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The Baptist Pastor and His Transgender Friends | Mark Wingfield | TEDxCharlottesville


when I awoke on Friday morning May 13th

I didn’t know a single transgender

person I didn’t know the mother or the

father the brother or the sister of a

transgender person but as that day

unfolded my life changed I was

transformed by an untold number of

transgender persons their family members

and friends who reached out to me and

loved me even though the Church of Jesus

Christ which I serve as a pastor too

often has not loved them before we go on

I need to acknowledge the story I had to

tell you it’s not really my story it’s

the story of one of the most

misunderstood maligned mistreated people

groups of our time I stand before you as

someone with five or six kinds of

privilege that allows me to be heard

today I am a white straight male Baptist

pastor middle aged from Texas

and because of those things people will

listen to me who will not right or wrong

listen to those who have first-hand

stories to tell but it is those stories

that have changed me now here’s the

backstory to why I’m standing before you

today since September of last year our

church has been involved in a detailed

study on questions about inclusion of

the LGBT community in the life of the

church we’ve been asking whether there

should be any limitations to full

membership and participation in the

church based on one’s gender identity or

sexual orientation and I must tell you

that this has been the most difficult

and painful conversation i’ve ever known

in my lifetime in the church we’ve lost

members we’ve lost money

we’ve lost friends simply for asking the

questions that we’ve posed along the way

in our study process with a 19 member

group we researched and studied and

prayed and did all sorts of things and

about five months into that some members

of the study group said look we have

talked a lot about the L and the G in

LGBT but we really don’t know much about

the B and the T could we please talk

about that well as it turned out we had

two members of the study group who were

well equipped to help us with the

transgender component of that one of

them is a pediatrician who works in a

low-income clinic in Dallas and

coincidentally has a number of LGBT

patients the other is a geneticist who

recently retired as a genetic counselor

at our Children’s Medical Center in

Dallas

and so together dr. Rhonda Walton and

Gayle Brookshire both of whom are

present here in the room today they

collaborated to create this presentation

and dr. Walton presented it to us I can

still see the room this classroom where

we met on this Sunday afternoon and the

whiteboard where dr. Walton wrote out

words and drew diagrams to help us

understand the difference between gender

identity and sexual orientation

how is really different than LGB

we learned that gender identity is about

who you are and sexual orientation is

about who you love and that these are

different things and often unrelated to

each other

dr. Walton helped us understand the

increasing body of medical and

scientific research that is teaching us

that so much of gender identity is

formed in the womb in ways that we have

not understood in ways that we cannot

see before a child is ever born and she

talked to us about babies who are born

with ambiguous genitalia and the

difficult decisions that are made about

that and who makes those decisions and

then she quoted the Bible to us she

reminded us that in the book of Genesis

that is sacred to Jews and Christians

alike we learn we are taught that all of

us all humans are created in the image

of God and then she said this she said

I’ve got to believe that just because

someone received a different hormone or

a different chromosome or a different

enzyme does not mean that they received

any lower dose of the image of God

because she had taught us that these

three things Anatomy chromosomes and

brain cells for most of us line up like

cherries on a slot machine to give us

unconflicted gender identity but for

some people they don’t line up that way

which might create a conflicted gender

identity or some variation on gender

identity that we haven’t known in the

past to be normative well I was blown

away by what she said I couldn’t stop

thinking about it

and I wanted to tell everyone around me

I was I was out evangelizing on this and

I woke up the next Wednesday morning

with a compunction just a compelling

idea that I could not shake out of my

head that I needed to write what I was

learning about call it a work of the

Holy Spirit if you will call it whatever

you want I could not not do this as a

columnist for the National News Service

Baptist News

dot-com I had a platform it wasn’t my

week to write but I sat down that

Wednesday morning and wrote anyway and

in about 45 minutes these words flowed

from my head through my fingers into the

laptop and created a column that was

titled seven things I’m learning about

transgender persons having no idea what

those words would unleash well it was

published two days later on Friday May

13th and it went live on that web site

at 5:00 a.m. Eastern time when I awoke

at 6:30 east central time that morning I

knew something unusual was going on

because I picked up my cell phone to

look at it and I had Facebook messages

and emails and voicemails from people

about that column that I didn’t even

know who’d been published yet and that

was the portent of the way the day was

to go the column has now been read by

more than a million people and has gone

truly viral my wife and I spend a good

part of that day at the kitchen table

watching social media with the shares

and the likes in the comments and they

were moving so fast we couldn’t even

keep up with it it was like watching an

electric meter spin on a hot summer day

in Texas well over the next two weeks I

spent every free moment I had responding

to more than 450 people who wrote to me

or called me I talked on the phone I

exchanged messages in all sorts of ways

I learned the stories of transgender

persons their family members their

friends and others I heard 95% of the

comments were positive yes there were a

few cranky people there were a few who

wrote to tell me that I was the tool of

Satan or that I clearly did not

understand medical science as it was

but the vast majority were incredibly

supportive and most moving of all to me

were transgender persons he wrote to say

I read that you don’t know any

transgender persons I’d like to be your

transgender friend and so out of that we

moved from online communication to

face-to-face communication

I began meeting for breakfast and lunch

and dinner and coffee with new friends

who are transgender and I heard their

stories they were shocked that a Baptist

pastor would sit down and listen to them

and I I was shamed to hear their stories

of repression and persecution and

rejection and to understand how

difficult it is even to use a public

restroom in peace

almost every transgender person that

I’ve met has told me that from their

earliest awareness from the time they

were four or five or six years old they

knew something was different about them

they knew that the anatomy they

presented on the outside did not match

who they were on the inside but they

