conservation is a bourgeois concept what
we do is we create a huge amount of
carbon and we expect poor people to look
after our carbon sink for us and they
can’t because they haven’t got anything
I went to live with more illegal loggers
I wanted to understand their lives more
his beta baito is very religious he
believes that the rainforest is the
living embodiment of Christ yet he’s
cutting it down so I you know I wanted
to know why a man with such reverence
for the for the forests which respect
for it would do that and his wife left
him he stopped two girls he’s putting
through college neither of them will
speak to him because he’s a logger and
that’s beneath them all his money goes
to send his girls to go through college
he’s now an alcoholic so he’s living
this tragic life and having to do that
like the worst thing he can but I
thought you know I thought illegal
logging was bad in Manu and Peru and and
then I went to Brazil this for the
Amazon looks like an Accra in western
Brazil you know not you one to send ish
90% of rainforest destruction in the
Amazon is for agriculture so I went
there and this really was the badlands
this is my buddy Dino he’s just about
the most environmentally destructive
human being I’ve ever met he really is
the worst nightmare he was a peasant and
he found his dad dead I’d hanged himself
when he was a boy he managed to get
himself a little bit of land in the
rainforest had a family managed to pull
it off got himself a farm that’s how he
survives this is his granddaughter Anna
Clara yeah every time we got a camera
Ana Clara was there
and she was so happy to have like
loading new people to hang yeah and
everyone did everything together it was
a real family affair but what they did
was this you know though vodka quince
goop make a hard Kabila’s Kahlua st.
John look at myself a flaw yeah I runs
desperate for me to light the fire
stumbles need good idea was in some
thoughtful huh there are you do yeah I
like
whoa that critical that’s already I can
feel heat coming off that thing that
fifty feet away
everyone’s getting the hell out
I know he’s not he’s going to start some
more
Lucia Lucia now
I think 100 today
gods are given us to make mine
we run back the next day I saw the rain
forest look like one of the reasons what
Dino does is so bad was because what
you’re doing is you’re cutting down a
rain forest which produces oxygen you’re
burning it releasing all the carbon then
you’re covering in grass and grazing it
with cows and globally cows produce more
greenhouse gases than all of the
transport combined that every plane car
ship you name it
globally so it couldn’t be any worse for
the environment what Dino does do I like
him any less for it now I have a huge
amount of respect for Dino I learnt hell
of a lot from him he taught me I had to
be a better dad had to be a better
family man but he taught me also that to
him the forest is a resource to me it’s
a you know romantic ideal to him it’s a
resource and when we think of people of
the forest we think of with this
romantic notion of people living in
harmony with the forest you know Dino
Erasmus baito
Ilyas they’re just as much people of the
forest and until we start understanding
that realizing and accepting it we’re
going to struggle to go forward the one
thing I think I came away knowing most
was that conservation is a bourgeois
concept you know I have the time and the
money to care and these guys don’t have
that and you know when you look at the
problems of the Amazon what you’re
looking at is really four main things
you’re looking at the extraction of gold
cocaine Brazilian beef and tropical
hardwood trees like mahogany and we are
the end users of those products and what
we do is we create a huge amount of
carbon much more than these guys we pump
into the atmosphere and we expect poor
people with nothing to look after our
carbon sink for us
and they can’t because I haven’t got
anything and when we shout and moaning
we call them bastards for chopping down
the room for us so what was I going to
do with Ilyas that was the big thing you
know at this man I’ve done my journey
what am I going to do well I gave him a
job that’s it all right
you’re the worst illegal logger in the
area replant I’m trepidatious I’m not
stupid this is a very high chance of
failure but I’m not going to let that
cloud my excitement about the whole idea
vilius working with me and yes it might
fail but I do trust him
as well as paying Ilyas Charlie’s going
to bring in experts who understand how
to restore damaged rainforest rainforest
a killer yep a tenemos otra Spencer case
a na one como tu serais hey – loco no es
muy bien al agua no hace más abajo a me
it doses in the Brazilian
they’re going to plant a mixture of
hardwoods and fast-growing soft woods as
well as bananas and other crops that can
grow alongside the trees and provide
elias with a second income
with any luck you’ll be self-sufficient
within five years
I think the thing about this is it’s so
simple and symbolic planting trees but
it’s who want with here today doing it
and you know doing this with Ilyas and
that’s that’s the key to this not
putting trees in the ground like trees
goats who I’m actually here you’re doing
it with corner nesting in here we do it
together got a lot more of these to go
in here we got a whole rain forest to
plant how to stop now right on
we’ll eat any beer
Charlie didn’t find a way to protect the
National Park
but in this corner of the Amazon he has
already made a difference
watching Heidi in ileus i felt quite
proud
I suppose it hits me in there sort of a
very happy way because it was very nice
moment to watch but it was it was
something really wretched about it as
well
because it’s it’s not solving a massive
problem it’s solving a very tiny problem
and it hasn’t even solved it yet but
I feel like at least I’m doing something
even if it’s just one tiny small thing
which this is you know all we can do is
hope isn’t it actually no that’s
oh we can this hope get off our asses
and do something two years later did it
work no you have too many other
pressures on his life I saw him in this
summer and he was all embarrassed and I
thought you don’t be embarrassed you
know I don’t live in your shoes I judge
you or you know have any blame at all
and it but it was very sad because he
was you know he kind of felt like he’d
let himself down and I I didn’t I don’t
know how hard he has his life is so I
couldn’t say but they had a new daughter
kneeling called jasmine and he might be
that you know the most awful illegal
Locker but he’s a nice guy not sending
my talk
you
we do is we create a huge amount of
carbon and we expect poor people to look
after our carbon sink for us and they
can’t because they haven’t got anything
I went to live with more illegal loggers
I wanted to understand their lives more
his beta baito is very religious he
believes that the rainforest is the
living embodiment of Christ yet he’s
cutting it down so I you know I wanted
to know why a man with such reverence
for the for the forests which respect
for it would do that and his wife left
him he stopped two girls he’s putting
through college neither of them will
speak to him because he’s a logger and
that’s beneath them all his money goes
to send his girls to go through college
he’s now an alcoholic so he’s living
this tragic life and having to do that
like the worst thing he can but I
thought you know I thought illegal
logging was bad in Manu and Peru and and
then I went to Brazil this for the
Amazon looks like an Accra in western
Brazil you know not you one to send ish
90% of rainforest destruction in the
Amazon is for agriculture so I went
there and this really was the badlands
this is my buddy Dino he’s just about
the most environmentally destructive
human being I’ve ever met he really is
the worst nightmare he was a peasant and
he found his dad dead I’d hanged himself
when he was a boy he managed to get
himself a little bit of land in the
rainforest had a family managed to pull
it off got himself a farm that’s how he
survives this is his granddaughter Anna
Clara yeah every time we got a camera
Ana Clara was there
and she was so happy to have like
loading new people to hang yeah and
everyone did everything together it was
a real family affair but what they did
was this you know though vodka quince
goop make a hard Kabila’s Kahlua st.
