but I think one of the reasons why these
people have this deep-seated anger and
resentment is there’s a bunch of people
out there that have these lives that are
deeply unsatisfying because I think
somehow or another through momentum and
just through just things falling into
place the way they are and people trying
to fit their lives around the way these
pieces have fallen into place there are
so many people that are working all day
long doing something that is deeply
unsatisfying and an almost painful you
know yeah it’s soul killing soul killing
they’re stuck in traffic all day and
then they’re stuck in a cubicle after
that they relish the time to take a shit
in the bathroom and look at their phone
I mean they literally do though that’s a
highlight of someone’s day they get in
traffic on the way home they get home
after that they’re watching television
and they’re fucked they have deep debt
this is not like there’s this soul
killing thing is not giving in the
minifig that’s huge and you know what
you just sit there and going and you
look at what people making you sit there
and go you can make quite a lot of money
by average joe’s standards and still not
be in good shape so I know people turn
around make good living really good
living and turn around go I’m just
holding my head above water yeah and so
you go okay if you’re holding your head
just barely what’s a person making a
third or a quarter of what you’re making
doing I mean this is really when you
talk about revolutions happening and and
and things going down in weird
unpredictable negative ways you and
we’ve talked about this before you let
enough of your society fall into the
loser class for lack of a better word
winners and losers in society if you
every society can suck up a certain
amount of people not able to make it but
if that number gets large enough
revolutions happen I think so too but I
think the revolution doesn’t necessarily
have to be violent
I think the revolution can be a
revolution of action and ideas and I
think there’s a ton of people out there
that are probably listening to this that
would like to be able to do something
else
make furniture so they don’t want a
revolution they want to do something
that’s not sold if you know if you make
furniture you make furniture for a
living and you you feel a great
satisfaction out of that you sell that
furniture
look man for making furniture feels good
if you can do that you could you could
cut those corners perfectly and sand
everything down nice and stain it and
then it’s done and you get this
satisfied and you sell it to someone and
that pays your bills that is infinitely
more satisfying than being stuck in some
fucking cubicle working for someone that
you don’t want to work for having to
have these stupid fucking office
meetings talking to people in human
resources sitting down with your
supervisor where they evaluate your job
performance and you know you’re not
really you know you really need to be
enthusiastic about this company this
company is your future this kind of
learning you’re like fuck kill me now
you know there’s a lot of people out
there that would way rather do something
else and I hope they understand that
they can and that’s talking about that
because we were in yeah I mean that’s
because we’ve been talking about us and
podcasting a new medium river but but
really and I tell I give I really like
to give you advice cuz you know you
don’t want you don’t to be responsible
for people acting on it and having it
not turn out well but what I tell people
is two things right now the United
States of America the way it’s built is
built to help industry and and
corporations and companies but that
doesn’t necessarily mean it has to be
Microsoft it can be you write your own
bed and the let’s talk about the
furniture builder once upon a time there
are huge things in your way including
needing to get loans and all these other
things to just start a business so
you’re behind the eight ball right away
and the pressure is on because if it
doesn’t work you’re in debt whereas I
mean we started these podcast there’s no
brick or mortar I mean now you’ve got
just the Rogan tower it’s a little bit
different but once upon a time it’s like
in the back of your bedroom and you’ve
got a company and it’s got a show and
people are listening if you make your
furniture and you don’t have to have a
brick-and-mortar store but you can put a
website up make it with Squarespace or
one of those other things and all of a
sudden you have a business out of your
house the freedom the satisfaction the
ability to set your own hours and here’s
the best part
the fact that if you start making a lot
of money somehow you’re not going to
have your boss cut your commissions when
I new sales guys who made so much money
that their bosses cut their Commission’s
because you can’t make more than your
bosses well listen when you have your
own small business the sky’s the limit
if you make 10 million dollars
you make ten million dollars yeah so I
always tell people that if you can and
it’s not always something they can do
maybe you do it on the side when you’ve
got your regular job starting a small
business now
in this climate that we have right now
is not only possible it’s not that much
of a gamble because if worse comes to
worse you didn’t invest a hundred
thousand dollars you didn’t have
