yeah hello I was trained as a scientist
and his doctorate in cell genetics
Pasteur Institute and at the same time I
was traveling to the Asia and met some
great Tibetan masters so after a number
of years I thought that was fascinating
to study the genetic of cell division of
bacterias but I became increasingly
interested in the mechanism of happiness
and suffering precisely dealing with the
mind so I decided to do my postdoc in
the Himalayas for last 45 years I think
so and what you do for 45 years in the
Himalaya is basically learning more
about the mind and finding out you know
that we did with our mind from morning
till evening and even though it’s so
crucial to improve the outer
circumstances still our mind can become
our best friend or worst enemy so in a
way to cultivate over the years you know
resilience in the freedom from
afflictive mental state to cultivate
compassion to cultivate know attentive
attention and so forth those are skills
that give you all together the inner
resources to deal with the ups and downs
of life so to have a more healthy and
optimal mind so obviously it has a lot
to do with mental health and so 17 years
ago I came back in the world of science
now collaborating with neuroscientists
and psychologists in the North America
and Europe to study the effect of mind
training meditation and equivalent on
the brain how does it change
functionally and structurally and on
other issues a clinical application so I
become a sort of a total guinea pig and
a collaborator it was a fascinating
adventure but just to come back to the
problem of mental health when I was
doing research for a quite large group
on altruism I was struck by a few
numbers that I heard I read about for
instance the average age for the first
episode of depression in Western world
came from 27 years to 15 years old
that’s create staggering number and then
I was when I was studying such
compassion and and self-harm I came upon
the study showing that 50% of young
Europeans from 15 to 20 or something at
some point in the year in physics self
harm on themselves so clearly those few
things a clear indication of a genuine
issue of getting mental health program
getting at a younger and younger age and
so the causes of that is a hold
fascinating field of study and what
remedy we could offer
thank you very much much sure I’m just
going to ask you a follow-up question
you mentioned neuroscience psychology
meditation you’ve obviously had a great
deal of experience working with
researchers I said that the stigma
attached to cancer diminished when
people realize that you could deal with
it what’s your sense of progress in
dealing with depression for example and
anxiety given these different Sciences
and there’s neuroscience basic
neuroscience the understanding of the
molecules of the channels in the brain
as it were have as much importance as
psychology which is a more global
picture of what’s going on so recently I
joined a symposium on collaborative
studies in San Diego with 1,200 real
scientists no no not too many new issues
of status with psychologists no major
and then there was a review of 30 years
of study of the biosynthetic Galan the
intervention of mindfulness based
cognitive therapy it’s a mixture about
80% of meditation and about 20% of
cognitive therapy – had to deal with the
depression and now many studies have
confirmed but in the in the US and UK
and Canada in Switzerland that the this
intervention that is chiefly focused on
mindfulness can reduce 30 to 40% the
risk of relapse for people who are
please – episode of severe depression
and when you is about the same effect as
medication but the protection effect of
the one year or two remains what if you
stop medication it was and the why has
to do with mental health or the way you
deal with your mind is the main
protective effect become people become
familiar with the process of excessive
rumination and distortions and that are
the indicator the progressive sign that
you are going to be again into
depression when you keep on ruminating
all the time that everything is wrong
and you see the future only in the bleak
way that you develop it yourself all
this rumination through this mindfulness
based cognitive therapy you get now the
tools to deal with that and therefore
you are less vulnerable to fall back
into depression so I thought this was a
very encouraging sign to look after
thirty years of research that’s
wonderful thank you soon hello a
wonderful introduction thank you my name
is Donna Jones and from Vancouver Canada
and my work is with organizational
transformation and leadership
transformation as a consciousness level
in the work that I have been doing I
noticed in organizations where there are
high trust environments safe
psychological safety backup connection
common sense of purpose you’re not going
to find mental illness you’re not going
to find depression in other
organizations where there is more of a
command and control management style of
course you’re going to find it there so
it disturbs you greatly that we’re still
talking about stigma because it seems to
me that it’s just a lazy way of blaming
something and not really looking more
deeply and and and the other question is
related to that and this is where I’d
appreciate your comment is that it seems
to me what we’re really talking about is
are we not simply denying and repressing
the power of the human spirit we have as
a backdrop increased complexity it’s not
going to go away it’s going to get
stronger we have increased uncertainty
because it from a Systems Theory point
of view as things collapse the linear
collapses and more of a wider view
emerges we need everyone on deck to
handle that and those statistics and
particularly the young ones are
extremely disturbing because that is
where the
power comes from side appreciate
comments on asking you thank you very
much okay I’m happy to start with
Matthew if you want to respond to that
and I think everyone can probably have
something to say in response to that
well I think it’s quite clear that the
environment as a usual working
environment specially we know about
