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Ajax Moments | Alison Hockenberry | TEDxTheBenjaminSchool


hello uh you just heard that I’m a

journalist I’m also a wife and a mother

of five children my husband John who you

heard from earlier he and I had two sets

of twins we had four children in less

than three years and then nine years

later we had a little surprise we named

him ajax ajax is sitting right here

today he’s seven now now you’ve probably

heard the word Ajax before maybe you’ve

heard it as the name of a cleansing

powder when you give your child the same

name as a cleaning product that was

introduced around the time your parents

were children yeah you’re kind of asking

for a reaction let me say so so our

parents um

reacted my mother-in-law John’s mother

she was a very talkative lady and she

just gasped when we said we’re naming

our son Ajax she she had five children

herself and she probably went through

many many cans of Ajax cleaning up after

them and I’m guessing she didn’t really

have the most fond associations with the

word Ajax my mother-in-law Nancy

recently passed away and she was a real

force of nature and that but that was

the one time I ever saw her speechless

so she was a little alarmed by the

choice of name my father he can’t quite

bring himself to say his grandson’s name

so he has taken to calling him mr.

Jack’s which I’m not sure Ajax likes

very much my own mother’s response was

Ajax all anyone is going to think of

when they hear that name is that jingle

from the TV commercial and I just

thought what are you talking about what

jingle what TV commercials so of course

I googled it you can search and you can

find these ads from the 50s and 60s on

YouTube um apparently there were Ajax

commercials like a couple of times a day

on TV in the 50s and 60s so my parents

and Jon’s parents would have remembered

them you if you if you look for them on

Google on YouTube they are the most

ridiculous ads you

ever seen it what happens is there’s a

man dressed as a white knight on a white

horse galloping through the streets of

some town and he’s got a long staff with

a flag on it and in one AD he comes

galloping up to this um this guy who

looks like a short-order cook he’s

wearing a very stained apron happens to

be standing outside for some unknown

reason and this white knight comes and

just sort of goes presto and his whole

apron goes from a giant mess of tomato

sauce to sparkling white and in another

one there’s some kids playing on a

suburban street and they’re complete

mess they’ve been playing in mud and

this white knight comes along and just

boom all of a sudden they’re sparkling

clean which makes the kids in this

commercial really happy which I just

highly doubt it right wouldn’t you

rather be messy than like sparkling

white and there’s a jingle with this ad

and it goes something like this

Ajax stronger than dirt which is you

know pretty hilarious

so my Ajax is much stronger than dirt so

but in fact long before Ajax was the

name of foaming cleanser he was the

great hero of the Trojan War and of

Homer’s The Iliad and I’m not sure I

know you guys have been reading The

Odyssey I’m not sure if you’ve read The

Iliad but you may know a little bit

about him

Ajax was a towering figure a very large

man he was full of integrity loyalty

courage and he was the strongest of all

the Achaean warriors it way stronger

than dirt let’s just put it that way in

one battle he defeated the Trojan army

single-handedly kept them at bay he put

himself in great danger again to rescue

the body of his fallen comrade Achilles

according to the Ajax product website by

the way he was quote also known for

marching into battle with the cleanest

uniform on the Adriatic Peninsula yeah

do you buy that because I’m not buying

it I mean I’m not a homer scholar but

and I maybe I missed that in the Iliad

but I highly doubt that when the war

comes to an end

both Ajax and Odysseus who we all know

very well they’re vying for the great

honour of keeping

the armor that had belonged to Achilles

this was a great armor a great honor at

the end of the war and though Ajax could

rightfully claim to have been the

greater warrior the stronger one the

real hero of the war action he wasn’t

much of a public speaker so Odysseus

with his great oratorical skills he was

much more persuasive in making his case

that he should keep the armor and get to

be the real hero of that war and in fact

the Greek Kings awarded that honor to

Odysseus and not Ajax now Ajax for Ajax

this was what we call an epic fail ah

Leggett epic fail for an epic poem right

and of course that resulted in an epic

tragedy Ajax went mad and he killed

himself

sorry Ajax he secured his sword upon the

ground pointed it upward and threw

himself upon it now our theme here today

is muthos the greek word for public

authoritative speaking which has the

power to affect change

so Ajax did not have or experienced

muthos in that moment now in this poem

that is among many other things an

example in a celebration of humans great

tradition and ability to engage in

storytelling Ajax’s powers of

communication completely failed him now

how many of us have experienced an AJAX

moment can you raise your hand have you

ever needed to say something speak make