starting it all the time right
yeah I mean that website didn’t cost you
that much you know the the investment
for the tools you may have had already
podcasting is a perfect example we make
business like my buddy says we sell
zeros and ones yeah that’s what we do
well it’s been never been easier to have
a website either no sir with companies
like Squarespace you could develop a
website you could literally build
amazing website and sell your furniture
and you have a free online store with it
and you put to eat they have these
drag-and-drop user interfaces you use
photos you drag them onto their size and
in place boom next thing you know you’ve
got a website so your furniture so
whatever the fuck you make whether you
make clothes or you’re designing
backpacks or there’s there’s a lot of
people out there that have interests and
they’ve never pursued those interests
because they’re fucking tired from doing
some tired boring soul suck it’s hard to
go to work and put your effort into that
and then come home and then work for
yourself it’s very hard but I’ll tell
you what there’s there’s a part like you
said there’s a part of it that once you
start making stuff for yourself
that’s self motivating right it like I
told somebody to start a podcast I said
the first time you get some feedback
email that will kick you in the rear-end
to keep doing the pie if it becomes it
becomes um you know life is a verb I
always say and you have to actually act
but by acting you change everything in
your future another guy said to me it’s
a great line he said with podcast it’s
not always how many people are listening
sometimes it’s who they are right so my
grandmother’s philosophy was always that
you should keep walking and talking
but in her era walking and talking about
going and shaking people’s hands and now
you can network like through the
internet and you never really shaking
people’s hands but you may have a
podcast with only a hundred listeners
but if one of those listeners is some
guy somewhere else who says oh my god
this guy’s furniture is great or
whatever I’m gonna I’m gonna maybe you
can come and start giving a Pottery Barn
you know what okay I mean things open up
in ways that you can’t predict because
you started doing something and because
you have legitimate passion for what you
yeah and that resonates does he feel
like spirits that yeah if they see fine
I mean I can’t tell you how many artists
that I’ve discovered online just through
Instagram or through Twitter like saying
it
creative revolution yes you know in an
amazing way and I hope and I think
there’s way more creative people out
there than we realized oh yes absolutely
and I think they would love to have some
sort of an opportunity to do something
like that especially like an artist
someone who is an artist man there’s
never been a better time to be an artist
because you could showcase your work and
look if you send me something cool and
you know he send it to me on Twitter
I’ll totally do we treat things all the
time and all that takes is someone else
has to see that oh wow that’s amazing
and then to do it just propagates to all
these different peoples Instagram feeds
and all these people Twitter feeds and
next thing you know you’ve got a
business and you’re up and running and
it’s not gonna be easy and it’s not
gonna be quick but the job you’re doing
now eight easier tricky the soul-killing
1/8 easier quickie that people think
like oh how long is that gonna take all
but you know when you start out doing a
podcast when we got turned down loads
well that’s how it works we all were
there once I was there once dude when we
first did it when we when Brian and I
were first doing this podcast and we
were doing it on like Ustream we would
have 200 viewers and I wasn’t doing it
for money I wasn’t I was literally doing
it because my my wife had gotten
pregnant we had to move from Colorado
back to LA and I was bummed out I was
like fuck I thought I escaped I thought
I got out of LA I was living in the
mountains I was like this is what I want
I want to be in nature I was like I
don’t want to be back in this fucking
hellhole like alright let’s do something
and so we started doing podcast just for
a goof because I was doing stand-up that
was all well and good how it tied into
your standup some yeah well but it’s
dark my point is it didn’t start out I
didn’t start out thinking this is gonna
replace my income this is going to be I
just did it as a passion project and I
think if people have a regular day job
if you could just find some one thing
that you do as a passion project and
just keep building on it just keep at
keep watering it keep adding fertilizer
keep giving it attention keep giving it
focus and you can escape you can escape
and you can be self-serving you could be
okay you’re gonna be okay
I always ask people when they want to
start it I have like a podcast I’ll say
something like how many listeners would
you have to have for you to care right
what what’s and that’s a magic number
that’s different for everybody right
but but what what’s great about what we
do that’s different from broadcasting is
that there is a giant pie of people
let’s pretend it’s a billion and if
you’re gonna do a podcast on science
fiction comic books from the 1950s or
something that has such a narrow
audience they never put it on television
because it’s it’s too narrow you will be
