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I don’t believe in work-life balance | Andrew Agerbak | TEDxBrunelUniversityLondon


I want to share a little bit about the

topic of work-life balance and I wanted

to start with a provocative

but as you see on the screen I think

there might be a better way or a better

question to ask then can I achieve

work-life balance

now I had a surprising experience

recently working as a management

consultant

I was sent on a training course and as

part of the preparations for the

training course I had to invite a whole

group of my colleagues to provide 360

degree feedback on what I’m good at

and what are my areas for development

and there was a great mix of both but

one of the things that others my

colleagues highlighted is an area of

strength was they thought I had a good

work-life balance and this was a

surprise to me because that was not my

experience so I have lots of different

hats that I wear at work I serve clients

I help them develop software better at

scale in large complex environments I

help develop the topic for my firm I

also help develop and mentor colleagues

I’m a married man I’ve been fortunate to

be married to Rhoda for 28 years and

we’ve known each other for 34 years I

think it is we have four wonderful

children you can see up here on the

screen Ella and Isabelle are both off at

University themselves Alice is about to

go off to college next year

and tobey’s 11 and they’re wonderful

they’re also a real handful you know

having four kids is a serious

responsibility I’m also a person of

faith and I’m very actively involved in

the church group that picture on the

bottom right you see there as me and a

couple of other characters singing a

very very silly song to the great

embarrassment of my children at a teen

summer camp that I take a week off work

every year to help support and then I’m

also a chairman of the board of a

medium-sized charity and I sit on the

board of a consortium of IT firms and

people who want to get the most value

out of IT and so there’s lots and lots

going on in my life and I often feel

like things aren’t

completely in control even on the way

here I was so eager to get off the plane

that dev mentioned that I neglected to

check that I had all of my possessions

with me and I got through passport

control and thought my bag is feeling a

little bit light and lo and behold I

realized that my laptop on which I take

carefully taken my notes to prepare for

this talk was where I’d left it

underneath the seat in front of me now

thankfully my laptop was retrieved and

I’m looking forward to retrieving my

precious when I get back to the airport

in in an hour or twos time but it often

feels to me like I’m spinning these

different plates of work and family and

church and you know other activities

that I’m passionate about and I’m

running around and it always feels like

there’s at least one plate that is

wobbling and is in danger of falling to

the ground with a big crash and so I

wondered why is it then that my

colleagues seem to feel that I have a

better sense of work-life balance than

perhaps they experienced themselves and

I don’t know that I have objectively the

answer and I’m certainly not claiming

that my life is all together but I would

like to share with you three things that

have helped me to answer a slightly

different question

so the first conviction I have is that I

decided to pursue fulfilment rather than

balance you know working in management

consulting I started out as a consultant

on our generalist career track in the

firm that I work for and there’s an up

or out expectation in other words every

two or three years you either progress

to the next level in the career track or

you’re given the encouragement to find a

new career outside of the firm and after

having been a consultant and a project

leader you know a year or two into that

I was wrestling with would I make it to

the next level to become a principal and

I realized that I was getting a lot of

for some of the areas for development

that were not where they need to be and

not much appreciation and reward and

recognition for some of the deep most

specialist technology skills that I

brought with me to the firm and I spoke

to my boss about it I spoke to my career

advisor and they said look why don’t you

take some time away from work to really

reflect on what’s the right thing for

you what like the next steps might be

and so I took two months off work and at

the end of it I came back and my career

manager chuckle Ralph

I said look and er I think you’d be

better suited if you move sideways to

what we called an expert career track

and this is an area where you’ll get

more recognition for the deep technical

skills that you’ve brought to the firm

and a little bit less grief for some of

the spike enos of your skills profile

that you’ve experienced so far and

what’s more you’ll get 20% of your time

away from billable client work in order

to be able to speak at conferences and

write white papers and do other things

and I thought wow that’s actually when I

look back at the two previous companies

I’ve worked for those are the kinds of

things that I’m really passionate about

I really enjoy doing and so that’s what

I decided to do and that’s worked out

really really well for me as a project

leader principal Associate Director and

now director in the firm the other thing

I learned out of this experience was I

came back from the two months away and I

thought surely the world will have come

to a stop without my direct engagement

in the workforce and to my dismay

everything had continued completely as

it was before in fact quite a lot of my

colleagues didn’t even realize that I’ve

been away for two months they thought I

always been staffed on a project in

Uzbekistan or somewhere far away and

that was a real eye-opener for me you

know initially I was a little bit

disappointed if I’m honest that I wasn’t

more you know irreplaceable to my

colleagues into my clients but then I

realized actually if it’s possible to

disappear for two

months at a time with it between

projects in consulting at least that’s

something I could perhaps do more often

in order to pursue some of the other

things that I’m at least as passionate

about as going to work every day and so

a couple of years later I took my whole

family away to India and in addition to

doing the usual touristy things like

going to the Taj Mahal I also did some

work with an amazing charity called Hope

worldwide that was doing great things

with orphans with leprosy patients with

underprivileged kids and their education

with immunization with maternal health

and my wife myself and our kids were all

able to find a way that we could do

something meaningful even in our short

trip and it was such a wonderful

experience for us that we’ve since been

back to Nepal and we’ve helped with

earthquake relief there we’ve also got

involved with the same charity in their

work they do here in London with

homelessness and with drug rehab drug

use a real rehabilitation and recovery

and I’ve realised hey that’s you know

it’s only a small part of what I spend

my time doing but it’s something that

that instills passion in me and that

makes me more and more excited you know

last year I again took a month off work