your case and you couldn’t write we all

have okay so you say something you don’t

mean your words come out mangled you

know and you say to yourself oh I just

want to kill myself

like Ajax did right we all have these

moments in the heat of argument our

words tend to fail us during moments of

pressure as Ajax was undoubtedly feeling

our words often fail us when we’re put

on the spot we’re asked a question that

we don’t expect we get called on in

class or a meeting when we’re not

prepared our words do fail us now a lot

of my work is actually in writing

and editing the written word sometimes I

work in print or online but even in

radio and podcasting and television even

though it sounds like their spoken words

they’re actually usually written ahead

of time as my presentation today in

writing my meaning can usually be really

clear zobelle and probably a lot of you

are this way you take your time you know

like like me you may enjoy crafting a

lovely sentence fitting it into a well

argued paragraph that slows him to just

a whole arc of an essay or an article

choosing what comes at the beginning and

the middle on the end when to add detail

when to pull back when to move things

along these are all to me just among the

great joys of writing and as a I’m a

writer but I’m also an editor and as an

editor my job is to help other people’s

words on the page come across as

elegantly and persuasively as possible

and that’s a collaborative process this

is so different from the way we speak

spontaneously right our ideas are coming

as fast as the words they’re coming at

the same time almost and once the words

are spoken we can’t rearrange them or

edit them or make a change in the

structure of a sentence so about two

years ago I started a new job in a field

I was pretty I was completely new too so

it was still journalism I had done

television and print and now I was in

podcasting and I was going to be in a

position that I had to invent as I went

along most of other jobs I had had

before I either knew the people I was

going to be working with so they knew

what I was good at and what I wasn’t

there was a clear hierarchy so I knew

sort of where I fit in the organization

I learned from the people around me

people above me and people below me and

and often I was working you know with

people who knew me pretty well now in

this new job I had to stake my claim to

Authority on my own I had to be

persuasive

I had to communicate well I had to do a

couple of things authoritative Lee that

I didn’t really have experience doing

and so before I started I thought really

hard about how I wanted to convey a

strength of intellect and authority and

we’re talking about speaking

authoritative lis today what I really

want to do is find ways to avoid those

Ajax moments where the words just don’t

come out right so if you’re like me and

you’re you’re not a person who speaks in

complete sentences and who never falls

back on like and you know and um and

these little verbal crutches to keep us

going you probably aren’t really going

to become such a person without a lot of

practice

now there’s value in speaking

colloquially with UNH’s and likes it can

suggest friendliness and warmth it can

break down barriers between people it

can convey the message that anyone is

welcome to chime in but I knew that I

wanted to change some things about the

way I communicated to be more

authoritative and I wanted to try and

put the same care and thoughtfulness

into speaking as I put into writing what

I settled on that I was going to try and

no longer equivocate now what I’m

talking about is this is something a lot

of young people do and this is something

a lot of women tend to do will preface

our statement with you might not agree

but and then we tell our idea or this is

just off the top of my head but da da da

or I’m not really sure this is such a

good idea

so I want to talk about some of these

things I think probably a lot of you in

this room will do that before you

actually say the thing that you really

the point you want to get across you do

this it equivocation so let’s take this

one you might not agree but well of

course the people around you might not

agree get rid of that don’t say that

that is the point of conversing you’re

sharing ideas that you may or may not

agree with so let’s not say that anymore

another thing that a lot of people say

is well this is just off the top of my

head but you don’t need that either

most of what we say is off the top of my

head you don’t come into a conversation

with a written cheat sheet of what

you’re gonna say ahead of time we are

always reacting to something someone

else said and we almost have never had

more than a few seconds to process that

so you don’t need to say this is just

the top of your head one of the worst

ones is I’m not sure this is a good idea

but okay this undermines the speaker

before the idea has even communicated of

course you don’t know it’s a good idea

it might be it might not part of what

you’re gonna find out by communicating

with others is if it’s a good idea so

what I discovered I try worked really

hard at this actually I was very

deliberate about trying to get rid of

these little I think of them as a throat

clearing before the actual thing I want

