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In the Space of the Immeasurable. | Padmavati Rao | TEDxNMIMSBangalore


so today the title of my talk is in the

space of the immeasurable so what are

the words that come to mind when one

speaks of the immeasurable infinity

eternity feelings emotions intuition

dreams memories peace harmony love and

so on and so for the list is endless now

we know of the five elements in the

indian scriptures the first element

being space often understood with use of

words like ether ether spirit sky from

the times of the Puranas Plato Aristotle

Einstein Newton Rudolf Steiner three

Aurobindo and in more recent times

Laszlo and many philosophers thinkers

scientists have dwelled upon this

element which came to be called the

fifth element which we believed was the

first which was the source of the next

four elements a fire water earth how do

we see these playing out in our lives we

know that we can be as connected as the

air or we can rage like a fire or be

flowing with our ideas and thoughts like

water or be has rooted and yet in motion

like the earth but when it comes to

space this infinite undefinable

unquantifiable element what is it that

actually manifests itself

in our lives and often have grappled

with this question what is it that is

immeasurable within each one of us

within me there is a joy I experience

when I sing when I perform and that to

me is immeasurable just as joy is

immeasurable I find pain to immeasurable

now I’m not talking of physical pain

we’ve managed to measure that but when

it comes to feelings and emotions how

does one measure that I remember I lost

my parents and I lost them to death I

lost another very dear person my friend

philosopher guide and much more to death

and then it was in a court of law

in an ugly court battle that I was to be

separated from my sons and that void

that it left in my children’s lives

I cannot imagine the magnitude of that

how does one measure the width of

unsheathe years how does one calculate

the sorrow that is carried in tears

well I myself roamed around with a

bottomless pit hollow in my heart and

mind for a long time and often I would

have people say to me oh my god we’d be

dead if we had to go through half of

what you went through and I would wish I

was actually sometimes and yet I seem to

go on I seem to survive and I wondered

where that was coming from where was

this faith in the universe that some

grace of the universe will prevail where

was this coming from because that hollow

that seemed to swallow every hope every

joy every strength of mine now seemed to

hold all of my inner strength and that I

think is there in each one of us

every child but I come in touch with

through my work through theater through

film and I think that is what is

prevailing most of the time in our most

vulnerable moments that is where our

inner strength Springs out of and it was

a bad time that I felt that this is

where it is seeded it is seeded in that

fifth element in that sky within what is

seeded is that thought the seed of the

thought dwells there the origin of

intuition that strength that inner

strength and it exists with a quality of

diversity that diversity which we find

all around us in nature you go take a

look at a garden you don’t have a go to

garden go look at a pot or look at some

modern a pot it holds the power to give

birth to nurture growth to make

something blossom and that exists in

each one of us in every child

monoculture is not the way nature

survives or sustains itself and yet we

seem to buy into that idea whether it is

in our agricultural systems or whether

it is in our educational systems we seem

to buy into the idea of mono perfection

we want our children to be just one

thing and we tailor our educational

systems to do just that why

and in the process learning becomes so

much of a pressure and hardly a pressure

as recently as January 6 The Times of

India carried an article which said

Karnataka lost one student every day to

suicide 1.47 to be precise and cover now

to top the list with 2.68

how much is 0.47 of a child

how much is 0.68 of a child numbers

candy

human eyes surely they do and yet we

allow it we buy into that idea we

endorse it we encourage it

we even enforce it in the lives of our

children in classrooms numbers matter in

schools numbers matter to a child marks

begin to matter more than they’re worth

it’s all around us

in entertainment eyeballs matter in

shopping malls foot falls matter where

does the individual matter it is in the

arts and crafts it is informing that the

individual and the larger context the

micro and the macro both matter and now

that brings me to that immeasurable part

of the performer in every child you know

there is the measured part of the

performance of course which can be

reduced to number of seats occupied

tickets sold but I’m talking about the

experience the Rosanna Brava as it’s

called that shared synergy that bond

between the performer and the audience

that immeasurable response that shared

gaze between the two it could be through

laughter it could be through applause it

would be through did a nervous cough or

it could be through just a silent ear or

plane silence and this resonant hug is

available to the child remember the

times when as a child we played you

played things like house house under a

