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Halting Climate Change with Certificates of Carbon Storage | Stuart Haszeldine | TEDxFindhornSalon


I’m Stuart Hazeldine and I’m going to

talk to you about climate I’m going to

talk to you about climate and carbon

emissions and why we’re failing to clean

up carbon emissions worldwide but how

there’s really two very simple things we

could do to make a success out of our

total failure over the past 30 years and

that that is to introduce a simple idea

to make sure that we actually try to put

the carbon we emit back on the ground

which we’ve signally failed to do so

it’s really simple but it’s a very

powerful idea and we have to do it or

else we failed so we know the cause of

climate change we know that the cause of

climate change is producing lots of

carbon out of the ground and putting

that into the air we’ve produced carbon

out of the ground with industrial

processes making cement out of limestone

turning iron ore into iron and steel

using soil in an adverse way

decarbonizing the soil taking the carbon

out of agricultural soil and also giving

ourselves permission to harvest biomass

trees and agricultural wastes and carry

on burning that and putting that into

the atmosphere but the chief source of

our carbon which we bring up is the

fossil fuel resource of coal and gas and

of oil and we’re producing that at a

totally unprecedented rate never in the

history of the entire world since the

world began has so much carbon been put

into the atmosphere in such a short

period of time they’ve been 5 major

extinction periods where life has been

nearly destroyed in the history of the

earth when we know geologically how fast

the carbon came out in each of those and

we’re now doing it about 10 times faster

and to give you an idea of what that

means on this table I’m representing the

carbon resource with some coal at the

moment we’ve taken out this much

and by taking out this much that’s

produced nearly 1 degree of warming in

the global planetary climate it’s

produced a 30% increase in acidity of

the ocean it’s produced a sea-level rise

by melting ice of about 15 centimeters

set to go on to be 1 2 or 5 meters by

the end of this century and it’s moving

belts of ecosystems faster than life can

carry on and will cause extinction if we

do nothing in the next 15 years

we’ll have produced another okay from

1750 to now next 15 years and in by 2040

2050 will be way past the safe limit

okay and to give you an idea of how much

that means here’s a bag of coal we used

to burn but lots of coal in the UK this

is 125 kilo bag on average for all the

energy we use in the world everybody

burns 50 of those bags each year but

because of the disparity of wealth you

probably burn about 500 of those bags

people in India burn five but 50 of

those bags per years the energy you use

just to give you some idea of that and

we need to bring that down just to 1 or

2 bags per person so what can we do

about this we’ve produced lots of fossil

fuel lots of carbon we need to find some

way of catching that car and putting

that back in the ground so what can we

do about that how can we do that we know

as a species as humans were really

really inventive we’re good at working

together we can do impossible things

it took us just 15 years to decide we

wanted to move off earth and go to the

moon to send one or two people to the

moon we did that there’s a footprint ok

we can do strange and unusual things but

clearly climate change and solving that

is much more difficult than going to the

moon because we’ve known about climate

change since the middle 1800s we’ve been

able to scientifically measure the

changes of climate and the increase of

temperature of the world very well since

the 1950s

we’ve been able to understand the

detailed changes of climate belts in

ocean acidification since the middle

1970s we’re still emitting more and more

and more and more carbon each year than

we’ve ever done before but there is some

hope we’re a very cooperative species in

December 2015

197 countries in the world came together

in Paris to talk about climate justice

about the inequality of climate change

about how we could scientifically and

technologically do something about that

at that meeting it was agreed uniquely

that all those countries would pledge to

work together to keep climate change to

less than 2 degrees of warming around

the world and to really try hard to keep

that less than 1.5 one and a half

degrees so there’s an intention but

nobody knows how to make that intention

happen so we’re still emitting more

carbon dioxide now per year than we were

in 2015 here’s a graph which tries to

show that vertically up the left-hand

side is the number of millions of tonnes

of carbon dioxide per year horizontally

is the calendar years the black line

shows us where we’ve come from you can

see there’s a relentless increase year

after year to 2016 and if we do nothing

we follow the red line and that’s the

pathway to extinction and failure and

turning the world into a very different

place that’s a pathway to 6 degrees

warming or even 8 degrees of warming