to say um and if you try this it’s it’s

it’s actually a little hard to do and

you have to be pretty deliberate about

it and it takes a while but you will

probably find as I did that it gives you

more confidence more authority and that

in turn makes others feel that you are

more authoritative so try it now once I

knew the verbal tics that I wanted to

avoid these little throat clearings um

then I felt I needed to summon the

courage to believe that I actually had

the authority to speak without

equivocation that what I had to say was

very valuable and didn’t need any of

these little disclaimers so what gives

us the authority to speak well there are

the basics we are human we have brains

we have opinions we have ideas and we

can vocalize them but I realize I

thought long and hard about this and I

realized that what gave me the greatest

authority to speak what gives everybody

the greatest authority to speak is our

experiences in particular it’s our

experiences our experiences listening to

other voices so I’m going to share a

couple of examples from my career in

journalism that that gave me some

authority to speak about topics in

conversation so quite a long time ago

this was about 20 years now before John

and I were married we were we were

colleagues at ABC News and we did a few

stories together one of them we went out

to the heartland of America to do a

story about a rise in teenagers having

babies there was a sudden spike in this

and the trend was generating a lot of

news coverage and a lot of hand-wringing

in the country now

babies born to unwed teen mothers are

significantly more

likely to be poor to be behind in school

to get into drugs and crime to suffer a

whole host of disadvantages that will

make it harder for them as they get

older and we thought we’d go to a place

where the unwed teen birthrate was about

the national average at this time was

about a third of all babies in this

particular in in the country were being

born to unwed teen mothers and we

thought will will hold the grown-ups

feet to the fire in this town will

really demand to know what’s going on

what is being done about it what’s

behind this trend we found ourselves in

Sioux City Iowa and we had set up

interviews ahead of time with a wide

variety of people in town the first

person we interviewed was a juvenile

court judge very thoughtful soft-spoken

guy who’d been in his job for a little

about 16 or 17 years and he was starting

to see teenagers in his courtroom who

were getting into trouble and those kids

in his courtroom were the children of

teenagers he had seen in juvenile court

early in his career and he was noticing

something very clear which is and this

was clear from the statistics but he saw

it in his courtroom and that was that

many troubled teens eventually wind up

having their own troubled teens and he

spoke at length about an idea he had to

resolve this and he thought that people

should not be able to enter into

parenting lightly and that you should

have to get a license just like you have

to get a driver’s license that you’d

have to take classes pass a test and you

couldn’t have a kid unless you had a

license to do so and it’s not very

practical but he was very persuasive it

was a compelling argument and I think he

was genuinely heartbroken to see this

next generation of problems and then we

met with a political leader who argued

that it was government financial support

for poor young parents that was

providing an incentive for teenagers to

become parents before they were ready to

support them and he too made a very

compelling argument and then we started

meeting with the young mothers these

were girls between the ages of 14 and 16

all with newborns or toddlers not

married to the father of the children

they were not the most sophisticated

talkers they knew they were being

interviewed for a national

television program they were not well

versed in this particular controversy

they didn’t understand it was a trend

they weren’t even aware of the

statistics that we’re going likely to

have the deck stacked against their own

children and John was the interviewer

and when he asked them why they decided

to have a baby not a single one of them

had a well-crafted well-thought-out

answer every single one of them though

had something very important and very

illuminating to say they had not had

these babies because of the financial

incentives nor had they entered into the

decision lightly we were very surprised

that they had made a deliberate decision

to have a baby and here’s why their own

families had been chaotic torn apart by

one or more usually more of the

following divorce substance abuse

violence parental abandonment having a

baby for them was their way to create a

loving lasting relationship something

they craved desperately now this

surprised me and astonished me and was

absolutely not what I was expecting not

a single one of the adults we had spoken

to the judge the politicians some

teachers we spoke to had understood this

important point either they never

mentioned it now as I said these girls

were not persuasive speakers most of

them in the interviews we would call

them Ajax moments what they were having

really not persuasive but and you know

