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Managers, Who Needs Them? | Jenny Andersson | TEDxKingstonUponThames


hello Kingston I’d like to start by

asking you a question and to shout out

the answers to me what do you think the

future of human well-being depends on

brilliant audience when I tested this

out last week the first answer I got was

Wi-Fi and the second was Manchester

United wait who knew the future of the

planet is dependent on Manchester United

but actually I think we’re in a time

where we have to be really mindful of

what the future of human wellbeing does

depend on and I think it’s quite simple

I think we can summarize it in two ways

it’s if you like on the one hand the

human rights projects of the 20th

century all of the basic human needs

that every country in the world agrees

everyone on the planet has a right to

some of the things that you spoke about

food health water shelter protection

security but on the other hand on the

other side of the equation is the blue

planet we’re all lucky enough to live on

and that’s about thriving ecosystems

healthy soils healthy oceans about our

healthy atmosphere and we’re only just

beginning to understand these days how

interconnected those two things are and

on the one hand we’re still in

undershoot when it comes to delivering

on the Human Rights Project in many

countries in the world and we’re in

overshoot when it comes to our planetary

boundary particularly around carbon

dioxide in the air and healthy soils and

I’ve always worked in business and I’m a

passionate believer in business as a

force for good but at the moment in

terms of how we view business and how we

view work

a bit of a fly in the ointment around

getting business behind working on this

great equation that is probably the

generational challenge that we all face

and once you start digging into

statistics around the future of work you

start to come up very quickly with

statistics that show us that 63% of us

are disengaged with work that’s two out

of three people that hate their jobs 50%

of people who have a bad relationship

with their manager and that’s 50% of

people don’t have any trust or

respecting the company that they work

for now how are we going to get business

behind some of the grand challenges that

we face if two out of three of us hate

our jobs and when you start to look at

what is behind the statistics there

they’re complex reasons but there are

two things that stand out and the first

is that organizational hierarchies and

management systems that we designed in

the 20th century when there were many

fewer people with good education and

more people doing menial basic tasks

aren’t really fit for purpose in the

21st century they don’t allow people to

self actualize they don’t allow people

to access those more mature human needs

that we have like purpose like meaning

like wanting to work with integrity like

wanting to be honest decent people and

the other side sometimes if the

organizational structures do it’s a bit

like if you’re squeezing an orange

you’re hoping for a glass of Tropicana

but what you get out are the pips

the dark side of human behavior like

anger distrust greed which we’ve

recently seen in companies like Karelian

mara was researching the qualities that

business leaders and organizations might

need in the future

my inadvertently came across three

different types of companies that are

trying

in there very different ways to deal

with the different levels of

disengagement that we have and the first

kind of company is redesigning the

creativity in autonomy through shape you

might have heard of these types of

companies under the title of Halak recei

or sociopathy or teal but for the

purposes of today we’ll call them

self-managed businesses and I’d like to

introduce you to a company that’s based

on the south coast of Dorset and Paul

called matte-black Systems matte-black

systems produce the the guidance systems

that go in the vast majority of the

enormous planes that fly very regularly

over our heads in Kingston and when I

was interviewing them I did ask if it

was possible to engineer in a little

divert but apparently it’s not possible

and it would be illegal if it was and

seven years ago matte-black systems was

a company that was in trouble although

they had great relationships with their

customers they were always late they

were late 83% of the time not one week

not two weeks but sometimes eight months

and the people who ran the company

lovely couple that you can see behind me

had tried absolutely everything that

they could

they had tried expensive management

consultants they tried hotshot MBA

graduates they tried reorganizing the

company based around agile systems but

literally nothing had changed the dial

on productivity for the company and just

as they were about to completely give up

they noticed one thing that in all the

upheaval had stayed consistent and that

was the fact that they always had a

backlog of work and that their engineers

were always being paid overtime now this

might sound really simple but when

you’re an engineer you don’t look at

this sort of data so they thought they’d

try one last experiment and that was to

ban overtime which as you can imagine

went down like a dog poo sandwich

but they said to all their employees

that they would still be able to earn

the same amount of money but there would

be a bonus for finishing work on time

and they try this for six months so very

