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Who wants to live forever? | Dr Eduardo Rocha | TEDxUniversityofEastAnglia


I was born in 1962 at a place called

sharing sharing is located in the

neighborhoods of Rio de Janeiro Brazil

and probably the world sharing doesn’t

mean anything for most of you but you

might have seen or even tasted the

pleasure of some of sharing products

very well-known and part of my country’s

most rich cultural experience and export

products music and football sherry is

associated to major football players if

you now like and you’ve seen the

national team playing we’ll have at this

moment Thiago Silva and Marcelo two of

the greatest players at this that we

know of they come from training if you

like music especially specifically Samba

you would recognize the words of zakapa

Gugino also sharing native who sings and

make songs to make so many people happy

in Brazil Samba that touches our heart

but anyway sharing was not that famous

or still is not and the major project

when I was born there was not music or

football it was cars cars and trucks

built in Brazil for Brazilian people

that was part of an old time dream of

Brazil to become a big nation industrial

nation and producing Brazilian cars was

reality any training for a certain

number of years but when I was about to

turn to three weeks before my second

birthday a major event happened to my

country that changed the life of my

family and to many other families Brazil

went into a dark period of military

intervention democracy was forgotten

militaries took over to my family to my

dad that mean that in a matter of weeks

months we had to leave surname

we were out of job had no place to live

and had to find a new place to start all

finally my dad found a place to work

found a job in some Paulo Brazil and

it’s natural that at five years old you

start having memories that you can

really recall and it’s not by chance

that my first memories I mean the oldest

memories from my childhood come in black

and white not only because I’m

colorblind I still see a lot of things

in black and white like this picture but

because we had this major modern machine

called the black and white TV they would

be sitting in the middle of the living

room of the typical middle-class to

little class family and through the

black and white TV

I could see amazing things I can still

remember very strong black-and-white TV

was to my generation what radio was to

my parents generation and what Internet

and cell phones are to your generation

so let me describe a few things I’ve

seen through the black and white TV I

saw I remember my dad showing me two

funny dress men walking slowly like

jumping and playing in the dirt and

although I could not see their faces I

could tell they were having fun and my

dad would tell me no son they were

walking on the moon I thought that was

very bizarre but my dad said we could

walk on the moon I said well maybe one

day I can walk on the moon too and he

said yeah she could but first eat your

spinach I can also describe you with

details the crowning of a king Brazilian

king his white shirts shiny against this

dark skin he was carrying a white ball

in his hands like a trophy he was being

carried by the crowd nobody shouting his

name but somehow the king was sad he was

crying and I could not understand he

should be so happy

he had just scored his 1,000th goal of

his career

against my dad’s team that naturally

became my team Vasco da Gama and but

some for some reason King was crying and

he was crying people out please help the

Yankee it’s the poor kids in Brazil

please take care of the poor kids in

Brazil and I thought well this King must

have been a poor kid when he was a kid

very sad story it appeared and only

years later I could understand the

importance of Pele King Pele to Brazil

and to the world of football but my the

most striking image I carry from that

time was it that came from Africa I

didn’t know where Africa was but of

course the faraway place and over there

I heard the story that a man went into a

man’s chest took out his heart and put

inside another man’s heart saving his

life at that time I could not even think

what happened to the first man but I was

so surprised with that I was so shocked

that I told my mom mom this is what I

want to do in my life I want to be a

transplant doctor I’m going to be a

transplant doctor and that’s exactly

what I am now fifty years two months and

three weeks later after this December

3rd 1967 I am a transplant doctor I’m

not a surgeon I’m a transplant physician

if another day I will explain what I do

but basically it’s the same magic of the

magic of organ transplantation it’s

really interesting I now a teach in

medical school and I ask my students why

have you chosen to be a medical doctor

do you remember the day you made that

decision such an important decision and

even why do people decide such important

things so early in life it’s not

necessary so most students have a

traditional answer well I don’t know my

dad my mom they were no medical doctors

that influences our decisions of course

but then every once in a while I get an

answer

wow this is a no time dream just like

myself and no dreams so let’s talk a

little bit about dreams when I look back

to the 60s a few years ago I went to

this exhibit

in London called everything was moving

there was about black and white

photographs from the 60s and I think

that title fits perfectly the 60s when I

think back of the 60s people were

dreaming and dreaming high they were

dreaming about such important things

still very important today like peace

love birth control social rights racism

they were fighting not only dreaming

they were dreaming and fighting and I’ll

tell you there was a generation of

achievers for the first time the men

could run a hundred metres faster than

10 seconds one jump from as high as the

stratosphere and landed safely on the

parachute a record that was only broken

more than 15 years later and as I said

before men went as far and back as to

the moon and came back safely so it

really seemed like everything was

possible in the 60s and at that time I

believe that when I thought about being

a transplant doctor I was just joining a

group of people a growing group of

people that believes in eternal life so

these images come from the British

Museum and we know that the Egyptians in

the old time they already thought about

having a key to eternal life longevity

so basically what I message I want to

tell you is I want to live forever and I

really believe I’m going to live forever

and I’ll try to tell you in the next

minutes how I’m going to managed but

before I’ll tell you my recipe let’s