they couldn’t explain the main crux of

this which is why they were having

children so young so none of them

explicitly said they had deliberately

had a baby but they but we listened to

them talk about their backgrounds their

hopes for their children their desire to

be good parents the the chaos in their

own families and we were able to piece

things together to hear their persuasion

by listening to them it turned out that

every single one of the girls we

interviewed had been the child of teen

parents they were born at a time when

there was a lot of pressure to get

married so they had parents who had

married young but then had divorced they

were doing exactly what their parents

had done only a generation later it was

okay to not get married

so now there were other dynamics at work

but um but this was sort of the main the

main point was that they wanted to have

babies we we went back to ABC News and

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reported on this story and it was the

first time nationally that they that

this issue had been raised that this

this made perfect sense to a

fifteen-year-old to have a baby on their

own to fill a need now talk about

persuasive now that’s not at all to

endorse this position the reality was

very it was it was very very important

to the public

discussion but it was also important to

understanding this cry from how for help

from some people who were persuasive but

not articulate about it now it was very

important to me as a journalist and a

believer in persuasion that we need to

recognize these Ajax moments I’m going

to give you another example and another

story John and I worked on together we

were covering the civil war in

Afghanistan a little bit before the

radical Taliban took over that country

we spent an hour – in a Children’s

Hospital in the capital of Kabul and we

had been told that the bombing of the

neighborhood that the hospital was in

usually began in the late afternoon that

day so we were trying to finish up our

filming because we did not want to we

did not want to experience that violence

we had one more interview a boy about 12

or 13 in maybe 14 years old and John

asked him a few questions about the war

how long had been going on if he could

remember a time before it he had lost an

arm and he asked about that and the boy

had very little to say and as a lot of

young people do he just didn’t know

quite how to articulate what he was

experienced at one point he just kind of

shrugged his shoulders and said I don’t

know that’s the way it’s always been

at that very moment a missile whistled

through the air it really made a

whistling sound and it landed probably a

block from this hospital that we were in

this Children’s Ward full of children

and it was it was terrifying and it’s

terrifying for me just a loud piercing

whistle and it sounded as if it were

headed straight toward us and

instinctively I just

on the floor in complete fear and this

shell landed and after a moment I got up

and I was shaking and all the kids in

the ward were laughing now perhaps it

seems silly to them that an adult would

just dive when a missile was coming

perhaps it seemed cartoonish the way I

do have on the floor maybe just this

person whose life is so safe and secure

diving on the floor when these kids had

lived through what they had lived to

just was so absurd that they couldn’t

help laughs they didn’t say much with

words but I will never forget that

laughter because it said so much more

than they probably could have said with

words it spoke of heartbreak cruelty

absurdity violence and mostly resilience

they could laugh and move on so I would

encourage you all to go out and have

experiences that will give you the

authority to be persuasive by listening

to others listening to persuasive voices

of others even if they don’t sound like

the classic muthos you don’t have to

travel too far filling places you can

read I loved hearing from I think Sophia

previous speaker who talked about going

out to a restaurant and conversing with

her grandpa conversing with somebody

whose name is unusual and finding out

about that person’s background so go to

that restaurant try foods that are

unfamiliar to you travel if you can do

things that make you feel a little bit

uncomfortable and listen to other people

now I want to bring this back to Ajax as

I wrap it up not HX the foaming cleanser

and not Ajax the Greek warrior but my

Ajax right here

when Ajax was young he he didn’t talk

much he most kids start talking around a

year old by the time they’re 18 months

they have quite a few words Ajax just

had none he didn’t say much and the

doctors started getting worried and I

wasn’t really worried because I could

see that he was communicating he

understood everything that was going on

he responded he had a great look in his

eye and just as we were about to start

ordering some tests

to see if there was some issue that we

needed to address with him Ajax just

opened up his mouth one day and said one

complete sentence and it was astonishing

and all siblings were around him we just

happened to be here and this little

quiet man who had a prolonged Ajax

moment just spoke and everyone listened

thank you [Applause]

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