reluctantly the engineers got behind it

and at the end of the first month one

person finishes work on time went home

at the end of three months 50% people

finished their work on time went home

and at the end of six months there was

only one person who was still coming

into work late and he was going through

a messy divorce and he just wanted to

escape his wife and productivity had

gone up by 20% and this encouraged the

team at map back systems to try

self-management very seriously so they

set up a first experiment with just one

team and they gave them responsibility

for purchasing and profit and lost and

he didn’t go too well at first when a

truck turns up outside the door with a

million pounds with the component parts

on it they neither needed or could use

because one of the engineers had got

very excited and carried away with his

newfound power he then had to practice

his negotiating skills to get the

company he bought it from to take it

back but productivity went up they then

turned the company all into all into

teams and they gave them total

responsibility to go out and get their

customers for the HR function for

profitability for performance for how

they worked amongst each other for the

roles that they did and product service

he went up again they then decided to go

the whole hog and give them

responsibility for their own salaries

because they mean by now how much money

they were making and whether they were

losing money so they knew what they

could afford and then they gave them

responsibility for their own time come

into work if you want between midnight

and 3:00 a.m. in the morning if it suits

you take four months off if you’d like

work only for eight months as long as it

doesn’t compromise the team agreement

you can do what you like and

productivity went through the roof by

the end of a five year period of doing

all of these experiments they had

reduced their staff by two-thirds

they’d reduced their cost by half and

they had upped their productivity and

profitability 300%

and they were the best supplier in the

business but it wasn’t without pain the

people who simply didn’t want to step up

and do sales who would rather stick

red-hot needles in their eyes than have

responsibility for the profit and loss

of the business left the company and in

all of the self-managed companies that I

interviewed and they’re not all small

some are large like WL Gore who make

gore-tex I’m sure you’re familiar with

those people left the company and the

compassionate kind individual in me

wanted to explore whether it was

possible to find types of companies that

could not only support people who didn’t

feel that they could step up who didn’t

have the confidence just to to be sales

representatives of their company that

could help them with their psychological

insecurities and psychological

development and if for no other reason

even if you want a compassionate person

you really don’t want a bunch of

disgruntled egotist they’re unemployed

wandering around because you never know

no one might take it into their head to

apply for a job like president sorry I

couldn’t help myself just had to get it

in there somewhere so the second kind of

company that I went looking for a

companies that are really dedicating

themselves to developing the level of

consciousness of the people that are

working for working with them and to do

that they have to do two really

important things they have to shine the

light onto our weaknesses and they have

to make weaknesses normal and so you

have to start by having a very deep

psychological profile of everybody that

works for you that goes way beyond

normal psychometrics or even discs or

strengths finder profiling you have to

really tap into the subconscious drivers

and desires of individuals and I’m going

to talk to you through what ideas

in my company because I’m not the sort

of person who’s terribly touchy-feely

and when I decided that I would expose

my psychological history and background

to all of the members of my team I

genuinely really wanted to hit myself

around the head with a brick but but we

began we started doing the work and you

have to start with a deep profile of

each individual so what everybody in my

company knows that on the good side

I’m very good when it comes to service

to others with purpose with meaningful

work I’m very good in a crisis I’m very

good when it comes to mental resilience

I’m a great problem sufferer but they

also know that I have real deep issues

with trust with control with listening

to people with with a very very

incredibly long list of things they know

why I have those challenges they know

where they came from

and so when everybody inside your

company knows inside out of your history

and your life what you can do is put in

a series of practices that help you

practice those weaknesses so these kind

of companies turn from performance

orientation to practice based

organizations you get to practice being

a better human if you like so one of my

key practices because in my long list of

failings was empathy compassion for

others impatience all sorts of other

things I’ve started by doing something

called an empathy walk and an empathy

walk is where you pick people who are

completely different to you different

views different values different

backgrounds and you commit to walking

with them for an hour maybe two hours

and listening to their story I started

off doing them once a week I’m down to

once a month now so I am improving

