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Can Neuroscience help us eradicate psychopathy? | Octavio Choi | TEDxPortlandStateUniversity


so I usually begin this talk when I give

it by giving the latest slide of a mass

shooting and depressingly I’ve had to

update this slide every single time I’ve

given this talk so this is of course the

Florida shooting that occurred last last

week 17 people killed that comes hot in

the heels of the Las Vegas shooting in

LA in last October that killed 59 the

deadliest mass shooting in America and a

month after that the Texas shooting that

killed 26 so we’ve had three the

deadliest shootings in the u.s. happened

that past five months if it seems like

there’s more and more mass shootings

these days you’re right every year the

number of mass shootings goes up so

violence is a problem I’m a forensic

psychiatrist with a background in

neuroscience and I spent a lot of time

thinking about these questions which

we’ll be exploring in the talk why do

people commit violence how can we reduce

violence and can neuroscience help so

when we look at the world of repeat

violent offenders and look underneath

the hood we see basically three

different groups those with mental

illness a group of people we call

antisocial and within that group of

anti-social is a hardcore group of

anti-socials that we called Psychopaths

one way to differentiate these groups is

that generally people with severe mental

illness commit violent acts for

irrational reasons whereas those who are

antisocial and Psychopaths typically

commit violent acts due to rational

reasons now ever after every mass

shooting there’s typically some sort of

scapegoating of a mentally ill and

that’s happened this time as well and I

want to explain to you why I think

that’s so misguided so the severely

mentally ill comprise 4 percent of the

adult population but they only commit 3

percent of overall violence so in other

words the people of severe mental

illness are actually less violent than

the average person and when you look at

mass shootings less than 1% of mass

shootings have to do with someone with a

severe mental illness to contrast that

the group of psychopaths so psycho

psychopaths comprise 1 percent of the

adult population they comprise 20% of

the prison population and because they

recidivate so frequently it’s thought

that they’re responsible for over half

of all violent crime

this is a group of people we’re studying

and worth trying to cure if possible so

psychopaths are labeled cold-blooded

killers and there’s a group of qualities

that that unites them so typically it

stucco paths or emotionally detached

they’re said to lack empathy they lack

remorse

so after committing horrible acts that

we would feel very guilty about they

feel no guilt at all they have low

levels of anxiety and fear and the type

of violence they inflict typically as

planned aggression as opposed to

reactive impulsive aggression and very

curiously

many if not most come from intact

backgrounds and if you’re like me you’re

like really they come from intact

backgrounds yeah really

most of them come from intact

backgrounds and this is strong evidence

that psychopathy is a genetic condition

as opposed to something that was created

by a bad environment if we look at the

evidence for the biological basis of

psychopathy it’s strong so again there’s

no detectable differences in family

backgrounds between Psychopaths and non

Psychopaths we also know from twin

studies that is strongly heritable and

the traits are apparent from early

childhood and you can also see brain

differences from a very early age all of

this adds up to the fact to the to the

conclusion that psychopathy is

essentially a genetic condition and the

idea is that bad genes lead to brain

abnormalities and those brain

abnormalities can help explain deviant

behaviors so psychopaths are said to

lack conscience and actually the study

of psychopathy has been a tremendous

boon to neuroscience by studying the

brains of psychopaths neuroscientists

have come to a much better idea of what

the conscience is and most of art and

remarkably what parts of the brain are

required to have conscience so I want to

introduce you to a brain area called the

ventral medial prefrontal cortex or the

vmPFC which is a key brain area

necessary to have a conscience

so the ventral medial prefrontal cortex

it’s in between the middle halves of

both hemispheres and it’s a key area for

emotional intelligence and it

participates in three activities that I

would argue generates our conscience the

first is it creates it so it creates

emotional memories which form the basis

of social inhibitions the second is it

is a central brain area for imagination

and

imagination to have empathy the third

characteristic is it’s a place of major

role in impulse control which we need to

have to make wise decisions these three

qualities to have social inhibitions to

have empathy and to have impulse control