burnout may not healthcare burn under
the professional burnout that people
start to blame themselves because it
builds up with the Builder build up but
in fact it is because the environment is
not conducive to expressing your
capacity or you are stuck between the
hierarchy or something that goes on and
it piles up and the end users burnout so
this is not the rotten apples but the
barren that is rot so in that sense of
course a proper environment that is
suitable and we know very well that they
have a place where is happy to work is
also a place where everything goes
better whether you are company or
anything and what it means to be happy
to work usually is a high level of good
quality of human relationship that’s
probably the main factor if everybody is
cooperating sharing information behaving
nicely to each other so in that sense
improving the quality of social of your
own human relation is crucial and so
there are many ways of doing that you
could reinvent organization in a more
organizing where the heretical
machine-type way more like a growing
organism is plenty of endeavors have
been done in that direction
but that shows clearly know the the
twofold two ways of dealing with your
mind and also having the proper
environment and we should not look like
either of those say everything is from
working with the mind or the mind
doesn’t matter because in the end is the
mind that experiences all that and
resilience is a quality of the mind but
we have to do it in a holistic way and
there is no other way
now it’s certainly different atmosphere
in Wall Street and in a in a 2000
monasteries is not the same environment
right they are I know some government
initiatives here and there finds us in
British Columbia in Canada the emotional
intelligence is in the cursus and
they’re also sort of more individual
endeavors but we just read quite a lot
as a education educational person called
mark Greenberg United States doing
emotional literacy he found out that the
children most of the frustration and
sometime conflicts come from not
recognizing the others emotion because
you cannot identify properly you own
emotions so he has little carbs and when
you feel a strong emotion you pull the
card it is surprised fear or contempt
and then gradually were as we become
more literate in their own emotions and
they become more aware of the others and
it works
they also things like the mindfulness
and kindness curriculum that we had
Davidson has been devising with
preschoolers in medicine as a remarkable
effect in dealing with no emotional
disturbances reducing conflict and also
reducing discrimination between your
best friend your less favorite friends
so there’s all of those logon also and
ever and some are accompanied with
scientific studies and on the hands-on
like we started I don’t know about 50
schools in the Himalayas for four
children will make a point that there’s
time for know for meditation for
concentration and also sort of kindness
and it certainly changes the atmosphere
of the class and you will be surprised
also how very young kids ask questions
that others don’t dare to ask anymore
what is time lots of question about that
so those one day they can get answer to
this question it contributes a lot to
their emotional and mental health
emotional balance
thank you very much about the
fragmentation of human relations no a
newborn in a stat5 in Africa is held by
18 percent within 24 hours no with the
family Judy with a father and mother and
one child and the factor of emotional
learning and empathy is sort of at risk
that’s wanting and when you hear that
children be less ten times less in
public arena than thirty years ago
so that’s also sometimes
so for the other thing about the
environment you know again we should not
societies made of individual if you
think I can do nothing then who is going
to start so this is very interesting
study about are you ready to do
something for the environment 20% of
people say yes no matter what you know I
take my bicycle I’ll do something 20%
said don’t care damn and you know if you
have been up in elected recently the 60%
said I will do it if others do it so
that’s what you need a critical mass of
people with strong ID that people can
start to add their to this ID and then
say what that’s the way to go and then
you switched over to 60% and then things
can be done so that’s why the power of
ideas are bringing them in way
articulate way strong way and that
appeal to people is so important to sway
the opinion towards doing something each
individual and weak it has to start with
individuals otherwise how can we be
beyond money dumb ten nine eight and
gentlemen thank you very much for giving
me this opportunity waited a long time
I should out myself here is a
representative of the Christian faith
and draw lines with other faiths Christ
has a body and spirit and we believe
that being the spirit and the soul
should not be set aside they should be
nurtured so there’s a clear link here if
we manage to feed the spirit in the soul
then we can nurture our belief our faith
that enables us to have a relationship
with God so I think that we shouldn’t
see ourselves as computers we shouldn’t
forget that we have a soul and a spirit
thank you very much so I think that
point speaks for itself but if anyone
wants to respond to it especially in
relation to the role of the church I
mean I don’t know I take your point I
think no sometimes the way we speak
about being and give names
of course I think when you speak of soul
is your experience the stream of your
consciousness the dynamic thing that you
have been experiencing throughout your
life but then when we speak of the
becoming more familiar with a deepest
nature of our consciousness that pure
awareness that’s behind the screen of
thoughts you know probably won’t overlap
exactly but anyway we are dealing with
our mind to become a better human being
to be better at the service of others
and I think that’s probably a goal that
we share whether we are believers or we
worry about secular ethics become a
better human being to be a better
element in our societies and contribute to each other’s well-being
