where today we’re breaking down the
season finale of The Walking Dead are
people still watching it I can tell you
for sure that there is two people in the
office still watching it and they’re
with me today I’d like to introduce Matt
the adequate host of the cinephiles
and Mike the host of nothing I’m Neil so
guys Walking Dead Season 8 has come to a
wrap it’s been a long and kind of like
exciting trip to it arduous arduous so
what are our thoughts what are what are
we thinking let’s do a quick little
recap of the season very quick though
let me start this off sure what’s to
talk about
so I was super pumped with the end of
season 7 where the Alexandrian they come
together with the kingdom and all them
and they fight back against vegan vegan
gets in his truck and drives away
yeah flips the bird which is classic
Meighan and then he has all of his
troops and he’s like we’re going to war
boys and you’re like oh man they’re
gonna murder the Alexandria’s there’s no
way they’re outnumbered like 10 to 1 the
season starts the good guys are winning
they’re winning they trap him in his
little house there they shoot the
windows and was like a broken glass or
whatever they’re doing inside it just
drags it was just a postponed everything
so it’s a dragon the season was 16
episodes two of eight and eight I think
it should have been more condensed but
they’re not gonna do that it could have
been like Netflix where it’s tempest
ODEs and you binge it do you binge these
16 episodes you’re sleeping Matt are you
outside of Mike or you’re on the yeah
I’d agree with Mike um it was definitely
a snoozer of a season and especially you
know because it was such a snoozer was
like okay the finale they’re there
they’re coming out guns a-blazing and it
just wasn’t like that I honestly think
this episode this finale is the moment
the show just completely jump so you
think this is the moment where it’s in
so let’s get into this finale so the
finale is marketed it’s all negan versus
Rick yeah this is where it’s gonna go
down this is the episode everybody you
know like cancel your Sunday plans stay
in so for me rick has become kind of
like a likable terrible character it’s
like you understand him but it’s like
why are you making
all these stupid decisions now like ya
clean your act up yeah and negan’s
become a bit about bit the comedic
relief like they give him these terrible
dialogue these horrible one-liners which
Jeffrey the Morgan you execute
beautifully there’s no need that props
to you forgiving good like yeah but was
this episode what you were waiting for
was this like this is the I’m satisfied
I can’t wait I definitely say no Mike I
know no Minh on paper of what happened
it was kind of built up to be kind of a
battle of the bastards from Game of
Thrones which was every way and it was
just full flat it was totally flat where
they’re at the bottom of the hill
they’re surrounded then there’s like
that last-minute save and you’re like oh
what happened and you know nobody dies
which is really surprising this show is
all about characters dying yeah kill
anyone for the finale yeah there’s a
very little emotional impact in the
finale like I get what you’re saying the
kind of we’re hoping at least that the
comparison between this finale and the
walk and unstoppable like it would
happen you know on some level do you
find that your you guys are finding
yourselves a bit tired of these
characters are you emotionally detached
as the characters become a bit too much
like for me I think that all these
characters are playing characters of
what they were in past seasons like you
kind of don’t care about the arcs that
these characters are going through
anymore cuz they’re introducing so many
side profile care yeah that the main
characters tend to like and then those
characters die yes you don’t get
attached to any of these people so
you’re like okay so this guy died and it
bothered you but what does this do for
the show as a whole like are you I feel
like they’re giving you character
developing moments that don’t develop
the characters that actually move the
characters backwards well two things
first this was the chance to clean house
kill all the characters don’t cover
Gabriel has to go
I’m tired of Gabriel Eugene had to go
yeah I know they kind of gave him some
sort of like he’s back from the dark
side but he needs to go a lot of these
characters needs to go make it a tighter
show right and character and the ones
that are there they keep going in
circles Morgan for example you know life
is sacred I kill everybody with my stick
I slashed your throats for no reason
when they’re giving up life is sacred
like it keeps going back and forth that
where else can you go I don’t care where
else
could go the walking dead yeah which is
another mess of a story you’re not gonna
get into that exactly but they tried to
do like a expanded universe where like
they kind of trail off we have cameos
from these still doing the circle thing
he’s like I don’t want to be around
people I gotta be around people young
people so there was another show I’m
around people that’s great basically
they took a bad character and put him in
a bad show so now we completely don’t
care about lead to the lead now it seems
like well I’m gonna be honest with you
guys I don’t watch for the walking dead
cuz it’s terrible and let’s move on so
the show comes to an end yeah and
something interesting happens with it
within the main characters right I’ll
leave that off to you what do you guys
think I think it went from a build up to
all-out war and like the posters were
more exciting than the actual war you
know where they’re all like yeah faces
yeah all that work and now it’s Civil
War right they got three characters they
got Maggie Jesus and Daryl and they’re
plotting against Rick which doesn’t make
sense well it makes sense for Maggie
because of what happened to Glenn Daryl
was a prisoner so it kind of makes sense
for him Jesus there’s no reason Jesus
would be at the table Jesus would yeah I
mean my thing it was sense to me the
reason why they’re bringing in Jesus I
think is because he’s rapidly becoming
one of the one of the favorites like
fans kind of just like him
they kind of just like this character
yeah a little bit mysterious he’s always
like oh I’m in a bind
but I can get out of this ain’t no
problem but it’s weird because they’ve
built this character up to be almost
like literally like a Jesus like oh I
love people so much we don’t always have
to kill them there are other ways we can
live together and I feel that that was a
big issue in this season and especially
the season finale is just so many
characters we’re flip-flopping between
like ideologies over and over and over
again you know and I think that among
other reasons in the finale is why the
show would jump the shark because like
you mentioned you have Maggie you have
Jesus and you have Daryl who’s like by
far the most favorite of the whole show
they’re like plotting what some would
say like murder against Rick and
Michonne because they let negan live and
I just feel like yes I agree that that
having this Civil War thing kind of
makes sense just so that the show goes
in a different direction
which I liked but the fact that these
guys are such a tight-knit family like
literally they’re a family now but now
you have these three
we’re gonna potentially kill the leader
who helped you through this whole thing
that’s a huge problem I have with the
walking dead is these back and forth
kind of like disgusting character
development moments right yeah so you
have Rick who’s been almost like a a
brother to Daryl throughout the whole
show and he’s like you’re my real
brother I feel it yeah we have a
crazy-cool bond and then you have Maggie
who has kind of always looked up to Rick
after she lost her father and he’s like
okay Rick is gonna steer us in the right
way
yeah I get it you lost Glen and Daryl
you know it’s like I get it you were
tortured I understand these things but I
doubt them going up against Rick
justifies a good development of their
characters I’m not some kind of like you
know like crazy writer but I just find
like that that for me was like the final
nail in the coffin because I’m like I’ll
give the season finale a chance maybe
it’ll get me back into the show but when
I saw that I’m like oh so I don’t know
where we’re just going against Rick
right yeah okay cool that’s fine I’m not
down with it and that’s what completely
detachment from the show yeah I didn’t
read it that they’re gonna try to kill
Rick they’ll try to marginalize them or
get him out like you know it is Judith
they’re not gonna yeah they’re so tight
I didn’t read it that way I think Rosita
should’ve been at the table instead of
Jesus because she has a beef for Abram
yeah I rewatched the episode where Glenn
and Abram get their head smashed in
after that finale and I’m like your
Bloods boiling as a fan there’s no way
they would forgive that like I
understand their motivations totally but
if it does involve overthrowing Rick and
potentially killing him and I just think
that’s absolutely absurd so here we are
okay let’s let’s wrap this up so pretty
much the Walking Dead it is what it is
it’s gonna go on forever it has its own
spin-off show has its own talk show
season 9
I’m completely attached I gave season 8
a chance I gave the finale a chance I’m
gone I’m out here’s my question to you
guys are you guys still in cuz you’re
only gonna have yourselves talk about it
with so you guys gotta figure out so
either you guys stay on it together as
much as I don’t agree with this kind of
Civil War thing I do feel it’s like a
very fresh take on on the story because
it’s just it’s not like Oh new group
finds their home and tries to steal it
you know so it’s like
nice fresh take on it I’m gonna give it
another shot
you get another shot it’s been eight
seasons that I’ve been with it so it’s
like it feels it feels weird if I were
to stop now you know it’s long in the
tooth it’s the eighth season but I could
give it one more season if they go on
more than one season I’m out have one
season where they’re trying to rebuild
make all their windmills and all that
stuff
deal with the negan thing deal with the
Rick thing and how you know they don’t
agree with them I’ll keep watching I
have my cable box so so you’re committed
you already said your AMC all the way
commit you’re kind of like I’m in it now
we’re gonna keep going and I’m out guys
thanks a lot for coming on make sure you
catch the cinephiles extended cut that
posts Fridays and Myka always watches TV
so he’ll be on a bunch of these and I’m
many so thanks a lot for joining us and we’ll see you next time