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A History of Coochie Conversations | Kagure Mugo & Siphumeze Khundayi | TEDxCapeTownWomen


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so basically we live in a world that is

so sexually powerful and electric but so

sexually violent that you don’t know

whether to masturbate or carry a machete

it’s true it’s true the thing about sex

is that it’s so taboo but we wanted so

damn that we want to feel it we want to

stand by it we want to engage with it we

want to take it out for dinner and

message it a little too soon but we also

want to pretend that it doesn’t exist

the thing is speaking about our sex in

groups is hard and it seems that there’s

a little bit of a mass silence when was

the last time you spoke about your

staying power or your favorite sex

positions or even your orgasms with

those around you it would seem that

there’s a little bit of a mass silence

and we’re hiding gems of goodness and

guidance from each other but we’re

actually here to tell you about women

talking about their sex most

specifically African women and why this

is important for us to do all the time

because the thing is as women we don’t

properly actively engage with our sex

even because we tell ourselves to not be

open about our trust game oh we are told

that we shouldn’t as proper women be

chatting about it but when it comes to

ideas of our bodies our sex and our

pleasure were more often than not silent

and this hush-hush attitude allows for

ideas of rape culture and accepting bad

my rape culture let me clarify my rape

culture will mean ideas of women’s

bodies as something to be owned

something to be conquered things like

smashing the giving her the D

penetration all of these words imply

being overpowered was we wait idly by as

women for the phallic symbol to orbit

and prepare for entry and the thing is

were silent because how can we speak

business that isn’t ours but it is our

business were not meant to be silent

during sex but active willing and

engaged participants who know who what

and why they are doing what they’re

doing and this takes time and knowledge

you don’t just simply wake up a sensei

of sex and throw tricks around the table

right you’ve got to study and this

knowledge of how to handle your hotbox

is going to come from within our own

ranks it is some of the most powerful

helpful conversations about a woman and

her sex come from other women it’s not

always Cosmo but that’s another story

for another day and in order to like

have this conversation you need to talk

to each other and change the ideas and

the narrative but in order to change the

narrative we actually need to think

about where we get these warped ideas

about our sexuality from so African

women are being silent about sex why

let’s take it back a bit so colonization

and religion have completely reshaped

ideas and ultimately the expression of

African sexuality um African women and

men have been and to a great extent

still are defined in terms of body

deviancy and bestiality one only needs

to look at pornography and the way that

the black body is portrayed right it’s

more often than not portrayed in a

violent and animalistic way because no

sensual sex for us no you know and

another example is a photography project

called jungle fever and this is done by

a photographer called jean-paul good and

the photographs over sexualized black

women and exaggerated black features so

much that it made them seem extreme

natural and very very ridiculous and a

painful example of how the female body

was dehumanized as the story of Starkey

Batman in 1810 20 year-old South African

sake was exhibited in a cage in

Piccadilly London she was forced to

irate for curious onlookers who paid a

couple of shillings for the fun and when

she died in 1815 audiences gathered to

see her bits her genitals were dissected

in public and zoologist georges cuvier

later presented circus genitals in a way

to allow for spectators to see the

nature of her labia and he wrote we did

not at all perceive the remarkable

particularity of her organization see

genitals she held her apron carefully

hidden between her thighs it was not

until after her death that we knew she

had it and by her apron they meant her

genitals so it wasn’t until 2002 that

you could see sad Keys pickled privates

in a museum in Paris until 2002 and

after which they were returned with the

rest of her remains to Cape Town it’s

painful isn’t it and then on top of that

we were told how to dress by religious

practice right where our bodies were was

so over sexualized to the point where if

we showed just a bit of skin we are

flaunting our bodies and we are showing

disregard for the body’s sacredness

which is only meant to be for the eyes

of our husbands where a naked woman or a

partially covered woman may be raped and

intimidated because she has seen a

seducing men there is an idea within

culture popular culture and amongst many

African societies that Africa is very

very conservative and male centered

which actually undermines African sexual

practices which has a deep deep history

of not like putting to the side female

pleasure we haven’t been a silent as we

think about sex we actually haven’t in

fact we have been so chatty about it

because across the country

they existed and continue to exist

sexuality training schools in her paper

oceanology the African erotic nakeeran

seungu actually mentions a couple of

these schools which um excuse me one

second I have a list here they’re very

hard to say so

she mentioned these schools which

include the Gullah and bass of Guinea

Sierra Leone and Liberia the lower bit

of Senegal the Depot of their dad way of

Ghana the Tonga of the of Zambia the

Makua of Mozambique and many many more

across the continent and all of these

schools were created to impart girls

with the knowledge on sexuality pleasure

and to create a female identity they

were taught things like sexual cues they

were taught sexual enhancers for example

these waste beads that were made of

glass and pearls and sometimes clay and

they functioned the sex toys I mean

these women were taught to ignite

passions through a look a walk dance

moves gestures pelvic movements

aphrodisiacs everything that you would

want to know about sex even the sounds

to make during the act and apart from

this some tribes had marital advises

that it that advised the goal or the