John look at myself a flaw yeah I runs
desperate for me to light the fire
stumbles need good idea was in some
thoughtful huh there are you do yeah I
like
whoa that critical that’s already I can
feel heat coming off that thing that
fifty feet away
everyone’s getting the hell out
I know he’s not he’s going to start some
more
Lucia Lucia now
I think 100 today
gods are given us to make mine
we run back the next day I saw the rain
forest look like one of the reasons what
Dino does is so bad was because what
you’re doing is you’re cutting down a
rain forest which produces oxygen you’re
burning it releasing all the carbon then
you’re covering in grass and grazing it
with cows and globally cows produce more
greenhouse gases than all of the
transport combined that every plane car
ship you name it
globally so it couldn’t be any worse for
the environment what Dino does do I like
him any less for it now I have a huge
amount of respect for Dino I learnt hell
of a lot from him he taught me I had to
be a better dad had to be a better
family man but he taught me also that to
him the forest is a resource to me it’s
a you know romantic ideal to him it’s a
resource and when we think of people of
the forest we think of with this
romantic notion of people living in
harmony with the forest you know Dino
Erasmus baito
Ilyas they’re just as much people of the
forest and until we start understanding
that realizing and accepting it we’re
going to struggle to go forward the one
thing I think I came away knowing most
was that conservation is a bourgeois
concept you know I have the time and the
money to care and these guys don’t have
that and you know when you look at the
problems of the Amazon what you’re
looking at is really four main things
you’re looking at the extraction of gold
cocaine Brazilian beef and tropical
hardwood trees like mahogany and we are
the end users of those products and what
we do is we create a huge amount of
carbon much more than these guys we pump
into the atmosphere and we expect poor
people with nothing to look after our
carbon sink for us
and they can’t because I haven’t got
anything and when we shout and moaning
we call them bastards for chopping down
the room for us so what was I going to
do with Ilyas that was the big thing you
know at this man I’ve done my journey
what am I going to do well I gave him a
job that’s it all right
you’re the worst illegal logger in the
area replant I’m trepidatious I’m not
stupid this is a very high chance of
failure but I’m not going to let that
cloud my excitement about the whole idea
vilius working with me and yes it might
fail but I do trust him
as well as paying Ilyas Charlie’s going
to bring in experts who understand how
to restore damaged rainforest rainforest
a killer yep a tenemos otra Spencer case
a na one como tu serais hey – loco no es
muy bien al agua no hace más abajo a me
it doses in the Brazilian
they’re going to plant a mixture of
hardwoods and fast-growing soft woods as
well as bananas and other crops that can
grow alongside the trees and provide
elias with a second income
with any luck you’ll be self-sufficient
within five years
I think the thing about this is it’s so
simple and symbolic planting trees but
it’s who want with here today doing it
and you know doing this with Ilyas and
that’s that’s the key to this not
putting trees in the ground like trees
goats who I’m actually here you’re doing
it with corner nesting in here we do it
together got a lot more of these to go
in here we got a whole rain forest to
plant how to stop now right on
we’ll eat any beer
Charlie didn’t find a way to protect the
National Park
but in this corner of the Amazon he has
already made a difference
watching Heidi in ileus i felt quite
proud
I suppose it hits me in there sort of a
very happy way because it was very nice
moment to watch but it was it was
something really wretched about it as
well
because it’s it’s not solving a massive
problem it’s solving a very tiny problem
and it hasn’t even solved it yet but
I feel like at least I’m doing something
even if it’s just one tiny small thing
which this is you know all we can do is
hope isn’t it actually no that’s
oh we can this hope get off our asses
and do something two years later did it
work no you have too many other
pressures on his life I saw him in this
summer and he was all embarrassed and I
thought you don’t be embarrassed you
know I don’t live in your shoes I judge
you or you know have any blame at all
and it but it was very sad because he
was you know he kind of felt like he’d
let himself down and I I didn’t I don’t
know how hard he has his life is so I
couldn’t say but they had a new daughter
kneeling called jasmine and he might be
that you know the most awful illegal
Locker but he’s a nice guy not sending
my talk
you
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