I would argue constitute the core of

what we mean by having a conscience and

Psychopaths have defective ventromedial

prefrontal cortexes so that means you

don’t do these things they don’t have a

conscience and you’re more likely to end

up like this guy so let’s take these one

at a time so emotional memories so I

have a toddler named Kyle and anyone

who’s raised toddler knows that toddlers

can be little savages they fight they

kick they scream and over time we

civilize them how do we civilize them

it’s all about negative feedback right

so every time you did something bad like

hit your brother your mom said don’t do

that it made you feel kind of bad in

your body this is the part of the brain

that stories had emotional linkage so

that the next time you contemplate

hitting Little Billy it replays that

emotion so you feel bad in your body and

hopefully that guides you away from from

doing that violence an act and over time

this forms are the basis of our social

inhibitions against doing violent acts

the next part is the ventral medial

prefrontal cortex plays an essential

role in what I call the imagination

engine which which is essential to have

empathy so what do we mean by empathy

empathy is the ability to understand and

share the feelings of another it’s the

foundation for pro-social behavior and

there’s an obvious evolutionary benefit

if we act pro-social II you know to

others

it means we can live in large groups and

those large groups help protect from

predators and help us get resources and

the key thing about empathy is that it

requires imagination it requires that

you put yourself in the shoes of another

person now having an imagination is one

of the coolest things your brain pulls

off so when you think about it you can

close your eyes and think back to a

really significant day in your life

maybe it’s the day you got married

maybe it’s the day you got divorced

maybe said hey that’s here that your

firstborn child was born the thing is

you can close your eyes and replay those

events with sounds and visuals and

thoughts and feelings you can literally

refeel the feelings that you had with

that event we can do the same thing with

imagining things in their few

with imagining various hypotheticals

asking your boss for a raise and when

you think about asking you boss for a

raise your imagination engine kicks into

gear and you can literally feel your

hearts are in a pound faster right so

it’s a really cool trick and the brain

accomplish assists with the imagination

engine which is a series of

interconnected brain area brain areas

that work in concert to create virtual

simulations simulations so he can replay

past events he can recreate it can

create future events you can create

hypotheticals it can also create you

know models of other people so we can

guess what other people are thinking and

feeling now the really cool thing is

different parts of the imagination

engine compute different parts of this

simulation so one important part is the

hippocampus which is an important area

from memory these memories feed the

imagination engine with past experiences

for which with which you can create new

experiences the dorsal medial prefrontal

cortex is essential area to that it

helps us figure out what other people

might be thinking so it gives us

cognitive understanding the ventral

medial prefrontal cortex helps us

imagine what other people might be

feeling not only do we know what other

people might be feeling this area helps

us to feel what they might be feeling

now the thing of psychopaths is that

their dorsal medial prefrontal cortex is

intact so they can perfectly well

imagine you know what what you might be

thinking right so that allows them to

lie and manipulate really well but they

have defects in the ventral medial

prefrontal cortex so they have trouble

feeling what other people are feeling in

other words they have impaired empathy

and if you have impaired empathy and you

can’t feel what other people are feeling

essentially other people are objects and

we treat objects really differently than

people right throwing out a hard drive

that’s no big deal right

so a famous psychopathy researchers put

it this way

psychopaths know the words but not the

music all right let’s go to the last

function that I want to talk about with

the ventromedial prefrontal cortex its

role in impulse control so we introduce

you to two areas of the brain you might

have heard of ready one is the amygdala

the other one is the nucleus accumbens

now the amygdala is our monster detector

these are ancient both of these are

ancient parts of the brain that

constantly scan the environment for

things that help you survive the

amygdala is our monster detector so it’s

on the it’s on the lookout for things

that might be might constitute threats

to you and when it finds something that

might be a threat to you

it generates an emotion that makes you

want to watch you move away from that

object emotions like fear your nucleus