call it like that my strategy

let’s go from ancient Egypt to ancient

Greece and see if it was of those men

who spent a lot of their time thinking

no man can ever step in the same river

twice so the explanation is kind of

obvious as the water flows the river is

always different and as time goes by the

man or woman is always changing so

it’s a very interesting thing and with

that in mind I’m gonna bring you to my

River which is as I mentioned before Rio

de Janeiro Brazil this is my River

well the story I don’t know if it’s

that’s very precise but some people say

that the name of Rio de Janeiro comes

from the idea that when the Portuguese

arrived there apparently the French were

there before but let’s see let’s say the

Portuguese were there they saw this

place which now we know it’s a bay that

they thought it was a doubt of a river

so the name River can Rio comes from

River this is direct translation so as

the river from the great people every

time I come back to Rio I see a

different city it’s changing all the

time and it’s always beautiful I think

it’s changing but it keeps beautiful

this year Rio is going to celebrate 450

years old City at least for brazilian

terms so let’s try this experiment

experience you think of something very

old

let’s doesn’t have to be a person it

could be like your city or your street

the street where you grew up at close

your eyes think of your street if you

think about it I don’t know how old your

street is but the neighbors you used to

know when you were young they most

likely some of them are not there

anymore they don’t live there anymore

they even passed away they moved for

different reasons and new neighbors came

in so this is very interesting because

it’s still the same street or the same

city but people are changing and the

street is still alive the street will

only be dead the day when new people

don’t come anymore or the people feel

that less people who are there are gone

so it’s like changing cummingandgoing

is part of the of the game to keep

something so alive for such a long time

so let’s back to Rio and

another idea reel comes from Gennaro

comes from January so that’s a month

where mike city was founded but not many

people know that January is also relates

to Roman god called Janus is a

double-faced God represented by

different artists like the sculpture

that looks similar tenuously to the past

into the future

so in agendas like strategy I’m going to

exercise my in presenting my strategy to

live forever in in two parts first part

and this is to under one of my favorite

American musicians Tom Waits relates to

the past or more than the past to the

inner part I mean to look into the

interior like Janus with one of the

faces look to the inside and I’ll tell

you another story when I turned 15 my

family my wife and two daughters took me

to a van a Cuba and among the beauties

of Cuba no first number one is people

from Cuba we saw this old cars most of

them made in the 50s still running and I

was very impressed to see how old cars

would still be running and out as one of

the cab drivers how do you manage to do

it and it said that’s very simple first

we need those cars second we take care

of them and try not to break them and

third if it breaks we fix it so my

strategy of keeping my life in there for

a long time has to do with conserving my

health and we only awarded with one car

in life some have better models better

looking cars some have faster cars than

others but it’s only one car so keep

good care of your car and for that

medicine has many things and research

has been showing us that we are

understanding in a cellular level the

process of aging and rebirth long time

ago

this called car in 72 described a very

important scientific phenomenon that

changed the way we see life and death at

least in a cellular level he described a

term called apoptosis that means every

cell hasn’t in genetic code the capacity

of dying in every cell has to die after

certain time so just like our neighbors

we have to die and live again to keep

living and as we’re speaking now many of

our cells are dying and new ones are

being replaced and if you’re after a

certain age most likely all of your

cells they were there when you were born

they were not there anymore they died

while you were alive and you continue to

die while you’re still living it’s crazy

thing but this is part of the process of

living and die and we have to respect

they’re so dying is part of the game

then we move to the second part that

it’s refers to a Brazilian song from

Zeca pagoda that I mentioned first from

sharing let’s call that life carry me or

they shall via the Mileva and this is

better presented in a to-do list and

I’ll tell you in the very few minutes

what I’m going to do for the rest of my

life because now I am looking to the

outside of my genders view would you

think it’s would be interesting to have

eternal life by ourselves now we need

other people so the way I see the

strategy to live forever goals and

depends on other people and of course

people they are close to you and

sometimes people that you don’t even

know so my to-do list has to do it

please I need the help of every

everybody to to reach my eternal life

number one right after my heart stops

and one day the old 55 is going to break

I’d like to join another body and leave

parts of myself so I’ll be an organ

donor that’s a very obvious thing so

please host me whenever I need it I want

to place my liver my kidney whatever is

already in use in other people’s

part and that will extend my life for a

few years but then I could reach more

people and I’ll donate my tissues and

now you know my bones my skin my eyes

even my blood that I can donate while

I’m alive

I want to reach other people through my

cells and tissues and of course they can

go on as we go smaller I can delay my

genes

and that’s part of the delays that I’ve

already thanks to my lovely wife already

checked I have two beautiful daughters

they will take me hopefully to the next

century but I think the most impact I

can cause and people would be by

exchanging ideas

so the for the rest of my life from now

on I’m going to be writing books I’m

going to be spending a lot of time with

friends see old friends try to make new

friends exchange ideas and hopefully

through the ideas I will touch their

emotions and just like my dad that

passed away last year was still in my

heart is going to be living with me

forever

that’s the emotions that we bring to

confess okey so Judaism probably mais

neo chorus so I know briefly I think he

sofa to do kiddies video I’m going to defer

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