bed the cot itself became the roof of

the house and you played out rules of

people who were part of your life people

you’d met or people you’d seen from a

distance and it was just for the fun of

it not to win not to gain points and

there was something happening there we

were learning of life and

doesn’t seem to happen in the classroom

because there seems to be more

competition than collaboration in the

classroom in theatres we are very

vulnerable as actors very often we are

falling physically flat on our faces or

even figuratively and that’s the worst

because those cars don’t show on the

outside but my god they really hurt and

here in the classroom that very thing is

happening but there’s no room for the

expression of love of true heartfelt

hand-holding for empathy for sympathy

for compassion numbers it’s a number

game you can’t have 30 kids in a class

going and sitting and hugging each other

out of sympathy so it doesn’t happen but

in theatre it’s possible it’s happening

all the while and often we fall on our

faces and the situation demands that you

get up on your own dust your bottom and

get on with it but there is somewhere

this knowledge of being in the same boat

of being together of knowing that one is

not alone and in that just developing

that inner strength that sky within that

space within which allows you the

freedom to make mistakes to learn easily

and effortlessly from someone else’s

mistakes and your own and in that the

learning gets internalized it is it all

happens in a very free manner and that

is what happens in farming you throw a

seed if a child gets to throw a seed and

watch something grow the child learns of

life’s processes right from birth to

death and everything in between

without anything being repressed or

suppressed learning is not disjointed

but in our classrooms we seem to box our

children into rooms and then we do that

for years and later on in life we are

telling them to think out of the box as

Aurobindo said the first principle of

truth

thing is that nothing can be taught

there was an actor who came and we were

doing the plane we were workshopping and

he had to play hide and seek and it was

his turn to take the dents so gladly he

did and he started counting but he stood

in the middle of the room with his eyes

open and started counting so he said no

you have to close your eyes and then

counts so he stood right there and

closed his eyes and started counting and

we said no you have to go to a wall at

the side and then count so he goes to

this wall but he’s still standing in the

center of the wall and facing us and he

said we hide with you facing us even if

your eyes are closed and I was excited

by then and I said come on haven’t you

ever played hide-and-seek before don’t

you know how to play it back came the

answer in a feeble tone no he said I

played structured games we played tennis

basketball football badminton and such

games we just stood there shocked but

after that we played hide and seek every

day now if this this was an actor who

knew all the techniques he had them all

at his beck and call he knew them he had

learned them but it wasn’t available to

him when it came to actually expressing

himself of finding the child with him I

Steiner says we can find nature outside

of us only when we had first learned to

know her within us what is akin to her

within us must be our guide this marks

our path of enquiry and we played

hide-and-seek every day after that for

quite some time to come and something

happened something immeasurable

something I cannot quantify for you but

something happened and he found it this

actor was able to do what was required

he had found the child with him and this

is what we are hoping will happen in

education

because we seem to be losing out on our

traditional learning systems we seem to

be losing out on the wealth that is

possible for us through those we’re

losing out on our lullabies mothers are

hardly singing the lullaby to their

children and I believe the lullaby holds

people’s songs

yes but people’s stories the song of the

heart the dance of emotions that is what

the lullaby holds and we seem to be

losing that we find even in the crafts

people are forgetting how to make those

knots they know the steps in between but

they’re forgetting how to begin a piece

and how to end it even a simple thing

like a Gojira we don’t know how to begin

it and ended we know that got lots in

between but we don’t know how to tie it

up and that is very precious because if

we lose what is precious in the hands if

we lose dexterity then we’re losing

something immeasurable in our hearts and

minds something that allows us to

construct deconstruct and reconstruct

this can happen through farming natural

farming arts and crafts so the points I

make in conclusion are open the sky

within to the sky without include

natural farming arts and crafts in

education nurture traditional and

contemporary knowledge systems imagine a

child making a film on the flora and

fauna in his village or a child making

an a theatre piece or an animation film

on a weave that is peculiar to her

village that would be priceless and we

need to do this with no grading let us

value rather than evaluate for us to be

able to draw from our hearts all that is

precious from the sky within to the sky

you [Applause]

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