nobody knows the pledges in Paris add up

to the dashed line in the middle those

pledges are well intentioned don’t know

how to deliver them but they add up to

still 4 degrees of warming ok twice

what’s necessary what we need to be on

is the blue line we need to be on the

blue line to get our carbon emissions

down starting now to go down and down

and down and as you can see from the

right hand side to actually become

negative to actually recapture carbon

from air that we’ve already emitted

because we’ve already emitted too much

carbon

we’ve already stacked

the earth to warm to more than one

degree maybe even and in ten years time

it will be more than one and a half

degrees so we have to do things quickly

we need to reduce our carbon dioxide

emissions quickly and we need to take

car already emitted carbon out of the

air that’s difficult we don’t know how

to do that but I think we’ve got at

least two ways of doing that I’ll

explain in a minute

an example of what we can do is actually

here in Scotland Scotland is one of the

leading countries in the world the top

six countries in the world to be

successful in reducing its carbon

dioxide emissions where we came from

on the left in 1991 we had about double

about 80 million tons a year of carbon

dioxide emission we’re now in 2017

halfway down our trajectory about 40 to

45 percent down we’ve reduced an immense

amount of carbon emission and we’ve done

that by changing our energy use by

changing the way we generate electricity

for moving away from coal and gas moving

into renewables and generating

low-carbon electricity but we can’t get

down that graph just by generating

electricity more and more electricity

because what’s left if some is energy

that’s predominantly heating our houses

some is transport some is agriculture

and the way we use land and fertilizers

some is the big industries and the way

we make plastics and fertilizer and

paper and glass and some is residential

houses we all know we’ve got very poor

quality leaky heat housing so just

making more electricity’s not going to

be good enough so we can capture more

carbon and change these processes but

what we can also do as well as reducing

the positive emissions and catching

those we can increase our negative

emissions we can increase the recapture

of carbon we can increase our recapture

by using biomass and forestry burning

that and capturing the carbon taking the

carbon out of the air into trees putting

the tree putting the carbon underground

we can increase our carbon capture by

increasing our peatland

by locking up carbon in peat we can

increase our carbon capture by putting

carbon

back into agricultural soil with biochar

with long live charcoal we can do that

by capture carbon by increasing the

weight of rate of weathering of rocks

which naturally capture carbon says lots

of things we can do and in Scotland if

we wanted to I’m sure we can get down to

zero carbon emissions by 2040 so there’s

plenty of things we can do but we need

to make it happen so how are we going to

make it happen

well we know where the culprits are we

know our main culprits are in big

industry petrochemical plants like in

Grangemouth in central scotland big

combustion plants worldwide like this

one in England we’ve closed down a lot

of our big ones in Scotland but still

plenty in Germany United States China

and we also know that we burn gas in our

houses we can’t we can not carry on

doing that burning methane gas that

emits carbon we cannot carry on burning

petrol and diesel in our cars that emits

low carbon so but if we want to carry on

using the benefits of those carbon fuels

which have brought us immense wealth of

brought us immense transport ability we

have to then be able to burn those fuels

and capture the carbon and put that back

in the ground we have to put a lid on

our carbon ok so in principle that’s

what we need to do the first thing we

need to do is reduce our emissions by

catching the carbon and putting that

underground and again more good news

that’s already being done since 1996

between midway in the North Sea between

Scotland and Norway the oil companies

Statoil has been producing oil from the

Red Rock underground in this cross

section of the earth produces oil up

those bore holes brings the oil to the

surface in the oil rig on the seabed

there and strips out carbon dioxide from

that oil and then re-inject that carbon

dioxide into the horizontal blue layer

which is a salt water filled sandstone

one kilometre down so that capture

separation of carbon dioxide

pressurizing it 270 atmospheres the same

as a pressure in the fire extinguisher

re-injecting that liquefied carbon

dioxide into the ground is

straightforward we know how to do that

it’s been operating for 20 years without

any faults whatsoever

and cane that captures and injects 1

million tons of Europe so that’s good

great job 10 out of 10 for doing that

all we need is a thousand of those ok we

also can capture carbon from air with

machines we can recapture carbon from

air we can do it with trees we can do it

by weathering rocks but here in

Switzerland is one of the very first