and one that I did last week was with a

farmer who believes deeply and

passionately in the future of industrial

farming and pesticides and fertilizer

and all those kind of things and I am

somebody who believes that if I met the

devil in person tomorrow he would

probably have glyphosate tattooed on his

forehead and Monsanto tattooed on his

chest so that was quite a struggle for

me to do that one we also have practices

like talking partners anyone ever heard

of talking partners where you have

somebody again who’s diametrically

opposed to you and the first thing that

you do in the morning when you come in

is you talk about what’s going on for

you outside of work

trouble with the kids problem with the

husband beloved dog is about to go over

the Rainbow Bridge

and the way that in doing that that gets

rid of the fears and the tensions and

insecurities about what’s going on

outside work and when you talk about

work maybe for five or ten minutes and

it’s the civic duty of everybody in the

company to push the other partner for

greatness

so my talking partner for example is not

going to save me yeah Jenny your TED

Talks great they’re far more likely say

Jenny this is crap work a little bit

harder try again this is not quite good

enough and push we push ourselves for

greatness we also have a practice called

talking circles where when we have

learned something about our weaknesses

so if I have managed to get over my

impatience with somebody who doesn’t go

quite as fast as me will sit down in a

circle together and once a week we’ll

talk about how we’ve overcome different

challenges that we faced and we’ll film

them and we’ll put them onto a website

that’s available for anyone whoever

joins the company so they can see if

they have had a problem with the fear of

speaking in public how somebody overcame

that companies like Google like

Atlassian who make Trello any Trello

users in the house yeah they’ve taken

this a step further because they’re way

bigger than my company is and

they have automated these processes so

that instead of now having the painful

horrible annual review where everybody

gets terribly tense and your manager if

you happen to have a not-so-good manager

uses it as an opportunity to point out

what your weaknesses have been all year

you can now just simply use an app you

can tick did we do well as a team are we

open are we sharing are we trusting and

it’s open completely to everybody inside

the company so that you can work and you

can practice all of these kind of normal

hiding behaviors that we would all like

to get away from so that’s two types of

companies the first one that redesigns

four redesigns its shape for to release

creativity to release innovation to

release self responsibility the second

kind of company that helps with

psychological safety and psychological

soul development but to come back to the

beginning where I started that’s not

necessarily going to help us with the

grand challenges that we face so we need

one more type of company and there is a

companies that design for Planetary

purpose not just purpose or any old

purpose but Planetary purpose and to

help us do you we have the UN

sustainable development goals all 17 of

them but neatly encapsulate all of the

basic human needs that we talked about

earlier and what we need not just

existing companies but all startup

organizations to do is sit and look very

carefully at all of these goals and ask

all of the stakeholders all of the staff

in the organization activating all of

the kind of collective intelligence

inside the organization a simple

question what do you care about and when

work out what people care about

then he map it to what your company does

and where your company can have an

impacts to give you an example let’s

think about the humble condom there is a

father and daughter combination in

states that have set up a company called

sustained sustained condoms he is very

passionate about environmental

protection in forests of South America

he wanted to find a way to harvest

rubber and latex in a more environmental

fashion she is passionate about women’s

health and the freedom to be choose how

you want to be sexually reproductive how

many children you want to have and she’s

also passionate about freedom for women

in Africa so their company makes condoms

from sustainably sourced rubber and

latex without carcinogens because in

case you didn’t know most condoms

contain carcinogens they market them to

women to get over the issue of it not

being okay for women to carry a pack of

three and may give their profits to

charities in the United States who are

working with women’s freedom and

emancipation and to Africa and I’d like

to leave you with three questions that

you could take into work tomorrow or

whenever you next go for a job interview

that you can ask people number one how

can we redesign for autonomy and

creativity how can we redesign our

management systems take out management

and give us more freedom and autonomy

how can I help me be a more conscious

person how can you help me be a better

human and how can we activate the UN

sustainable development goals and have a

planetary purpose I really do believe

that every single business can take part

in this generational challenge that we

face and it’s really only

up to each of you as an individual in

the companies you either own or work for

to make that choice to thank you [Applause]

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