and went

mountain climbing with my daughter

Isabel you know she’s off at university

and I realized hey we don’t have as many

opportunities to spend time together as

we used to when she lived at home I want

to make sure I create special

opportunities to connect together with

her and with my other kids at this

precious stage in their lives and you

know each of these helped remind me of

what I’m passionate about what I find

most fulfilled and so my life is

definitely not balanced by any sane

person’s description but I’d like to

think that it’s fulfilled the second

lesson that I discovered was realizing

that I had to say no more often you know

you’ve probably realized by now that I’m

not someone who finds it easy to say no

to things I love to say yes let’s go for

this adventure yes let’s try this new

project I’ll develop this new topic and

I had a conversation about

ten years ago that flipped my thinking

on this subject

it’s a fellow called friend of mine

called John Oakes who is a science

lecturer at University in San Diego and

he’s very passionate about the idea that

faith and science actually complement

each other rather than being opposites

that are in conflict with each other and

he takes several weeks I think it is

every year to travel around the world

and speak at different conferences and

churches and different debates to share

his convictions on this subject and I’ve

been to one of his talks and I was

sitting down having lunch with him

afterwards and I said John I found what

you do so inspiring it’s a topic that’s

close to my heart I’d like to do some of

what you do and my kids at that stage

were sort of between the ages of about

one and twelve and he said to me Andrew

you know you’re about the next 10 years

of your life are going to be the busiest

time of your entire life now may not be

the best time to suddenly embark on a

major new time commitment and I was

initially just disappointed you know I

had this idea I was excited about I

really wanted to pursue it and he just

poured cold water over it but the more I

thought about it the more I realized

that he actually made sense and I needed

to focus on just doing a great job of

being a husband being a dad you know

being a management consultant you know

being a great you know participant in

the church community that I’m part of

you know those are the four things I

said I’m really passionate about and if

I do a great job with those I’m gonna

feel excited about that if I go chasing

after rainbows chasing chasing after the

next shiny thing then I might not you

know I might regret the compromises I’m

making with the things I’m most

passionate about and so realizing that I

had to say know a little bit more often

maybe a lot more often then I previously

had was an eye-opening moment for me and

it certainly helped me over the last 10

years to to do better at the things that

and finally keep calm and drink coffee

you know my life wouldn’t at all be

possible you know the fulfilled

passionate busy slightly crazy life that

I live

wouldn’t it all be passionate be

possible without the incredible

partnership and support I have with my

wife Rhoda and one of the key strengths

I think we have in knowing each other

for 34 years and been married for 28 is

that we have a lot of the same values

the same priorities the same commitment

and through our journey of life together

having children and her being a teacher

and then child minder and now counselor

that’s been a great rocking of strength

to us and yet very often when the plates

were starting to wobble and maybe one or

two of them fell we’d find we had

conflict because she was expecting me to

anticipate these challenges a little bit

earlier and she’s generally a lot more

perceptive than me about when things are

starting to go off the rails and she

says to me that she’d like me to listen

to her a little bit more often in order

to identify these issues at least I

think that’s what she said and and yet I

find that often in the hustle and bustle

of life even though we spent time

talking together we wouldn’t make the

time and space to step back and reflect

and we discovered one Saturday morning

as we went out to a favorite coffee

place there was something magical about

going out for coffee

not necessarily the coffee beans

themselves although I do like my grande

skinny wet latte but but just a very act

of getting out of the house getting away

from the hustle and bustle of kids and

laundry and emails and notifications and

all of the pressures that seem to be

around made a quiet space where we could

step back from the here and now and

think okay how is our marriage you know

how we doing how we communicating how

are our expectations and plans going you

know how is Ella or Isabelle or Alice or

Toby you know what do they need from a

to have the conversations where she said

to me okay Toby’s now six or seven you

know he needs more time for his dad you

know we need to make a structural change

or we’ve been at each other’s throats a

little bit for the last two or three

weeks and we talked about is this just a

short-term thing or is this a structural

thing you know sometimes it’s just a

busy project or two projects at the same

time or as a small transitional thing

where our schedules changed and we say

okay this is just for a short period of

time and as long as we know it’s just

two weeks or just four weeks we can say

okay we’ll hold each other’s arms up

we’ll support each other and it’s going

to be fine other times we realize

actually this is a structural change in

our lives you know our kid has moved on

to a next stage of college or my role

has changed at work or she’s gone back

to college to study counseling and

things are going to be different around

here we need to make a structural change

and we found us getting outside of our

daily routine going out for a cup of

coffee and has made room for those

conversations and has enabled us to

listen to each other and certainly for

me to be a better listener to my wife

than I previously had been and that’s

made an enormous difference and I

wouldn’t say that we’ve achieved balance

because it always feels like you know

the plates are wobbling a little bit but

it allows us to spot the wobbles a

little bit earlier and to intervene and

at least to choose which plates we mind

less falling to the ground and to choose

to invest in and to support and to keep

spinning you know the four or five

plates that we feel most passionate

about and that we find most fulfilling

so in wrapping up the day talking about

the future of us you know making a your

life sustainable is certainly important

but I would encourage you to think less

about a mythical ideal of work-life

balance or student life balance and

instead to pursue a passion to identify

what your 3 or 4 deepest passions are

and to

really invest and double down in those

to go after them to say no to other

things that might distract you from them

and to take a little bit of time out of

your day with the people closest to you

to step back from the hustle and bustle

and to redirect yourself to keep

spinning those most important most

passionate plates in order to find a

great future for yourself and for us all

thank you very much [Applause]

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