machines to do that so this machine

takes in normal air through that battery

of fans passes the air across chemicals

to absorb the carbon dioxide and

captures 600 tons of carbon dioxide

every year again we can do that that’s

the first in the world to do that it’ll

become quicker for the camisa it’ll

become cheaper that’s how technology

develops but we know we can recapture

carbon from the air with lots of

different ways so why isn’t this

happening here’s a map around the world

showing all the carbon dioxide capture

test pilots scientific tests which have

worked at ten one tonne 10 tonnes a

hundred tons a thousand tonnes and have

then stopped we know how to do this all

those pilots have worked we’re now

capturing 40 million tons a year of

carbon dioxide from the air and putting

from industrial processes and putting

that back underground but we need that

to be a hundred times faster 200 times

faster and 200 times bigger and what’s

stopping it is that nobody makes any

money so clearly people need paid lots

of money to capture the emissions which

they’ve got paid to produce they need

paid to capture those and put that back

underground nobody’s going to save the

planet for charity so this means

thinking about money so governments are

good with money they make lots of rules

they make it very complicated so this is

what Europe does Europe said across all

of Europe will regulate the co2

emissions what we’ll do is we’ll make

you pay a certain amount of money to

carry on polluting the atmosphere if you

want to put a ton of carbon dioxide in

the atmosphere

we’ll make you pay for a certificate an

allowance

if you can’t pay if you’re an industry

which can’t pay like cement claims they

can’t pay we’ll give you a certificate

so you can carry on putting a ton of

carbon dioxide into the atmosphere and

we’ll also then let companies trade with

each other so if company a has invested

in making their plant more efficient and

has reduced their carbon dioxide

emission they’ve got some spare

allowances so they can sell those to

Company B who’s not bothered to be more

efficient it’s not bothered to clean up

so company B can pay a few hundred euros

and carry on emitting the carbon dioxide

this is the wrong way round you

shouldn’t be buying allowances to carry

on behaving badly

you should be penalized and made to put

the carbon dioxide back in the ground

this scheme is a total failure in terms

of achieving the result it’s

economically terrific but it’s

environmentally useless two out of ten

no use okay at UK what does the UK do UK

were great at taxing stuff we like tax

the UK had the benefit of billions of

tons of coal and carbon dioxide for our

industrial revolution since 1750 we dug

that up emitted that were culpably

responsible for more carbon dioxide

emissions than any other people in the

earth we then discovered oil and gas in

the North Sea and since the 1970s here’s

our production our tax take from the

North Sea the government taxed that

carbon production from the North Sea

that’s about 80 percent so on average

we’ve gained about 10 billion pounds a

year from that tax during the North Sea

production from the middle 1970s up till

today okay the government gained a huge

amount of money and it’s spent and

recycled on climate mitigation and

cleaning up the climate it’s spent

approximately zero so what happens is

the government finds a resource and gets

a company to develop and produce the

resource it could be oil it could be

cold it could be shale gas in the future

a government taxes that production and

then takes the money and does whatever

it wants with it it could spend it on

hospitals or schools and

it’s good it could spend it on wars and

roads which is less good but what it

doesn’t do it does not recycle the money

back to mitigate and remove the effects

of the bad effects of that environmental

effects of that carbon production so the

message is that you cannot trust the

government with money the government

takes your money and spends it on

whatever it wants to do and what we need

to do is find a way to that money does

not go into other topics we need to put

that recycle back into climate tax does

not store carbon tax just creates money

what we need to do is get away from

money not let the government near it and

we need to use law instead of tax so

here’s my proposition the proposition is

we need to invent something which

balances extraction of carbon with

injection of carbon ok so that’s the

very simple proposition so we know where

the carbon comes from it comes from oil

it comes from gas it comes from coal it

comes from shale gas and we need to find

ways of transferring all of that

extraction into being injection to be in

balance we also know who does this we

know that 108 fossil fuel producers big

companies household names are

responsible for 62 percent of the global

greenhouse gas emissions since the

beginning of the Industrial Revolution

so we know who they are

we know where they live I’m very keen on

paying tax for environmental cleanup I

like to have my rubbish taken away I’ve

got a wheelie bin I sought out my

rubbish into recycling bits and it gets