and his doctorate in cell genetics
Pasteur Institute and at the same time I
was traveling to the Asia and met some
great Tibetan masters so after a number
of years I thought that was fascinating
to study the genetic of cell division of
bacterias but I became increasingly
interested in the mechanism of happiness
and suffering precisely dealing with the
mind so I decided to do my postdoc in
the Himalayas for last 45 years I think
so and what you do for 45 years in the
Himalaya is basically learning more
about the mind and finding out you know
that we did with our mind from morning
till evening and even though it’s so
crucial to improve the outer
circumstances still our mind can become
our best friend or worst enemy so in a
way to cultivate over the years you know
resilience in the freedom from
afflictive mental state to cultivate
compassion to cultivate know attentive
attention and so forth those are skills
that give you all together the inner
resources to deal with the ups and downs
of life so to have a more healthy and
optimal mind so obviously it has a lot
to do with mental health and so 17 years
ago I came back in the world of science
now collaborating with neuroscientists
and psychologists in the North America
and Europe to study the effect of mind
training meditation and equivalent on
the brain how does it change
functionally and structurally and on
other issues a clinical application so I
become a sort of a total guinea pig and
a collaborator it was a fascinating
adventure but just to come back to the
problem of mental health when I was
doing research for a quite large group
on altruism I was struck by a few
numbers that I heard I read about for
instance the average age for the first
episode of depression in Western world
came from 27 years to 15 years old
that’s create staggering number and then
I was when I was studying such
compassion and and self-harm I came upon
the study showing that 50% of young
Europeans from 15 to 20 or something at
some point in the year in physics self
harm on themselves so clearly those few
things a clear indication of a genuine
issue of getting mental health program
getting at a younger and younger age and
so the causes of that is a hold
fascinating field of study and what
remedy we could offer
thank you very much much sure I’m just
going to ask you a follow-up question
you mentioned neuroscience psychology
meditation you’ve obviously had a great
deal of experience working with
researchers I said that the stigma
attached to cancer diminished when
people realize that you could deal with
it what’s your sense of progress in
dealing with depression for example and
anxiety given these different Sciences
and there’s neuroscience basic
neuroscience the understanding of the
molecules of the channels in the brain
as it were have as much importance as
psychology which is a more global
picture of what’s going on so recently I
joined a symposium on collaborative
studies in San Diego with 1,200 real
scientists no no not too many new issues
of status with psychologists no major
and then there was a review of 30 years
of study of the biosynthetic Galan the
intervention of mindfulness based
cognitive therapy it’s a mixture about
80% of meditation and about 20% of
cognitive therapy – had to deal with the
depression and now many studies have
confirmed but in the in the US and UK
and Canada in Switzerland that the this
intervention that is chiefly focused on
mindfulness can reduce 30 to 40% the
risk of relapse for people who are
please – episode of severe depression
and when you is about the same effect as
medication but the protection effect of
the one year or two remains what if you
stop medication it was and the why has
to do with mental health or the way you
deal with your mind is the main
protective effect become people become
familiar with the process of excessive
rumination and distortions and that are
the indicator the progressive sign that
you are going to be again into
depression when you keep on ruminating
all the time that everything is wrong
and you see the future only in the bleak
way that you develop it yourself all
this rumination through this mindfulness
based cognitive therapy you get now the
tools to deal with that and therefore
you are less vulnerable to fall back
into depression so I thought this was a
very encouraging sign to look after
thirty years of research that’s
wonderful thank you soon hello a
wonderful introduction thank you my name
is Donna Jones and from Vancouver Canada
and my work is with organizational
transformation and leadership
transformation as a consciousness level
in the work that I have been doing I
noticed in organizations where there are
high trust environments safe
psychological safety backup connection
common sense of purpose you’re not going
to find mental illness you’re not going
to find depression in other
organizations where there is more of a
command and control management style of
course you’re going to find it there so
it disturbs you greatly that we’re still
talking about stigma because it seems to
me that it’s just a lazy way of blaming
something and not really looking more
deeply and and and the other question is
related to that and this is where I’d
appreciate your comment is that it seems
to me what we’re really talking about is
are we not simply denying and repressing
the power of the human spirit we have as
a backdrop increased complexity it’s not
going to go away it’s going to get
stronger we have increased uncertainty
because it from a Systems Theory point
of view as things collapse the linear
collapses and more of a wider view
emerges we need everyone on deck to
handle that and those statistics and
particularly the young ones are
extremely disturbing because that is
where the
power comes from side appreciate
comments on asking you thank you very
much okay I’m happy to start with
Matthew if you want to respond to that
and I think everyone can probably have
something to say in response to that
well I think it’s quite clear that the
environment as a usual working
environment specially we know about
burnout may not healthcare burn under
