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Interview with Angie Plummer | The Academy Life | TEDxColumbusAcademy


being with us today and Ian we’re really

excited about the message that you can

share with our community so I think

going off of Watson’s introduction of

you we just want to hear a little bit

about the services that Chris provides

for refugees and immigrants in Columbus

and a little bit of insight into what

you do sure so thank you so much for

inviting me chris is community refugee

and Immigration Services and we were

founded in nineteen ninety-five our

first office was in the garage at the

Laotian temple on the east side and

we’ve graduated from a garage and now

actually have a building so about 60

employees now aside from the nine that I

had to lay off last week Chris does

refugee resettlement work which means we

help refugees who have come directly

from overseas get settled into their

housing social security office health

screening all those things that need to

happen that first 90 days that a refugee

comes to the US and then after that we

pick up with programs to help people

find jobs learn English we have legal

services program how I got involved in

1998 as a volunteer lawyer and I never

seem to leave so yeah I’ve been I’ve

been there for a while probably oh my

so for a few days I’ve been working

there a few days so where’s the

connection really start with you do you

connect with the refugees and immigrants

before they come to America’s so how

does that start off we do have some

involvement in helping file applications

for people before they come but the way

the processing works is somebody is

forced to leave their home country they

flee to another country and I’ll use the

example of the Bhutanese because I don’t

think many people are aware that

Columbus actually has the largest

Bhutanese Nepali refugee population in

the Bhutanese were forced out in the

early 90s and went to Nepal their new

poly ethnicity and predominantly Hindu

and they then lived in a refugee camp

for almost 20 years it’s the United

Nations High Commissioner for Refugees

job to provide protection and so they’re

in the camp and they sit there and they

sit there and they start businesses and

they start forming a structure for

education and so some of the children

you know get education while they’re

there and the first priority for the UN

is that people repatriate that they go

home that’s the first choice of you know

for any refugee can they go home but

typically that’s not possible so the

second choice then is they would be

integrated into the country that they

fled to so in this case Nepal you know

they speak the language they’re more

culturally similar but Nepal couldn’t

observe them either and so they waited

for 20 years for some international

solution finally the United States said

ok we’ll take 60,000 Bhutanese refugees

over a period of you know six or so

years so they’ve been coming now a

little more than that so actually

getting to the end of that pipeline but

we’re seeing people who are buying

houses now in sort of the blacklick area

so it’s been it’s been great to see

their progress yeah I think I’m one

question that comes to mind people

always wonder how do people from all

around the world end up in Columbus you

know we’re not on either coast we’re

kind of some center of the country how

does that work so with the with the

boonies for example they started out the

first group that came they didn’t know

anybody in the US so the way refugee

resettlement works is then if if

refugees are referred to a third country

for resettlement like the United States

which takes less than one percent of the

world’s refugee population for

resettlement then the people are

allocated based on if they have a family

member already here then they would go

to that location so with the boonies

example they get allocated amongst the

nine

tional resettlement agencies we resettle

for two church world service and

Episcopal migration ministries and those

nine take a percentage of whatever the

annual pool is so was 85,000 last year

so they spread that 85,000 out so those

who don’t have family members just get

put into the pool there are localities

like ours that say well we have capacity

to work with Nepali speakers you know

somali speakers Arabic speakers and so

there’s a grand plan for where people

will go but if they have family already

here then it gets to be kind of a

snowball effect so then they come to

join their family but with the Bhutanese

which is which was also common for

Somalis I mean Columbus became a you

know a hub and a welcoming community and

people tell their friends and they hear

this is a good place to live and work

and they can find service sector jobs

and so you know it becomes a magnet so

so that’s why Columbus ISM is a hub for

a lot of refugees and so you meant it a

little bit the the family connections

people trying to come reunite with their

families how long does that process

usually take so the State Department

reopened a process in fall of 2012 this

is just we’re just talking about

refugees there’s a whole other system

for filing for immigrant visas so we had

many many people filing in in 2012 and

then subsequently so a few of those

folks that filed in 2012 have come so

it’s taking three and a half four years

plus they go through DNA testing to

prove their related to someone here they

go through a series of many interviews

they go through what I’ll call extreme

feting and then they’re able to come

join their family member in the US so I

guess on extreme betting a little bit

where do you kind of where do you see

that going so you’ve mentioned you you

kind of consider what the vetting that’s

already taking place extreme betting so

what kind of things do you think they

could do to make it more extreme it’s

hard for me to know how they could

enhance it further and I was talking to

caroline on the phone and referencing

there was a really well written article

in the

Tim post this week written by Homeland

Security employee who said we already

have extreme vetting I know because I

did it and it we only have a certain

amount of time to talk about all the

steps but there are many many interviews

with many different with Homeland

Security and a State Department

contractor and all kinds of databases

and security clearances and the thing to

know is if there is any doubt the person

won’t be approved to come and going off

of that a little bit so they go through

this process is any of this time

sensitive like what are kind of the

implications of the recent executive

order on on that whole process so as we

talked about this is changing every five

minutes and I peeked at my phone and saw

that so there was the executive order

which you know band arrivals then we had