married couple in the art of sex for

example in Mali the advisor joins the

newlywed couple in the bedroom on the

wedding night I know sometimes we need

that little extra Harold

we cannot be out here but a similar

practice exists in Nigeria amongst the

east Akira tribe the bagna cauda of

Uganda the TTA among the shona in

Zimbabwe and the Kiowa of Zambia these

advisors not only ensured that the girls

first sexual experience was pleasurable

but also calmed all of the anxieties

that we have about sex you know and so

now this space of knowledge sharing was

not only reserved for the experts

sometimes simply gathering was a way of

growing what you knew for example in

Rwanda and other spaces within the

continent is the act of Lobby or

elongation

so this is what you would think but to

give a little bit of context it’s when a

woman or sorry a girl of puberty age

gently pulls her inner labia

out and away from her body this is done

using special herbs that the girls are

taught to look for in the room on these

bushes sometimes this may be a little

bit uncomfortable for people but it’s

done in groups one piece one piece that

we read talks about how girls would sit

in rows in boarding school and gently

pull each other’s l’viyah while catching

up on the latest gossip the piece yes

and see there’s a little there’s a few

shocked faces and thing but this

happened and what the piece then goes on

to speak about is how this gave the

girls a sense of belonging but also

taught them that it was not something to

be ashamed of it prepared their bodies

not only to give pleasure but to receive

it because the act of tapping the penis

on these lobby a would cause a woman to

ejaculate which is actually not to be

confused with urinating when you squirt

ladies you did not pee I mean looking at

these practices you can see that the

community is placed a really really good

great value on a woman’s positive sexual

experience in fact the existence of this

institution strongly suggests the

importance of sexuality in the

well-being of the person and the

community so now these cultural spaces

bring about and instill the idea of the

power of the devouring vagina how

beautiful is that phrase devouring

vagina audience participation now people

say it with me now devouring vaginas

thank you oh this is a phrase lifted

from the paper that we mentioned before

by in Karen’s egg ooh and it’s required

reading for all if you’ve got a piece of

paper write this down in this paper she

begins to unpack the idea of the power

of the vagina within the African erotic

ontology do you see these big words for

big ideas and how this is central both

as a social and individual good

so she speaks about the vagina not just

being a passive organ that awaits

penetration but we actually need to

think of it as engulfing or devouring

the penis because this gives the vagina

incredible

power and makes it a lot more active

right think of it like the act of eating

when you eat something you will set your

power and your will over it but this

does not in any way take away from the

power of what is being consumed so we

are not saying the penis is powerless no

we’re just recognizing the power of the

vagina during no guys before people get

uncomfortable and testy

so we’re speaking about a view of

sexuality that not only celebrates the

penis and male sexualities which is what

our media does most of the time right

and what we do most of the time but

we’re speaking about a view of sexuality

that there recognizes the power of the

vagina and ultimately the power and

importance of female sexuality so truth

be told women coming together to help

each other through deep times is nothing

new and there is no reason we can’t do

it in terms of sex in a modern

Chardonnay sipping session sort of way

and other than bursting into each

other’s bedrooms or wherever else it is

you like to have sex the way to do it is

to speak about it randomly and loudly

and luckily for us not do it do it in

cafes and bars in your rooms whatever it

is and luckily for us there are a number

of women on the African continent who

were doing it in a very funky squat

while you take a selfie kind of way for

example we’ve got dr. T who is a medical

doctor and is wisdom personified not

only offline but online as well because

she hosts workshops she has an

incredible Twitter account and she has a

vlog some other photos as well look

that’s from one of her vlogs and if you

like something a little

not-safe-for-work and a little bit of

the art of storytelling

there’s adventures from the bedrooms of

African women which has a story or two

in terms of podcasts we’ve got black

women be like that’s actually the woman

who runs it who have spoken about things

like masturbation dining below the belt

and also faking orgasms and in Kenya

there’s the spread podcast which is two

women who speak about a whole host of

very very sexy topics

and then holla Africa which is our

organization recently went on a safe sex

and pleasure journey when we hosted a

bunch of dialogues and we had a workshop

and we produced a manual and in these

conversations and gatherings we tackled

everything from kink to keeping your sex

toys clean to consent which is a big

issue right now and to a million and one

uses for clingfilm

there’s a lot to do out there there are

a lot of uses for clingfilm you’ll be

surprised but all of these examples that

we’ve just mentioned of a merely

repackaged spaces of all that African

women are using to discuss this match

and these need to be replicated they

need to be grown and they need to be

done in different ways so when women

come together in these spaces to speak

about their sex they just they draw

strength and because you realize that

there’s safety in numbers you realize

that there is knowledge in numbers when

women speak about these things they rip

apart the cloak of silence that brings

about fear and shame because you realize

we’re all in this together you’re not

the only one who thinks your nipples are

shaped funny or has masturbated you are

not the only one who has fantasized or

faked orgasms you’re not the only one

that what the assault that happened to

you the other night actually shouldn’t

have happened that you are not meant to

be ashamed you are not meant to be

afraid and you’re not meant to be in

pain because you know what you are actually not the only one

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