accumbens is your donut detector so it’s

constantly looking out on for things

that are pleasurable to you and when it

finds it finds those things it generates

an emotion that makes you want to

approach those things right things like

attraction or craving now the thing is

you know we don’t always run away from

everything that’s carrying we don’t run

to every donut that we come across well

most of us don’t right why is that and

the reason why is because the amygdala

and the nucleus accumbens are not

decision-making areas of the brain they

feed information to other brain areas

which do make decisions brain areas like

the ventromedial prefrontal cortex so

the ventral medial prefrontal cortex is

like a wise teacher that sits in your

brain and receives information from

these impulses about the scary monsters

and the donuts and says well okay

I got I hear you amygdala I hear your

nucleus accumbens but I’m not so sure we

should act on those impulses it consults

other areas of the brain to give it

access to past experiences and to

reasons so it’s able to compute an

integrated decision based on experiences

reasons and the impulses to make wise

decisions now in contrast so if you’re

so if you look at a psychopathic brain

there are several brain differences one

is your amygdala is less active and

smaller so they truly are less fearful

of things in general there are nucleus

accumbens on the other hand is

overactive so don’t us look super tasty

to them

this definitely shouldn’t move to

Portland and like as I said before the

ventral medial prefrontal cortex doesn’t

function so hot so instead of having

this wise guru in your brain you have

something like this guy right and so you

know you’re less able to compute these

integrated wise decisions and you’re

more a slave of your impulses so when

you talk about a psychopathic brain this

is a brain that is not set up for fear

and super set up for immediate

gratification that makes you an

impulsive person so moving on to the

last part of the talk scan psych and

psychopathy be cured well yes in theory

so if we know the biological causes of

psychopathy we should be able to design

rational biological solutions to

psychopathy and we should be able to

come up with with therapy is that each

of these levels at the gene at the brain

and with

behavior so let’s take these one at a

time so most of you is popular of gene

therapy modern medicine is getting

better and better it’s nipping out bad

sections of genes and putting in good

genes and in fact two months ago the FDA

approved the very first gene therapy

treatment in the US but the problem with

psychopathy is that we don’t yet know we

know that it’s a genetic condition but

we don’t yet know what those genes are

and we know from indirect evidence that

there are many genes that are involved

so they get to the point where we can

identify all those genes and then fix

all those genes simultaneously it’s

gonna require a lot of technical

advancements so gene therapy would will

be a cure one day but that day is quite

far off what about at the level of the

brain can we change brain activity in a

way to make psychopaths more empathetic

we live in a golden age of neuroscience

and there are so many modalities I would

love to tell you about that we can now

use to influence brain activity what are

the most promising is on the right here

it’s called transcranial magnetic

stimulation you basically put a magnetic

coil on on top of the head and it it it

generates magnetic pulses that can

generate that can pass through the skull

and and either stimulate or inhibit the

brain underneath it so this is a way we

can safely and reversibly either

increase the activity brain areas or

decrease the activity of brain areas and

there been lots of studies that show

that if you do the TMS it’s just the

right spots in the brain you can

actually increase empathy now you know

there are many technical barriers until

this this technology can be perfected

but really I think that the main barrier

is not technical but it’s a social

barrier so when I look at technology is

like implanting electrodes in your brain

or you know pulsing your brain a

magnetic waves I think that’s super cool

but many of you might think more like

this you know like yuck that’s a little

that’s a little creepy

you know the minds of sacred space and

we don’t like the idea of people messing

with our minds especially if it’s

against our will like we would have to

do a Psychopaths right so I think the

main barriers here to really fully

implementing brain technologies to cure

psychopathy are societal barriers

well what about behaviors can we change

psychopathic behaviors and so there’s

been lots of studies on empathy training

so I you know I’ve argued through the

brain the genes in the brain that

empathy is an inborn ability but it’s

also a skill and skills improve with

practice there are literally dozens of

programs that have been validated and

shown to increase empathy