a court order that throughout parts of

that band piece of that band that was

not thrown out was the the piece that

cut the refugee arrivals in half that

was that still stands but then 10

minutes ago or whenever I saw notice

that that the government has filed an

appeal so it’s all very much in flux

what’s what’s happening right now what’s

with difficult from my perspective is

that I sit across the desk from those

people who filed applications for years

ago and I every day in the parking lot

and trying to get out of my car without

somebody stopping me before you know to

say what’s happening with my case what’s

happening with my case and I’ll say

we’re just we’re just waiting we’re just

waiting and waiting and so you know we

put this process out there for families

to be together and the band was in my

mind not thought through and that it

affected people who were in flight so

I’m

you know seeing I have children and I

have the good fortune of never having

had to live in another country from them

have never had to make the decision to

take one child and have to leave the

other one with Grandma while I try to

make my way and see if i can find safety

with the promise that i can apply for

that child when I you know get to the

United States I’ve never been in that

position and I’m very thankful for that

but I know a lot of people who have been

in that position and they followed the

rules and I sometimes forget because I’m

so immersed in refugee issues that have

to talk about refugee 101 so what

happens in the United States is not like

what’s happening in Europe everybody

every refugee is approved before they

come here they go through this extensive

vetting process that takes at least 18

to 24 months and you may have heard

there was there was an issue with two

Iraqis in Kentucky a few years ago and

the process was slow down and the

wedding was enhanced and it’s been

enhanced and enhanced and I I just from

the way the executive order was

implemented it calls into question how

much how much information is being

gathered from all the State Department

and homeland security people who have

been doing this work for so long you

know that I’m hopeful that there’s that

they’re looking at you know how does

this how does this really work and I

think they’ll they’ll find more

reassurance is once they’ve explored

that yeah I mean we were we were lucky

enough to hear this evening from one of

our own faculty members miss guerito she

told us a bit about her experience and

that she’s sensing in the time that

she’s been in the united states that

attitudes towards immigrants are

changing she felt much more welcome when

she first moved here the perception was

that you know immigrants were people

that were excited to be here and wanted

to work make this country better

contribute and now people are a little

more uncertain they’re not as welcoming

is that something that you feel in the

columbus community is that reflected

here

we’ve certainly been extremely fortunate

with our public officials the mayor and

city council county commissioners have

been extremely welcoming and supportive

for you know many years so we’ve been

lucky in Columbus what I will say is

we’ve seen an outpouring of support of

people who want to be welcome teams we

have many church groups that we work

with our families and people that you

know I like to get personal one-on-one

experiences with families because I

think that’s what changes you know

changes minds and hearts and once you

know someone it’s much harder to to be

afraid of them and I guess going a

little bit more into that can you just

said shed some light on like who’s

coming to columbus who are the people

that you’ve been interacting with like

what is that community look like for you

so last of for fiscal year 2016 which

for us is you know october starts

october one we resettled 833 individuals

and there are three resettlement

agencies in columbus so of our 833 I

think thirty eight percent were

Bhutanese followed next by thirty some

percent Somali and then we had iraqis

some Syrians Congolese Ugandan Eritrea

and Ethiopia and Iranian you know a mix

of people and you know many of the

Iraqis served with the US military

Somalis come and and I I should never

read the reader comments that I see on

but there’s a such a misperception I was

doing a press conference with five of

these moms this week and the comments

say you know none of these people work

and I’ve actually all five of those

women work at least one job and maybe

one or two jobs and they and they you’re

doing jobs that most people don’t want

to do you know they’re they’re doing

housekeeping in hotels and they’re doing

warehouse work you know sometimes we’ll

have somebody who can jump right into

maybe what their background has been but

that’s much harder so when they’re first

hear they got to take any job and get go

so so we have yeah I mean we have a real

real mix of people it’s tough usually

when when people first arrived hard to

find housing for folks who don’t have

any credit history don’t have a job we

give them eleven hundred and twenty-five

dollars per person one time that’s a

federal pass through so that’s their

startup money so if you’re a family of

two that doesn’t go very far by the time

you’ve paid a rent deposit and your

first month’s rent and then single

individuals only get you know limited

amount of assistance and they’ve got to

really get get to work so we’re

fortunate right now the economy is good

so we’ve been able to find jobs pretty

easily work with a lot of big employers

that I’ve got one sugar creek that

provides a vehicle to pick up pick up

refugees in Columbus take them to

washington court house and back again

every day so we yeah yeah so I don’t

think we have too much time left but I

think the last thing we wanted to talk

to you about so the current

administration and supporters of this

travel ban kind of defended saying we’re

making America safer mm-hmm how would

you respond to all of the different

defenses of the travel ban first of all

you have to think about who refugees are

I mean these are people who are running

from terrorists and terrorism so that’s

number one number two we already have

extreme vetting I don’t know how you can

do it more thoroughly they I think they

have the right to take a look at the

system but calling it a pause is really

misleading because we for example have

at least 500 people overseas waiting to

join family members here including very

young children and elderly people who

are not a security threat and the way it

was crafted is you know it’s keeping

these families apart I just it’s not

mutually exclusive that you can have you

know security and compassion at the same

time

thank you so much again for being with

us [Applause]

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