted to give up life
this good possibility the only thing that
asks as a condition is that the
procedure is not carried out with
ovule because that first one that does not want
feel that your children have a little brother
turning around does not want to have a resemblance
physical with that child that will happen but
what is more the land is that the day of
morning
this child brought to the world can
claim that that is the mom
obviously those access and ask the
fertility clinic that gets them
an anonymous donor of ovules of the same
way in this whole process they feel that
Having a child has nothing to do with donating
contain genes in common but you have to
see with a great desire
then they also ask the clinic
of fertility that get a donor
anonymous sperm to be able to take
out technique now let’s review a little
because maybe there is a mess because
one side we have two people of the same
sex they want to have a child
On the other hand we have a person who
is willing to just do stupid
pregnant and not mother and on the other hand
we have two people who do not know each other
who do not know who they are among them
they plan a son only donate material
genetic and of all this that goes well from
all this we have a baby
if we think to see who they are
the parents of this baby
we have at least five potatoes
and if all this case he tells
perform faithful that our code did
civilian in 1809 said the certain mother is
because we do not form with that
criterion
the woman who has given birth to the child is the
mother and who is the father the father the
that recognizes it as its own but in this
case that I am telling you if I
we make a DNA
this child is the son of the mother who has
neither her son of the two
men who claim to recognize it as
own
then how do we solve it how
we do there we have to resort to the judge
as a third party that does not know Carlos
I do not know I do not know Maria does not know
nothing but has to say good is
all right
note that child as the son of those who
the world would not have it figured
Maria has had a birth in the document
of this baby there will be two dads two
mens
obviously that biologically is
impossible although our country incorporated
the techniques of assisted reproduction
as a form of filiation nothing said what
we do when we need a uterus
we do not have any regulations
then we lawyers have
to come and say sir judge what not
is expressly prohibited
permitted
ditto on permission to write this child
as a son of those who really would like
use their parents from the beginning
then our country after the
2014 reform
we have three forms of filiation is
to say that I can be a father or mother
the natural way that by means of the act
sexual by voice
what do we know as the option and
by reproductive techniques
assisted that is the will
procreational the central axis that goes to
put a person as a father
or mother beyond what she roasted
genetic transfer between them and it’s
so important this consent
informed that couples have to give
who undergo the technique that is
unrenounceable
once the practice was carried out
and the embryo was put in the body of the
woman and it’s because we’ve had
jurisprudential background that
couples who have made use of these
techniques with sperm donation
after they said this son is not mine in
a divorce process for example and there
what happens because although we have to
protect all of them who want to have
a son
you also have to protect the child that
is born these techniques because if not
we think about him girl
we have a creature that is left without
father since we have another point is the
informed consent
it has to be in every technique returned to
sign because because as they are reality
of families are so fluctuating and so
changing that maybe a couple that
I was completely determined
constituted and formed as a family
today they are no longer together and here we do
again another legal vacuum that we do
with the cryopreserved embryos
we won we won for research
We give them to a couple who can not
have children that we do we throw it away
we rule out we force the couple to
equally use them what we do
how many times can a donor be
example we are a small city that is
they started thinking that after
years we can have like almost all
same genes arise many internal
before because they are techniques that
We are new but Argentina is the
country that has achieved the most development
the techniques of assisted reproduction and
we do not have to lose the axis too
central that all these techniques
allow the conformation of the family
what can be different can be
monoparental homoparental can be a
trans family can be a family
heterosexual but they all have a common
denominator that is love and will
to create that family we put you more
accent then in the genes or in the
love that the will to have a child in
this desire to be a father
I think that we have to
less rethink it
I am a little girl mother and I think that
in the future not very close I’m going to
say mom I was invited by a compañerita the
home and I’m going to say good
mom’s phone no mom has two
dads mom good daughter of her mom and a
donor that together with said said that I’m going
to answer I have to prepare truth
I have to prepare because we are not
no one to us and pray for us
power to give or not the right
so I think we do not have to submit
value judgments but that we have
to inform us we have to question
the law has to continue has to
keep moving forward they have to fill
the legal loopholes because I feel that
at least it makes sense that only
explaining and counting this if you
they go from here with many doubts as a
kickoff to generate a
more inclusive society
thank you very much
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