taken away and I pay money for that and

that’s fine and I pay money for that

also because that avoids landfill tax

was 20 years ago

all of that rubbish went into landfill

we now charge landfill at 75 pounds of

turn we’d pay tax on that by charging

money that’s not driven everybody out of

business that’s created lots and lots of

jobs in recycling doing the right tax

for the right reasons creates wealth so

if we do nothing and it fails we have

rubbish in the street and we’re told

that

has to pay i’m the polluter I should pay

but actually in Europe the people who

make the stuff have to pay for the

cleanup so it by law in Europe if I make

a washing machine or I make a car and

I’m the company doing that I have to

design in the recycling I have to take

responsibility for the cleanup I have to

take responsibility for the

environmental damage so I say that the

producer pays not the polluter the oil

and gas and coal companies should be

active in cleaning up the damage so I

propose key proposal as well as

capturing carbon we should certificate

carbon so we create a certificate which

creates a market for co2 storage this is

the missing market worldwide nobody gets

paid for storing carbon we need to pay

people for storing carbon so here’s the

certificate you give this certificate to

every tonne of carbon extracted as coal

gas oil or biomass carbon that’s a

national certificate that we in the UK

give to the company who then as an

environmental certificate we give it to

them where it’s free of charge it’s not

a tax if any carbon gets extracted in

our country if any carbon gets brought

into our country each ton has a

certificate free of charge but with the

certificate comes an obligation and the

obligation of that certificate is that

you the company have to store a

percentage of that carbon and we the

government will decide on that

percentage it’ll start off very small

but it’ll increase that it’ll increase

to be something meaningful so to expand

on that on the left hand side if you’re

producing coal or oil or gas and then

you make something and you store the

equivalent carbon in China or in South

Korea no problem

nobody know money changes hands that

good deed is done if you bring those

goods in or especially if you bring the

carbon into our country we put that

environmental certificate on where

enters the European Union or enters the

UK if you store the carbon at our

prescribed rate no money changes hands

you’ve done the right thing you’ve

created a carbon market you found the

cheap

way and the best way of storing that

carbon but if you don’t do that we

charge you big money the tax on the top

okay if you don’t behave properly you

get fined so we start off small we ask

companies to store 0.25 one quarter of

one percent of the carbon they bring in

or extract one quarter of one percent

and that’s chosen because that’s one

borehole storing 1 million tonnes a year

that borehole in the North Sea I talked

to you about

it’s very easy to do that because we’ve

done it for the past 20 years we start

off small

it’s a tiny amount of money but we can

grow that after that’s been working

established and working two years later

three years later we do we want to store

1 percent of the carbon three years

later we store five percent of the

carbon three years after that we can

store 10 percent of the carbon we can

hit our carbon reduction targets really

easily by doing this progressively

slowly predictably it’s what companies

always say they want they want certainty

so here’s certainty we’ve got the

information we know where the carbon is

coming from we know who imports it it’s

a very direct and controllable action

the government hardly needs to employ

anybody to do this it’s competitive

companies compete for the cheapest

possible storage cost of carbon because

that’s creating their effective carbon

market they’ll be better than the next

company and of course that’s least cost

to all of us and of course what that

does is it stores the carbon and it can

apply to the recaptured from air carbon

as well any stored carbon is good carbon

so this is an easy thing to do but it’s

a bold thing to do and it’s so bold and

so simple that the government will not

want to do it but it’s so bold and so

simple that how can we avoid it okay so

to finish off and say what I’ve said we

have to puncture this carbon bottle

bubble we have to make one turn out

equal one turn in to go into balance

we’ve been spectacularly successful at

producing gas and shale gas at producing

oil at producing coal feeding that into

the bath of the common atmosphere

we all share worldwide which is

overflowing with carbon dioxide and what

we now need to create through this

certificate scheme is a way of taking

that carbon dioxide out of the bath and

putting that back into the ground where

it came from so certificates of storage

to create the storage carbon market or

what’s needed and I propose that all

governments should do that and that is a

way of meeting their Paris agreement

easily cheaply and on the right time

scale thank you very much

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