if you actually apply them you know the

problem is practice requires motivation

and when you think about it why would

Psychopaths want to be more empathetic

you know from the point of view of a

psychopath you know we’re all suckers

waiting to be conned right and for a lot

of Psychopaths they might think that the

lack of empathy is an advantage right

they’re not like encumbered by morality

right so then the question becomes how

do we create a world where Psychopaths

make pro-social choices see the idea is

that biology is not destiny I’ve argued

that placa paths are biologically

different they have less empathy for

instance but just just happen the mere

fact that you have less empathy than

average doesn’t make you automatically

make you a serial murderer right so you

know let’s say you have a baby and this

happens to be my baby baby Dean who is

not a psychopath

but let’s say there is a baby that has

low levels of empathy it doesn’t

automatically follow that they become a

serial murderer right maybe they should

they can become a surgeon right the

plots of studies that show that surgeons

on average are less empathetic than the

average person and that might be a good

thing right because if you’re doing

surgery right you kind of want to be

able shut off your emotions and focus on

the super complicated cognitive task at

hand right so the question becomes how

do we nudge this baby away from being a

serial murderer and to become a surgeon

I think the key is to realize that

although Psychopaths have defects with

their emotions that they are irrational

and some would say they are hyper

rational because they’re not like

encumbering or you know they’re not like

encumbered by emotions and they can play

by the rules beautifully when it suits

them and so we can view a lot of their

criminal behavior is actually selfish

but rational choices to get the things

that they want resources respect power

whatever it is the idea is that if we

can create an offer rational altruistic

at alternatives maybe they’ll do that

instead of crime right so how do we

create a world where altruism is a way

to get ahead I believe there are three

conditions we have to meet basic needs

have to be met the rules have to be fair

and the culture has to support

cooperation so Abraham Maslow studied

what you know what humans need to to

survive and thrive and this is the

famous pyramid of needs right and so the

lowest level of needs are physiological

needs like food and water the next level

where safety needs it’s only when those

needs are met can you start the thing

about societal needs right

so if you live below this line right

sort of like you’re living in a war zone

where the resources are scarce since

like it’s a zero-sum game the more you

have the less I have right so altruistic

and selfish interests do not align in

that kind of world it’s only when these

basic needs are met that we can have the

possibility that selfish and altruistic

acts can and can coincide but the rules

have to be fair and the culture has to

be supportive so the bottom line is we

are all responsible I’ve said that

psychopaths are the 1% of the population

that’s responsible for 50% of all

violent acts but ending violence isn’t

just about fixing Psychopaths we also

need to fix the world around them and

this is what our responsively ronson

responsibility is this is what we need

to do everyone in this room needs to do

if we want to reduce violence we have to

make sure that there’s universal access

to basic needs things like food safety

and shelter it’s only after those basic

needs are met that that there is a

potential to thank altruistic Lee once

those needs are met we still need to

work on creating a fairer world you know

most of you in this room who are not

criminals you know had lots of

opportunities right – not lots of

non-criminal alternatives to get the

things that you want to have a good job

and resources and stuff like that so we

need to make sure that those

opportunities are available to everyone

so we can give potential Psychopaths

non-criminal alternatives we also have

to work on creating a kind world a world

where we’re you know it’s things where

kindness is reward is recognized and

rewarded and encouraged I’m thinking

about the think about the worst

workplace you ever worked at like some

corporate law firm or whatever I think

about the best workplace you ever worked

at those cultures are super different

because they value different things if

we create a world that values kindness

will have more kind people in it so if

we do these three things give universal

access to basic needs create a fair

world and create a kind world we’re

essentially creating a world where the

rational and the selfish choice is the

altruistic choice and we’ll we should

have more surgeons and fewer murderers I

leave I let leave you with the words the

dilemma my religion is very simple my

religion is kindness thank you

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