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My bank is a robot | Freddy Kelly | TEDxLeamingtonSpa


I like to start with a quick show of

hands so can you put your hand up if you

know your bank managers name that’s very

easy then so I’m pretty sure you can’t

explain standard variable rate mortgages

any 101 you’re very brave you’re a

unicorn in fact my point is that

financial services are confusing

inaccessible and cumbersome but we all

rely on them every single day now I’m

pretty sure given a choice like this you

could probably come up with a sensible

decision but how about now not so easy

is it so Who am I and why am i comparing

wheelbarrows and credit cards well this

is me from a young age I’ve loved making

things now at first this meant sticking

everything together with cellotape but I

quickly discovered computers and built

my first website when I was 11

shortly after graduating I moved to San

Francisco to work for an early-stage

tech startup I loved making software and

software’s everywhere

be it your phone your washing machine

and your bank and if banks had your

software then I realized that’s

something I can make – last year I moved

back to London and applied for a credit

card to fund my entrepreneurship or

I was rejected

it turns out after living outside of the

country for two years I had a terrible

credit score and I’m not the only one

thousands of people get rejected for

credit every single day for a whole raft

of reasons they’re outside of their

control so I founded a fin tech company

now fin tech is short for financial

technology and is an area that’s grabbed

us ways of investment and many headlines

of pink broadsheets in the past couple

of years and now I spend my time hanging

out with these guys but so much of the

attention in fin tech has focused on

building complicated wealth management

products designed to answer questions

like how could i optimize my investment

portfolio or how can I consolidate

insurance to save money

in fact our industry has even come up

with an acronym to describe our most

lucrative target market

we call them Henry’s and Henry stands

for high earning but not rich yet but

there are 13 million people in the UK

that don’t have enough savings to

survive losing even a quarter of their

income and we’re still we’re busy

closing the services these people rely

on the most

just this year we’ve seen thousands of

bank branches close their doors and can

expect more of the same cost-cutting in

the coming years there’s a huge

opportunity to use technology to help

these people so back to credit scoring

this is Leon Leon’s applying for a loan

this application gets passed to a credit

bureau to answer a very simple question

is he going to repay or not the problem

is the information that’s used to answer

that question is incomplete at best but

grossly irrelevant for a huge number of

us and the reason is the bureau’s

themselves refuse to involve the end

user in the process I mean after all if

you want to know about me then why don’t

you just ask it’s a bit like me writing

your CV for you even though we’ve only

just met and the way the thing is the

credit industry themselves actually sees

this as a good thing I remember being in

a meeting once sort of early on when we

started the company and someone said to

us well if our customers understand

their credit scores then they’ll game

the system and I didn’t say anything at

the time but I wanted to say you know

well if your credit score’s really good

then gaming the system would mean your

customers become financially healthy so

great game on

and what’s even where there is the

lending companies in the absence of good

data from the credit bureaus they’ve

started coming up with their own methods

of evaluation each more weird and

wonderful than us I remember another

meeting someone talked about a street

check process which I assumed was some

kind of sort of way of verifying address

or where someone lived and and we turned

out later what they were actually doing

was getting in their cars driving past

people’s houses and checking if they’ve

mowed the lawn or taking the bins out

that week and I’m sure you’ve all used

websites like this or at least seen them

you know pick how much you want to

borrow and for how long but did you know

as you move those sliders along these

companies are actually measuring how you

behave and using that to decide if your

creditworthy and did you also know that

they’ll change the initial positions

when you load up the site based on where

you live to try and convince you to

borrow more it’s pretty obvious that

technology can be a force for evil in

financials tech in financial services at

this point the idea of turning your bank

into a robot it’s probably conjuring up

some pretty scary images so let me use

the rest of my time to try and convince

you that technology can be the key to

building a fair and inclusive financial

system and one that works for everyone

a recent study found that over 50% of US

still want a face-to-face relationship

with our bank and what’s more a third of

us

actively distrust banks that don’t have

a high street presence even if mainly

banking online so the question is how

can we have a face-to-face relationship

with our banks if they’re robots

well NLP stands for natural language

processing and is the field of computer

science artificial intelligence and

computational linguistics concerned with

building interfaces between computers

and natural language or put more simply

converting written and spoken words into

concepts a computer can understand and

manipulate now I’m sure you’ve all used

tools like Apple Siri or maybe like

Google now set a time check the weather

well later this year

RBS are going to launch their Laveau

chat bot which is powered by IBM Watson

now at first this is just going to help

direct customers to the right

departments but over time as the

algorithms learn it will be capable of

much more complicated tasks imagine for

example calling up your bank instead of

hearing the usual your callers

important to us please hold hearing hey

Freddy how you doing if you remember the

rents due this week or perhaps more

likely hey Freddy looks like your

overindulge that the weekend I’ve set

aside the rent before you blow the lot

there’s been a huge huge buzz around

what’s called Robo advice which you’d

assume was trying to build products like

the ones I’ve just described and sadly

what it actually means is providing

advice to people with too much money

that don’t our to invest it properly but

those same conversational interfaces

could help the people with most

financial needs a recent report by

Lloyd’s contrasted the digital access

with financial capability and it found a

surprisingly high nineteen point six

percent of us or over 12 million have

high digital access but low financial

capability and could therefore really

benefit from technology an eighty-seven

percent of us are now online and the

fast majority of us use a smartphone and

perhaps what’s more surprising even

those in the sort of 65 to 75 age group

and now twice as likely to use a

smartphone as they were in 2012 but even

if we could talk to our bank how does my

bank know what’s best for me banking

needs to be relevant and we need to make

decisions based on concepts that we

understand

I always remember hearing the story of a

lady not far from office in London she’d

been working with the debt charity and

struggling with debt for a long time and

finally overcome her troubles and she

actually wanted to start saving so she

walked into local branch of her bank and

sort of declared to the guy at the desk

cake I want to open a savings account

and the chap said you know usual options

you can get a nicer it’s fifteen

thousand pounds tax-free maybe you want

to get a savings bond two thousand

pounds and if they didn’t do either of

those things instead she left the bank

and she was so embarrassed and ashamed

because she only wanted to save a pound

per week and what uses the fifteen

thousand pounds I say to someone wants

to save a pound a week banking needs to

be relevant but how can we get relevance

without reciting our life story or every

time we pick up the phone or go online

well prompted by a piece of EU

legislation known as the payment

services directive earlier this year the

open banking working group was formed

between the

and the Oprah net open data Institute

with the goal of building an open

standard for access for financial data

our financial data or put more simply it

means that the click of a button I could

go to any authorized company and say

this is me here’s my financial story

what’s the best deal you can give me

better still it means that the products

and services we use can be tailored to

our exact requirements I’m thinking a

credit card that detects missed payments

before they happen or how about a

current account that recognizes when

I’ve got money money left over and

invest it for me our banks make a huge

amount of money by locking us in they

hook us with free current accounts but

then build walls around our data making

it harder at first shop around for

subsequent products open banking will be

the key to knocking down those walls and

creating competition and building

products and services that meet our

actual requirements rather than the

one-size-fits-all approach we’re

lumbered with today so do you remember

Leon Leon’s a mechanic

he works hard during the week it’s

Keffer to pay his bills on time and even

save a little he doesn’t have a credit

score because he’s never borrowed money

but he’s facing a shortfall in the

run-up to Christmas and needs some extra

cash to pay for presents now imagine if

Leon could just explain all of this to

his bank and get the answers he needs

perhaps something like this

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so if I banks become robots then maybe

it’s not such a bad thing as almost look

after the Leon’s as well as the Henry’s thank you

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