didn’t know what to do with it they had

no vocabulary for it they had no role

models for this they had no one to talk

to and often they just stuffed it back

in and tried to keep on going sometimes

they turned to strict religious

observance to try to get rid of this and

none of that works most of the time when

they finally came to the realization of

what they actually had known all along

they found a sense of peace they said

but they almost always lost family

coworkers and always friends who

abandoned them there are a number of

stories I could share with you that have

been written to me I’ve chosen just a

few today the first is from a trans

woman in California she said as you said

most of us do not want to be in the

spotlight you will hear folks talk about

gay pride and gay power but never

transgender pride or power we just want

to be productive members of society and

live the life God designed for us

transitioning to our correct gender is

the only way to find peace with

our selves some of us spend a lifetime

in unfathomable suffering because of

self-loathing for being different

because of family abuse and rejection

and lack of resources transgender people

have a 40 percent suicide rate as

compared to the national average of

around 3 to 8 percent the next is from a

trans woman who wrote to tell me about

her history of attempting to find peace

and the Catholic Church in the Mormon

Church in the Navy and then to tell me

about her 12 suicide attempts you don’t

know what reading your opinion piece did

within me lately I’ve been reading

article after article of the attacks

against LGBT people especially those of

us who are transgender I read almost

every day of another murdered trans

woman then today I read your post and in

shines this ray of hope for my screen it

shows me that there are true Christians

out there

your words brought tears to my eyes with

the hopes that maybe just maybe God is

still with me he’s here but I can’t yet

enter a church with him one of the most

difficult things to hear in these

communications

has been the number of transgender

persons and their family members who are

people of deep and abiding faith but

have been rejected expelled kicked out

of churches and other communities of

faith simply because they or someone

they love is transgender and the church

does not know what to do with it the

most frequent question I was asked in

all of my communications is this does

God still love me a few weeks ago I

received an email from a trans woman and

her wife who live in the Dallas area

they wrote to say we’ve heard that your

church is a place that is welcoming the

marginalized members of society like us

and that if we showed up you would

welcome us and you wouldn’t escort us

from the sanctuary

is that true is it really safe for us to

come there well I couldn’t move fast

enough to write her back and say yes yes

yes please come and they did they came

the next Sunday and my wife and I met

them and we were able to have lunch with

him after church for about an hour and a

half we listened to their story and I

was astonished to discover that this

trans woman and I had been in seminary

together in the same place at the same

time had not we don’t think we knew each

other but we had felt the same call to

ministry gone to the same place for

training and yet 30 years later our

lives had taken vastly different paths

and we had been brought back together by

these words that had been published a

few days later I received a thank-you

note in the mail a beautiful thank-you

card and it said thank you so much for

receiving us we have looked for four

years for a church that would welcome us

like you did one of the reasons that I

have received a hearing with the

transgender community is because I was

willing to listen I wanted to meet

people who are different than me you may

be wondering if I’ve undergone some sort

of dramatic conversion through all of

this maybe from hatred to love and the

truth is that’s not really it

but I think the conversion I’ve

undergone is more significant because it

is a transformation from indifference to

compassion before May 13th I didn’t know

any transgender persons it’s not that I

hated anyone or didn’t like anyone I

just didn’t know these people I didn’t

know these people who are different than

me but so much like me as well and I

believe this is the condition of most of

America today we are guilty of the sin

of willful ignorance and the sin of

silence let’s face it I am one of the

least likely spokespersons for the

and yet one of the things I’ve learned

through this is that often we don’t get

to choose our causes they choose us and

in this moment I have learned because of

what I have heard and learned it’s time

for me to speak up and to help others

understand it’s the parents it’s letters

from parents that have moved me really

the most though parents just like you

and me who love their kids and want the

best for them and want them to succeed

and want them to be loved by other

people but yet they’ve been dealt a hand

they don’t know how to play and they

feel so alone there’s one mom named

Emily who wrote me in such a way that

she encapsulated so much of what I’ve

heard from others I want to share this

with you she said I’m the mother of two

children and absolutely brilliant an

amazing son who turned 11 today and a

sweet funny and smart eight-year-old

girl who is transgender your blogpost

gives me hope since we have allowed our

daughter to socially transition we’ve

lost almost all our family the three

relationships that remain are extremely

strained my father-in-law doesn’t speak

directly to me my mother-in-law says

that I let Claire’s issues rule my life

neither use her name for a time Claire

was this one they focus on the pain this

causes them they’re hurting they’re sad

they mourn the loss of their grandson

but they’ve never looked at any of the

resources I’ve given them they’ve never

gone to a PFLAG meeting they’ve never

talked others anything

my husband’s ants said this is the

result of the darkness of the world and

Satan’s influence on us she says I’ve

always known that my daughter was

different when she was three she made

her first set of boobies out of slices

she begged comments about growing up

when she gets to be a girl and having

long pretty red hair comments about when

she grows up and gets to be a mommy she

put on her first dress when she was six

years old and I literally saw the

tension drain from her shoulders and I

saw the joy in her face a little over

two months later she looked at me right

in the face and said my my boy life is

over and it’s my girl life now call me

Claire this winter she suffered her

first bout of suicidal ideation my

eight-year-old wanted to die and then

this brave mom taught me this lesson she

said a loving God did not put my

daughter on this earth as an example of

how not to be or how we should not

parent she was put on this earth to show

the wonder of this creation this little

girl who looks just like I did at her

age this little girl who giggles and

it’s infectious this little girl who hid

because she was afraid we would throw

her away but eventually was brave enough

to tell us that she’s a girl and her name is Claire thank you

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