the professional burnout that people
start to blame themselves because it
builds up with the Builder build up but
in fact it is because the environment is
not conducive to expressing your
capacity or you are stuck between the
hierarchy or something that goes on and
it piles up and the end users burnout so
this is not the rotten apples but the
barren that is rot so in that sense of
course a proper environment that is
suitable and we know very well that they
have a place where is happy to work is
also a place where everything goes
better whether you are company or
anything and what it means to be happy
to work usually is a high level of good
quality of human relationship that’s
probably the main factor if everybody is
cooperating sharing information behaving
nicely to each other so in that sense
improving the quality of social of your
own human relation is crucial and so
there are many ways of doing that you
could reinvent organization in a more
organizing where the heretical
machine-type way more like a growing
organism is plenty of endeavors have
been done in that direction
but that shows clearly know the the
twofold two ways of dealing with your
mind and also having the proper
environment and we should not look like
either of those say everything is from
working with the mind or the mind
doesn’t matter because in the end is the
mind that experiences all that and
resilience is a quality of the mind but
we have to do it in a holistic way and
there is no other way
now it’s certainly different atmosphere
in Wall Street and in a in a 2000
monasteries is not the same environment
right they are I know some government
initiatives here and there finds us in
British Columbia in Canada the emotional
intelligence is in the cursus and
they’re also sort of more individual
endeavors but we just read quite a lot
as a education educational person called
mark Greenberg United States doing
emotional literacy he found out that the
children most of the frustration and
sometime conflicts come from not
recognizing the others emotion because
you cannot identify properly you own
emotions so he has little carbs and when
you feel a strong emotion you pull the
card it is surprised fear or contempt
and then gradually were as we become
more literate in their own emotions and
they become more aware of the others and
it works
they also things like the mindfulness
and kindness curriculum that we had
Davidson has been devising with
preschoolers in medicine as a remarkable
effect in dealing with no emotional
disturbances reducing conflict and also
reducing discrimination between your
best friend your less favorite friends
so there’s all of those logon also and
ever and some are accompanied with
scientific studies and on the hands-on
like we started I don’t know about 50
schools in the Himalayas for four
children will make a point that there’s
time for know for meditation for
concentration and also sort of kindness
and it certainly changes the atmosphere
of the class and you will be surprised
also how very young kids ask questions
that others don’t dare to ask anymore
what is time lots of question about that
so those one day they can get answer to
this question it contributes a lot to
their emotional and mental health
emotional balance
thank you very much about the
fragmentation of human relations no a
newborn in a stat5 in Africa is held by
18 percent within 24 hours no with the
family Judy with a father and mother and
one child and the factor of emotional
learning and empathy is sort of at risk
that’s wanting and when you hear that
children be less ten times less in
public arena than thirty years ago
so that’s also sometimes
so for the other thing about the
environment you know again we should not
societies made of individual if you
think I can do nothing then who is going
to start so this is very interesting
study about are you ready to do
something for the environment 20% of
people say yes no matter what you know I
take my bicycle I’ll do something 20%
said don’t care damn and you know if you
have been up in elected recently the 60%
said I will do it if others do it so
that’s what you need a critical mass of
people with strong ID that people can
start to add their to this ID and then
say what that’s the way to go and then
you switched over to 60% and then things
can be done so that’s why the power of
ideas are bringing them in way
articulate way strong way and that
appeal to people is so important to sway
the opinion towards doing something each
individual and weak it has to start with
individuals otherwise how can we be
beyond money dumb ten nine eight and
gentlemen thank you very much for giving
me this opportunity waited a long time
I should out myself here is a
representative of the Christian faith
and draw lines with other faiths Christ
has a body and spirit and we believe
that being the spirit and the soul
should not be set aside they should be
nurtured so there’s a clear link here if
we manage to feed the spirit in the soul
then we can nurture our belief our faith
that enables us to have a relationship
with God so I think that we shouldn’t
see ourselves as computers we shouldn’t
forget that we have a soul and a spirit
thank you very much so I think that
point speaks for itself but if anyone
wants to respond to it especially in
relation to the role of the church I
mean I don’t know I take your point I
think no sometimes the way we speak
about being and give names
of course I think when you speak of soul
is your experience the stream of your
consciousness the dynamic thing that you
have been experiencing throughout your
life but then when we speak of the
becoming more familiar with a deepest
nature of our consciousness that pure
awareness that’s behind the screen of
thoughts you know probably won’t overlap
exactly but anyway we are dealing with
our mind to become a better human being
to be better at the service of others
and I think that’s probably a goal that
we share whether we are believers or we
worry about secular ethics become a
better human being to be a better
element in our societies and contribute to each other’s well-being
Please follow and like us: