of your life like most people won’t so
that you could spend the rest of your
life like most people can’t my name is
Ashe John Carver solution founder and
CEO of WatchMojo and in this interview
series we sit down and talk to the men
and woman who stand in the arena and
discussed the struggles setbacks and
eventual successes the experiences
entrepreneurs in my many years running
WatchMojo I’ve spent more time in New
York than in any other city making
friends with some of the most talented
hustlers and builders in town while New
York City grown to the capital finance
and media by the late 20th century home
to some of the world’s largest
corporations the city has also served
home to some of the greatest
entrepreneurs the world’s ever known
indeed in the 21st century in the wake
of back-to-back shocks of the financial
world Manhattan has seen a slow but
steady shift back to its entrepreneurial
roots showcasing the vision drive
execution and persistence required to
succeed unlike some of the other
entrepreneurs I will be featuring I’d
actually never met Anthony scare Moochie
before sitting down with him
scaramouche II burst onto the scene like
a comet in a tumultuous 11 day stint as
White House director in the summer of
2017 after graduating from Tufts and
Harvard and a stint at Goldman Sachs the
moot went on to launch not one but two
hedge funds first Oscar management and n
skybridge so I guess the first question
I want to ask you is if America was a
stock is it it at an all-time high is it
at a 52-week high so is it in the toilet
where is it screaming buy me crazy this
is the most unbelievable country in so
many different ways you know what the
greatest thing about the country is who
cares of the politicians are these guys
set the thing up so brilliantly that
doesn’t really matter this is gonna
march forward with great technological
advancement medical advancement
infrastructure advancement we’re gonna
live in a world of abundance in 50 to
100 years I may not see it you’ll
probably see it but it’s it’s
unbelievable what’s going on here now
one of the issues that we have know is
that we’ve got to start to make sure
that we restructure a little so that we
keep an equal opportunity agenda you’re
never gonna get any equal outcomes
okay you can’t systematize that you
can’t politicize that there’s no system
in five thousand five hundred years of
history where you get an equal outcome
so if you got liberal Millennials or
generation C people wake up there’s no
equal outcomes okay but there is an
opportunity to create equal opportunity
we have to do more of that but this is
an unbelievable by okay so I definitely
country’s a homerun we’re gonna talk a
lot about America your family came here
my family keep left Iran in 78 went to
Canada and through Spain we had it easy
my dad worked for the Spanish Embassy so
a lot other people have to come in harsh
realities are you a citizen I’m a Canaan
citizen Canadians you know I’m here you
like living here in New York right I
Love New York I find USA is still the
best country in the world the best it’s
the best but cab is probably the best
country to live in because you don’t
have the extremes though the one problem
between the United States and Canada not
a problem between the countries but the
way you analyze these countries is this
country the United States became a super
super power after the end of the Second
World War and so we made a decision and
it was a benevolent decision to engage
in the global community and to build the
infrastructure for peace in our
civilization and so we built up a lot of
acronyms or there’s WTO the UN UNESCO
all of these great world organizations
the World Court and we built this
infrastructure piece of our prosper
society and we were a great beneficiary
of being a most super powers in the
modern world or Island super powers we
are a island continent just look at the
map okay so we had this unbelievable
resources as great footprint and we’re
the last standing industrialized country
so we set it up in a way that was very
non-traditional we we spent
infrastructure money outside the US with
the Marshall Plan and then we uneven the
trade deals around the you world we said
okay we’ll accept goods and services
flowing freely into the US but our goods
and services are going to be in bar goed
because we need to benefit mankind by
creating a global middle class
and economic interdependence II in the
system 71 72 years later it’s been a
phenomenal success the Canadians by the
way have contributed they’ve contributed
militarily they’ve always put their
forces and troops on the ground when we
asked them for help but they didn’t bear
that burden okay of building that system
for the world and so now that system is
changing it has to be RER connected
again
so you basically touched on the theme of
exporting peace which I definitely want
to get into but let’s just go back you
mentioned being at Goldman before that
you were at Harvard and you’ve been at
the White House those are three of the
top institutions what’s the one trait
you think that you need to get into
those organizations the top institution
that I came from was a mental
institution it was 72 Webster Avenue
okay that was the house that I grew up
in and my parents to live in okay that
was the top institution okay
I beat every one of those houses and
every one of those schools okay but
what’s the question what’s the one trade
skill said the one thing you need to get
into those like is it intelligence is
the persistence is it luck is it you got
to know the right people
hey let me tell you something you know I
can give you all the cliches in the
world you got to go forward man you got
to go forward my life is so improbable
and so many weird twists and turns have
happened to me well let me tell you some
when I hit the ground you got to make a
decision you made out of China you made
it a glass or you rubber rubber ball me
I’m a rubber Superboy you know I’m gonna
hit the ground
no expect you stand the ground too long
okay so that’s the number one thing it’s
not what happens to you in life ash it’s
what you do with what happens to you in
life okay so I’m getting bounced from
the white house I’m fired I’m
humiliating 45 major newspapers non-stop
repetition on all the news media you
know is brutal
but I said a few coarse words I was
caught on a recorded phone line by a
nefarious reporter and so Kelly use that
to fire me that’s cool it’s his right I
never complained about it talked very
well about him but I’m walking out now
it’s a week later I’m on the fourth
Street or 3rd Street Promenade in Santa
Monica my 25 year old son who work for
Google is now with Peter Diamandis is
going to Stanford business
in September he’s got his arm around me
me this hey pops are you okay pops are
you okay
I said AJ now am i okay watch what I do
with this it’s gonna be a learning
lesson for you that no matter what
happens okay they want to roll me in
broken glass they want to say mean and
nasty things about me who cares I don’t
have cancer you had an unbelievable life
read Victor Frankel’s book man and the
search for meaning of life this guy had
to walk out a concentration camp they
took the fillings out of his teeth and
he came to the United States and built
themselves off from nothing so so
refresh your attitude refresh your
optimism refresh your passion in your
life and don’t take it too seriously you
know Mel Brooks is an amazing line you
want to hear it relax ash none of us are
getting out of here alive
okay we hear that line before chorus if
okay that’s it run it that way I wanted
to know a little bit more about that
famous interview he referred to I
wondered if there was something
subconscious going on
you mentioned the nefarious journalists
and that was that a cry for help did you
want out because once you got in you
realize just how cancerous yes I was
it’s actually a lot of people said that
to me that that was a cry for help that
was actually the very opposite of a cry
for help that was me
somebody said to me the other day that
I’m politically naive I was like that’s
completely wrong I’m politically naive
to the 10th power
I’m exponentially politically naive I
picked up the phone this was Frank Liz’s
son he knew my father for 50 years he
grew up in the same neighborhood as me
he was an Italian kid I picked the phone
to call him to ask him how did the
private dinner get leaked
okay and I didn’t need his sources I
just wanted to feel him out and we were
joking on the phone with each other you
can listen to the tape he wrote it up
like I was like some kind of uh names
lunatic and blah blah blah I mean all
this nonsense listen to the tape he
recorded it we flushed out the tape
Chris Cuomo looked at him I said dude
this isn’t it somebody wrote wrote it
like it was salaciously unhinge the guy
was talking to you regular neighborhood
II definitely a little bit of profanity
in there I mean I told him bit of fake
news about Steve man I mean
you do what I said but I mean other than
that they’ll be impressive the but but
it was very evaluative of what these
people are like I know how to evaluate
talent I’ve started from scratch two
businesses so that was very far from a
cry for help that was help in the
opposite way I had built a nine-page
comms plan
I understood the president’s personality
I knew we had to clean out the cultural
misfits inside the room they were only
caring about themselves the number one
thing you got to do when you’re starting
up you got to create the right culture
and we’re previous did is he created the
absolutely wrong culture he was a very
paranoid guy very very insecure and the
way you get power in life ash you got to
give it away it’s only way to get power
okay I ran skybridge I hosted Wall
Street week I ran the salt conference I
had a podcast I was on the president’s
executive transition team and I was
fundraising for the president and I was
one of his top media surrogates during
the transition no way you can do all
those things you got a delegate give
power away and you got to hold people
accountable for it then you got to have
enough self-confidence that the people
around you we’re not gonna bag you ID if
you’ve got insecurities in your
personality and your under-confident it
always equals paranoia and backstab so
that’s a human equation of psychology to
take to the bank
so if you’re running a company and
you’re listening to this program
identify the people that are
backstabbing each other in your room get
them in a closet get them in a
conference room and say okay listen
you’re a backstabber and you’re a little
paranoid can you calm yourself down if
you cannot calm yourself down I got to
get rid of you but you know why you’re
very talented
okay and Priebus is actually a very
organized guy disciplined guy I thought
he did a good job at the RNC
I liked him I thought he was a friend of
mine until he started his sinister
slithering nonsense that they do in the
swamp once he brought up Priebus I had
to ask about the staredown that famous
photo now there’s that picture of you
and him standing in the Wall Street
Journal – yeah he’s a cowboy
whatwhat the cowboy shot what’s going
through your mind and what’s going
through his mind in that moment well you
know I’ve looked at the picture that was
an accidental picture
I was really trying to figure out at
that moment if there was some move on
the Rubik’s Cube or I could get the
patterns to line up properly and him and
I could figure out a way to get a wall
but he was leaking on me six so funny I
mean like these guys they didn’t want me
in a job so they were blasting me
tonight before the president puts me in
the job they start the process of
blasting me that weekend that picture
was taken after the weekend and you know
they’re leaking on me left and right I
was like okay these guys are like
ridiculous okay they’re supposed to be
my friends he fronts up like you’re old
enough to remember richie cunningham you
know the the genial guy from happy days
with the Fonz the guy fronts up like
richie cunningham but he’s really like a
Sith Lord you know he’s a backstabbing
Sith Lord with like a red lightsaber
right so that’s what they do to you I
think I’m hahaha and then when you’re
not looking they try to hit you from
behind okay what are you guys doing this
for why do we need to do that this is
what the American people don’t like
let’s stop doing this right so that look
was okay do I have to knock this guy
into Pennsylvania Avenue because I’m
prepared to knock I’m into Pennsylvania
Avenue or is he gonna knock it off what
is he gonna do okay because he’s he’s
the number one leaker in the White House
I showed the president how he was
leaking how was it leaking take us my
dinner I did a whole Carrie Mathison you
watch homeland no no okay well your
friends do so what happens is she’s
looking at the terrorists and she’s
analyzing you at the big dude Schumer
watch that because I’m from Iran no I’m
kidding going on Wow probably should
watch it because you from Miranda that’s
probably gonna be a bad moment for me
that was probably pulled to the correct
it’s all good right but but but I showed
so we use the president’s name he would
leak through the Washington Examiner he
would say Trump hates ash and then you’d
get like a Google Alert on your phone oh
my god Trump hates me I thought I had a
great relationship that was previous
doing that to you with Spicer and a
couple other guys some of his cutouts
because he wanted to keep you from the
White House or he wanted to destabilize
what he thought was a strong
relationship between you and trauma
right so he’s the Washington Examiner
why I hope never cut that out for the
president the president didn’t read that
president was more focused on things
like the New York Post and
right you never either Washington’s an
ER so he’s used the president’s name in
the Washington Examiner when he was
leaking on Gary he would go to The Wall
Street Journal you know that would be
the maximum damage to Gary he had two or
three cut outs there and he used them
Bannon loved the walls right how did you
figure out it was him what was your you
don’t have to be like a rock okay it was
more by just figured okay look he hates
these guys these are the journalists
he’s tight with here the cutouts that
he’s using I mean it had a massive a
leak I mean we’re trying to go to
political with me my original job was
video PL director now I know I look like
I was born at night but it wasn’t last
night right so I said okay you’re gonna
make me to go PL direct I was already
smelling some bad nonsense so I asked
Rick durable in the head of the
transition team to give me a letter an
offer an acceptance letter and I got the
offer an acceptance letter right so now
that are doing their opposition research
and all their nonsense on me to block me
from getting in a 10 a leaking that they
never offered me the job in the first
place there was never a press release on
me that was one of the previous tricks
so I took the letter and I sent it to
lier spice from the Spice Girls right
every Spice Girls got a nickname so I
sent the letter to liar spice and I said
liar spice you can’t lie about this I
have documented evidence on this so
you’re gonna have to switch the story
with Politico ok but even after that I
still protected lyre spice when he was
out there making the Hitler comments and
all the stupid stuff I went on erin
burnett show and said he shouldn’t lose
his job over that he was trying he was
just over his head and you know so you
were brought in to kind of kill the
leaks but isn’t it leaks apart like a
necessary evil and dad leaks let’s let’s
define leaks there’s a lot of different
types of leaks so if you go throughout
human history political leaking is a
normal practice you’re leaking to test
an idea you’re leaking to test a
personnel decision you’re leaking to
build a bridge and a relationship with
the journalist you may need them in a
crisis there’s a lot of positives and a
lot of positive externality for leaking
badly King is ashes a trunk ash has a
girlfriend ash is a globalist
dimwit is a nationalist okay that is
like bad leaking no scaramouche’s got a
nefarious deal with the Chinese bad
leaking stop it guys it’s not off the
lying let’s knock off the disingenuous
dishonesty let’s stop it now all the
stuff that I’m saying to you it’s very
dangerous because people don’t like the
truth they don’t like to hear the truth
and I’d like to take out people that
speak the truth you know you remember a
few good men let me taste them we’re at
a point talk about an inflection point
in our society we have this unbelievable
amazing society but we got to fix the
government you can track up 30 40
trillion dollars of debt you’ll dig too
big of a hole
you’ll stay rich I’ll be fine my kids
will be fine
but you’re gonna hurt the middle class
and the lower middle class families that
I came from okay there you’re gonna
reduce their standard of living if you
continue to operate the government off
of this ridiculous policy so that’s why
the president got elected so while we
knock it off let’s have a little bit
more transparency and honesty between
each other you don’t have to like me I
don’t have to like you but when we’re in
the same Jersey – 77 Yankees you’re not
old enough to remember them but they
were killing each other hey Sparky Lyle
wrote a book called the Bronx Zoo they
were killing each other when I got on
the field they’re wearing the same
Jersey they won the World Series so you
don’t have to like me I’m halfway decent
of what I’m capable of and so are you
let’s get in the boat together row in
the same direction let’s knock off the
Internet’s and warfare if the election
were held today this Trump won by a
landslide so you think he’s gonna play
2020 election is held today huh he wins
by a landslide if he might actually
agree with you when I call answer I call
2016 a year before it happened I said he
was gonna but why do you think he’s
gonna win well because there are three
or four reason number one there’s I mean
no offense to these guys and I said this
to Donna Brazile on Bill Maher show who
do you got
show me the guy show me to a woman or to
Ottawa man a woman that’s gonna beat him
this guy is a beast okay he is a
superstar you may not like him you mean
I like his mannerisms his style his
tweeting but this guy is a beast okay he
gets it and he knows how to get the job
done and let me tell you something he
hits it harder than anybody this guy
plays like a
dog all day you want to learn from Trump
it’s 21-7 you’re in late in the third
quarter and he’s gonna win are you gonna
take the boys gonna drive it down
feeling people don’t like me for saying
that stuff about him but he’s not a
choke artist okay so he wins by a
landslide today in 2020 he wins by a
landslide the mechanical reasons for
that or you are in a rising economy
since 1882 today you don’t lose the
presidency in a rising economies never
happened so so the only time it did
happen was unusual there was an
assassination of a president and it was
a very bad war going on and a tremendous
amount of civil protests and so the
sitting president and the rising economy
left the race he’s really worried about
Bobby Kennedy LBJ it’s the only time
that did happen very different different
exogenous circles actually he wins
curious what you think you got him for
another seven years so get used to it
that’s right but let’s get the right
team around them so that we can really
do a good job for the Americans speaking
of the team so this year this week
Ivanka Trump says you know you can’t ask
me as the daughter about whether or not
like the sex stuff is accurate it’s not
but fair question or whatever two days
before that she’s in Korea and she’s
like I’m basically an advisor and she’s
an advisor is that gonna last or at some
point are Jared and Ivanka and her
family is the nepotism continue so look
I I know I don’t I don’t know the I
don’t know the answer to that but I find
this thing like a little laughable about
the corner quota nepotism okay Bobby
Kennedy was Attorney General he’s in the
cabinet okay so the fact that the
president wants a few of his family
members around him as official advisors
is less hypocritical than having George
Walker Bush advising George Herbert
Walker Bush throughout the presidency
working on the election campaign and so
forth this is just hypocritical there
are many instances Abigail Adams you
could go back through our history so
there’s the eateth Wilson there’s Ben
levels of nepotism in our government
forever okay so so people cry nepotism
they should take a step back say they’ve
relax for a second the first lady’s not
an elected official she is a very
integral part in the government secondly
he’s not a government official and so
there was always a family component to
these things there has to be look at the
stress of these people
so give the guy a break on that as it
relates to the two of them as
governmental officials I don’t know the
answer to that but my guess is probably
not
because if you look at duration cycle of
governmental officials underneath the
president
they typically grind out in two to three
years do you feel like Trump winning
ultimately was just confirmation that in
America celebrity and wealth is what
Americans look up to like they didn’t
elect them because of his business
acumen they elected him because of like
The Apprentice like that kind of rule
that’s good question I I don’t know the
answer to that I think that they elected
him because remember the rise of Trump
ISM is common death or the decline of
collectivism okay I mean you could have
flipped coins and made better decisions
of those guys I mean I will never
understand why they didn’t go to
Wisconsin she only lost the state by I
don’t know I know yeah you have to
Google this I don’t know the exact
number but is it 40 50 thousand votes
she lost the state of Wisconsin her
aides told her you got that in the bag
but let me submit to you if you get the
speaker the houses Republican from
Wisconsin and you got Governor Scott
Walker that’s won three elections in
four years in Wisconsin don’t you show
up her decline or her terrible candidacy
and by the way I like her as a person
you’ll never hear me say anything bad
about I’m just analyzing the strategy of
the campaign they outspent this and they
out man us man does or woman does and
they still beat up we still beat them so
so to me I think trunk 1/4 number
detractors her weakness as a candidate
and her bad strategy his persistence his
persona and I do think you know you may
not agree with this but I think the
American people looked at him and said
okay I don’t know what he’s worth
he says he’s worth 10 billion we can
take him at his word but he’s definitely
worth a lot more than me okay so he’s a
rich guy by the standards of America
some people view them as a success and
they also smell that their government is
family they smell there’s something
wrong with the system and they were
hoping to get somebody from outside the
system one of his best campaign lines
was listen I get the system I played the
system he gave money to Schumer I gave
money to Clinton I gave money to D’Amato
I played the system let me get in there
let me see if I can fix the system so I
think that was the compelling narrative
the bomb to the presidency is there a
degree of hypocrisy of
the Americans and especially let’s say
the Democrats when they’re kind of
crying foul over Russia when America has
a history of meddling in other countries
election so it is not just a degree of
hypocrisy among politicians there’s a
degree of a Bacchus among everybody
everybody’s a hypocrite in some way
shape or form you have said something I
don’t know we’re gonna analyze you
you’ve said something ten years ago five
years ago three years ago you’re doing
the exact opposite of that I’ve done it
you know I’m a hypocrite but there’s a
difference if you change your point of
view because conditions change I mean
don’t you find Trump is just lying all
the time like that there’s a hypocrisy
of those whining about Russia but I mean
with Trump the degree of lying like how
could anybody work for him Reid win big
Lee by Scott Adams he’s the creator of
Dilbert and so he’s a very interesting
take on Trump’s persuasion skills he has
a very interesting take on Trump’s
vernacular okay he’s a showman and so
he’s a storyteller and so he mixes in
the story some levels of fabrication the
average student of politics the average
person that’s analyzing presidential
nature and presidential personality
doesn’t like it the average American
that’s watched television and anissina
mom TV and has seen the screenplay
unfold finds it amusing so we’re in a
new territory okay you’re you’re in a
situation now we have the first Smash
Mouth shock-jock president if Barack
Obama was the Jackie Robinson of the
American presidency he broke the color
barrier Donald Trump is the Howard Stern
okay so somebody’s finished so a guy
like me I get that joke my buttons
bigger than your button I’m laughing I
mean it says some stuff that’s really
funny any he will stretch a story you
know there’s a there’s a great cliche
why let the truth get in the way of a
great story okay Trump is a great
storyteller and so if you were
legitimizing so while he’s the president
adage every word that comes out of his
mouth I learned that George Washington
never told a lie you’ve been told his
daddy chopped down the cherry tree let
me take him at his word he’s a prolific
liar
the guys like me we don’t see him like
that we see him as a colorful guy who
says colorful things but when you get
down to brass tacks you’re sitting at a
table like this is a very good decision
maker very good that’s decision you’ve
seen maybe whether in the 11 days razor
fence I think that was a great pick for
him my big pensive complimentary
and he complements him with an e mean
he’s a complimentary personality and he
complements him with an i3 gets the
president he’s a loyal guy pence got a
great staff no drama on the staff I
think is great decision by the president
you touch on loyalty how jarring and
frustrating is it to work for someone
who command so much loyalty but seems to
give it back so little you don’t count
him as a loyal person um um I count him
as someone that likes loyalty there’s
been some asymmetric behavior as it
relates to his loyalty but but there’s
also another weird thing that goes on
with him right
no one’s ever had of his orbit right you
ready I mean your viewers can’t see it
but I’ll draw for you the orbit is not a
circle it’s an ellipse okay and so what
happens is I was in this orbit you know
closer here and now I’m out here you see
what I mean but you never leave the
orbit right you see under mean so if you
get the joke with him he gets the joke
with you you see to me I’m loyal to the
guy because he’s a good guy he’s trying
to do the right thing he fired me for a
reason I get fired because I was the
White House communications director and
I got bagged by a journalist I should
have been smarter than that I should
have not had that happen to me now you
could have given me a pass on that okay
you gonna said all right guys a good guy
he backed me they’re an Access Hollywood
tape he sponsored a breakfast right
after that he’s really trying to help me
I’m gonna give him a pass he’s got a
nine-page comms plan that’s really gonna
help the country let’s move forward it’s
just a new cycle but they didn’t do that
they created a spectacle about it they
made me as famous as Melania and Ivanka
I didn’t have to be his wife or his
daughter so we are less painful in many
ways sometimes but my point is I’m not
going to lose my friendship with them
over politics see the difference do you
think that the whole investigation is
either serve what is the odds of
impeachment you know
ishes a joke the problem with the
investigation is that these things go
haywire right it’s like shooting a
pinball and they’re bouncing off the
bumpers and the lights are blinking and
it’s like a total joke okay
Conde said today Secretary Rice let’s
stop and let’s knock off the Russian
investigation you have 15 months until
you haven’t found anything the country’s
ready to move on that’s what she said
this morning so let’s knock it off
there’s nothing there I said there was
nothing there 15 months ago but here’s
what happens you start on whitewater
your name is Ken Starr and you’re
working on Hillary and Bill Clinton and
you end up with the Monica Lewinsky
scandal
okay and so you wait long enough you
look pretty good you know God makes the
bald heads perfect you know that right
aunt you look pretty good you probably
are a perfect person okay but you’re
talking to an imperfect person okay but
you maybe you’re perfect I’m not perfect
you you did hard enough you dig long
enough you’re gonna find something about
me you don’t like you’re gonna find a
misstep you’re gonna find it I just
indiscretion I I’m a flawed guy I had in
business I’ve made 10 phone books of
flaws in the White House I made five
phone books of him in 11 days okay I’m a
flawed guy making mistakes all the time
so the pin balls bouncing around now in
Washington the the pinball machine is
called scandals incorporated they played
a machine on Hillary Clinton they would
say oh my god uranium one 33,000 emails
let’s hits president Hillary Clinton the
pinball will bounce around in there
she didn’t win and a dialing offer he’s
upset
I said stop hitting me I’m gonna start
hitting her right and that’s what
happens he you become the swamp because
the swamp is the swamp swamp swamp
laughs at you they laugh at you they
said oh here he comes
mr. naivete to the 10th power let’s slow
down his do and Sophia’s let’s disrupt
his family let’s put a negative research
opposition research out on them let’s
give him a run for his money we’re gonna
be here for 30 years this guy’s coming
into ten minutes gonna be in this
president’s term one day 11 days for me
maybe a year let’s drive him crazy let’s
teach him what the swamp is all about
and then you become the swamp if you let
yourself become the swamp
American people don’t like it bro you
got millennial care how old you I’m 39
my kids are nine and says you got young
kids – I got millennial kids and I got
generations ears and I don’t like it
they don’t like it they see through it
they don’t like it and also the
proliferation I said that word right of
social media it’s got a spotlight on
these people like whoa he’s really like
this what’s wrong with you people why
don’t you knock it off
well like it with the shooting that
happened in Florida do you think that
the reaction against the students well
as those kids get older and get the
right to vote is that gonna come back
and haunt the Republicans I don’t know
good question though so will you where
you say to yourself is its we should be
able to solve for this issue okay I
really wish at times like this that we
stop with the left and right nonsense
and we go to right and wrong okay and so
right or wrong as a post partisan
analytics left or right is the
nonsensical trauma that we have right
now and so to me
I’m absolutely confident they’re smart
enough nonpartisan enough people in the
country where we could hit the
intersection point of non crazy people
can have use for guns for recreational
or protective purposes self-defense and
crazy people can’t get anywhere near a
gun and I’m gonna tell you something if
you’re a liberal watching this and you
want to poke out one of my eyes I’m
sorry to tell you this is always gonna
be a Second Amendment but the thing got
started with a Second Amendment had to
do with what the the British forces did
in New Hampshire and Massachusetts by
taking the garrisons munitions away and
it paralyzed those people there was no
tax
there was no representation on taxation
and they took their guns and missions
away and so then they could be oppressed
and so they understood I intuitively
that you needed had the ability to arm
yourself to protect yourself not only
against enemies the potential
governmental oppression it’s been
steeped in the culture of the United
States that t-bag is in the culture the
United States for 242 years
forty-three years it’s not going away so
you may not like it but you’re not going
to regulate or litigate or legislate the
guns out of existence United States what
you have to do is you’ve got to tighten
the background checks you got to reduce
the magazines you’ve got to reduce the
impact of the bullets so police the bomb
and the bullets out there that are super
harmful or less harmful yeah set up
devices you know you’re a technologist
there’s great devices we put in these
schools
you should not own these teachers that’s
crazy that’s a that’s a really bad idea
I would tell the president if I’m
sitting next to him I say well let’s
relax on arming the teachers I know you
oh you’re on missile lock with the arm
and the teachers but don’t on the
teachers because the gun is gonna go off
when you least expect it and you don’t
want it and if you’ve got 45 50 thousand
schools or whatever the number is I
don’t know the number but you’ve had
1,400 people die since Columbine let’s
say you got a hundred thousand schools I
don’t want a hundred thousand schools
many of which are very safe –
statistically have an increase in the
potential acts of violence as a result
of exposure to arms so we can figure
that out we’re smart we can figure that
out we got to figure it out in a right
or wrong way as opposed to left or right
and and everybody at the tables got to
be unhappy
the left’s got to be unhappy because
there’s some freedom around the guns and
the rights got to be unhappy because we
can’t put an orange ball sighs blow out
into an innocent kids body I’m sorry
okay that’s that’s not what we should be
doing our people okay but not gets a gun
and they shoot an orange bowl size hole
in your son’s body I don’t want that
okay I got five kids let’s knock that
off we should be able to solve what why
is it both why is it that after this
most recent shooting there seems to be a
little bit of traction but why is it
also that there’s never any action in
the end and we just forget and move on
because that’s what they do to you they
grind you down they slow roll you the
move in the swamp is the slow roll move
want to hear the slow roll move okay you
know this heat right now but in two days
the news cycle will be over and there’s
a great website called last week’s news
or last week news from two weeks ago and
like you you go on our website and you
you
Wow yeah that was like attached every
two weeks ago but now we’re here two
weeks later we don’t even thinking about
that there’s another catastrophe
so they grind you they slow roll you and
so that’s the question you asked me but
the kids I don’t know the answer those
kids are really that fired up and they
are that persistent and they can create
a movement on March 24th that galvanizes
the youth the product will change the
product is a politician that product
will change you want to change the
system force everybody to vote like they
do in Australia all of a sudden the
product has to become less extreme if I
only like bitter coffee and you only
like super sweet coffee okay but now I
can only serve one coffee to both sides
the coffee’s gonna be a little bitter
and a little sweet it’s not gonna be one
side and the other side make everybody
vote you’ll liquidate and dilute the
product you see what I mean and then you
have less polemical less it is nonsense
that we’re dealing with compare for me
DC with Wall Street because the unique
take on the worst guy of 54 the worst
guy I’m and I got him right in my brain
right here right inside my melon a worst
guy ever met in my life you want to name
them I gotta name names they know who
they are okay and one of them apologized
me so I’m over him but the other guy
means it’s a terrible human being
he’s the Eagle Scout okay he is the
pillar of rectitude and ethics in
Washington Wall Street is such a cooler
place okay we got tough guys we got
ruthless guys you’re gonna poke my eye
out for a dollar but at the end of day
we’re transacting right so here’s what I
say about Wall Street Wall Street
there’s a game going on and we’re both
on the green team here’s the green it’s
money I’m gonna sell you the building
you’re looking at the building you’re
going to improve the quality the rent
roll you’re gonna make money off of me
I’m gonna make money off of you because
I’m getting a net present value off my
current cash flow we’re gonna transact
you may take my eyeball out while I’m
doing it and I may hate you of what I’m
done but at least we’ve got some harmony
in the transaction in in washer there’s
no Green Team it’s guys nuts I got to
get closer to the president this guy may
be close to the president oh my god I
feel so powerful I don’t want this guy
to get any of my power
they take like this little pill okay it
looks it’s the lord acton pill okay they
put it in power corrupts absolute power
corrupts absolutely people are nuts
that’s why the founders put into fourth
the state that’s why the first move I
made or they turn the lights on in the
press room you gotta have people that
are in power held accountable to their
power by the Fourth Estate you want to
protect the country’s democracy you want
to protect the country from tyranny we
got to have a relationship with the
press they men like me I mean I like
them but we can’t be declaring war on
them okay that’s part of the original
documents that’s part of the foundation
of the country in our long sit down
session Anthony and I went on to talk
about a number of other things including
general Kelly how he found out he was
being fired Michael wolf fire and fury
as well as Trump’s plan assuming he has
one and if you want to hear all of that
make sure to check out the extended
version of this interview but we’re
gonna jump ahead to Trump’s
understanding of the paradox of greed
the great economic gift the President
Trump has is that he understands the
paradox of greed if I take the entire
pizza for myself I’m gonna end up way
poor why is that I’m gonna be in a bob
wired McMansion with security and my
neighbor’s gonna be storm if I slice my
neighbor into the pie I’m probably gonna
be just fine and they’re gonna be fine
too Henry Ford was like a terrible dude
apparently a racist all these bad things
about him but he understood the
economics of the paradox of greed he
said I’m gonna pay my workers enough
money so that they can afford the car
that they’re sitting driving or the car
that they’re making I’m gonna pay them
enough money to live in a nice house and
we have a good school system this way
they won’t come at me in my mansion with
a pitchfork and a fire stick and try to
put my head on a spike right and so
that’s part of the social contract and
Trump understands that better than
anybody so he’s a person in the room
like how did he is obviously the
greediest person I mean if you look at
this equation what this thing’s cost
them a couple billion dollars to be the
president so how’s he been the greediest
person I mean would you read about the
self-dealing Mike
basically foreign government staying at
the Trump Hotel in DC like there are
things that you would think he would
have the I mean look I don’t know the
financials at Trump because it’s private
and surprise but I think they get into
mouch I mean they’re losing a lot of
liberal bar mitzvah money at these uh at
these hotels on put to you that way
and a lot of people don’t go to these
hotels anymore he just lost Trump Soho I
think he lost Trump Toronto you can’t
tell me these making money off the
president I just thought I’d believe it
okay now we can paint it that way and we
can position him that way he’s getting
across because he picked ran for
president this is the Trump family like
the Kennedys are you going to see Ivanka
and jr. running for office no no you
don’t know no if you had to bet on one
of them running or becoming present in
the future which of the three you think
is most no I wouldn’t bet against any of
them they’re very articulate on
television they’re good-looking people
they’ve got sound reasoning boy they’ve
got some life experience now I mean it’s
one thing to be on television with your
dad running The Apprentice is another
thing to be getting flaming arrows shot
at ya every single day of your life you
know and you’ve got 40 to 75 thousand
Twitter trolls that are lighting up your
Twitter feed and you got what do they
call this thing shadow banning I mean
they’re all shadow banned on Twitter you
know you got all this like stalinistic
nonsense going on in these social media
companies slow down conservative thought
so they got the education of a lifetime
so they’re well-equipped for the job but
you know look I think that has to be a
calling I think that it’s you have to
you know Oprah said it better than
anybody she’s like okay God you want me
to run for president man you better you
better send me a really loud message and
a loud message that I can really hear
and so I think it’s gonna be calling I
don’t know if they have the calling or
not
what’s the near future well I’ll have to
see what happens with my deal my deal is
before City is for 15 months these sort
of ridiculous is fine if they approve
the deal I’ll sell the deal I’ll go work
with the the acquired company to help
grow that business I’ll probably do more
TV and I’ll probably
do some teaching and I’m having a lot of
fun any politics in your future I don’t
have the calling so so I don’t see
myself running for politics I think it’s
sort of funny I think the reason why I’m
getting hit so hard is people see me as
a potential political adversary so
they’re cream and me they’re taking out
my family they’re trying to disfigure me
those nonsense but I mean I wish I could
give them a newsflash you know the next
time I’m gonna be in Washington probably
be visiting the Smithsonian okay I have
no interest I think these people are a
bunch of jokers I mean I know I did we
only one way I could go into politics
that is if there was a seismic change in
our population where people really did
want the truth and they really wanted to
fix it they wanted people and they’d
have to be it couldn’t just be me they’d
have to be a legion of me say okay look
we got to really fix the problem okay
we’re tired of the nonsense the swamp is
like draining us dry
there’s no drain on the swamp except for
the drain on the American people into
the swamp
suta mean so the America be able to say
cut was completely done with this
nonsense we got to hire some people
they’re gonna tell the truth and fix it
and see if they do uncle trump’s trying
to you know final question you brought
up your family I know that joining
Trump’s group was hard on your marriage
what’s the status this guy’s like a you
this guy’s like a character with the you
finish I’m saying part of my marriage
has a capacity it was like a full-blown
nice well I didn’t want to be boyish a
something funny’s okay and I told this
to the press I said I’m Adam problem I’m
my wife she’s filed for divorce I said
the minute we fire Priebus they’re gonna
drop that story seven to 10 minutes
after and boom as soon as Priebus got
hit they dropped the divorce story on me
and you know the whole problem that I
had with the birth and my wife and I and
the whole thing so it was an unmitigated
catastrophe so it’s awesome I got hit
professionally I got hit personally I
got hit politically I don’t you’re fine
you’re the rubber ball feel this this is
like real hair really I know it’s great
look at the second house that’s like an
Italian chia pet if you’re nice to me
I’ll let you use it one night before I
put it on eBay I choked that before I
started the company I had hair like
Fabio so yeah well see there you go so I
didn’t lose it yeah thank God
although that’s a fantastic dye job
right that’s Latin American dictator
Brown okay because I was I was using
Cuban leader black on TV but it looked
terrible so now we’re gonna Latin
American dictator Brown and I patched up
with my wife you know I love my wife and
I think she loves me and we were
fighting like dogs and we were fighting
for a lot of different reasons some of
them are politically based and I’m gonna
tell you something that is very true and
if you got it listeners out there our
viewers they really want to learn from
other people’s mistakes or shortcomings
let me tell you one of mine
I got my priorities walk in 2017 that’s
the facts I oversized my ambition I over
sized those things that are not really
as important as things like love of your
family and your friends and the
commitment to those things that are
grounding and solid and I got my
ambition and it it caused the universe
to smash me in the mouth and so I’m up
off the canvas now not a few teeth are
missing but I love my wife and I’m
committed to her I hope I can make it
work with it fantastic great story good luck a great comedian