able if you even get point oh oh oh oh
one percent of that billion pie it’s not
only going to be a decent number of
people in terms of what you would think
is successful but they’re going to be so
enthusiastic because this is an outlet
that they don’t have it’s like I always
tell somebody if you’re into Harry
Potter one of the TV networks given you
but there’s multiple Harry Potter
podcasts listen to this you might hear
something crazy my magazine just had
some top 50 podcast thing and a buddy of
mine who is angry that he wasn’t on sent
me some stuff about it and one of the
things he said dude there’s a fucking
podcast on there called the Gilmore boys
that’s guys two guys sitting around
talking about the Gilmore Girls
television show there’s another one
called something about Richard Simmons
where there’s finding Richard Simmons
where they’re trying to figure out why
Richard Simmons went into hiding what’s
so great about that idea though and
again and you at home can learn this too
what’s so great about that idea is that
they instantly tied their podcast to
somebody who already had tons of fans
yes right so you sit there and go I
don’t know who these guys are or what
this but I’m a huge Richard Simmons fan
so I’ll listen and that’s like instant
audience is this another podcast called
guys we fucked
these girls cramp came up with this
podcast and this is one that I always
use in this example because these who
are the girls from guys we fucked you
see it find their names these comedians
from New York they came and they’re
actually gonna be on the podcast Monday
oh that was a clever tie-in I didn’t
mean to but I use them as an example
because because we just did book this
earlier today Cristina Hutchinson and
current makrand Fisher and they came up
with this clever idea for the title and
it became huge I mean it’s always top
ten it’s like one of the top ten comedy
podcasts and people say oh we’ll create
it no it’s not stupid you just just to
do something that’s good stop saying
it’s saturated if you’re good it’ll
stand out this idea that
to the future everybody’s got these
stupid barriers they put in their own
head
you got to resist those goddamn things
because they don’t do you any good and
they certainly define the potential for
your future in a negative way it’s not
self-serving and it’s not even real you
know you put this artificial ceiling on
the potential for what you’re doing if
you hit a wall okay that just means you
need to regroup and rethink it doesn’t
mean that walls there especially when it
comes to something like social media or
like a podcast something where you just
you’re putting out a piece of art you’re
putting out something that you’ve
created there’s a wall as far as like
how many people gonna enjoy it or how
far it’s gonna go it’s just it is what
it is and if people don’t like it make
it better if they like it less fix that
figure out a way to do it you can do
that and this this idea that there’s no
way to get past the starting block today
is just ludicrous it’s crazy and it’s
just this this poor thinking and people
that are trapped in bad situations one
of the problems is you feel like this is
your future you feel like you’re fucked
and you can’t get out of that there’s no
hope there’s no light at the end of the
tunnel there’s no rainbow and if you
feel like that that alone can be
incredibly defining and limiting but if
you can look at if you look at yourself
objectively and say okay I kind of am
fucked here I’m in credit card debt I’m
working in a shitty job I I don’t like
what I’m doing but I have some ideas I
need to feed those fucking ideas and I
need to feed them and water them and I
need to set aside a certain amount of
time every day to just try to make those
things happen you can do that I have a V
I like visual images you know we use
that in the hardcore history a lot these
and what’s it like to fight an elephant
with a spear things like that I like
this but the image to die that’s what
it’s like the image I have though for
what you’re talking about I’ve always
thought it’s a little like um a running
back in football who takes the ball and
who goes forward and there’s no hole
right all you run into is the back of
your offensive lineman but if you keep
hitting if a hole is going to open up
boom you’ll squirt through now there’s
no guarantee in life the hole will be
there but there is a guarantee that if
you’re not continually smacking at it
then when it opens up you won’t be ready
yes right right and so I don’t know
about you Joe you’ve had a charmed life
I think
how well you’ve done but I mean some of
us have failed many times I failed a
bunch of shit I guess what I’m saying is
I remember being a TV reporter in a
small station and I would get out of
work at like midnight and the story that
I just spent all day on air and it was
awful and I would get out and I would
literally this is when I still had quite
a bit of hair I would sit there and like
you like pull your hair out you go what
am i doing right this is horrible and I
look back on those now and I think you
know what if you had just given up then
right or the podcast I mean do you know
how my wife did a great thing for me
we’d had that company that I just told
you about we were trying to do the new
media thing and it just fell apart like
everybody’s companies were starting to
do and I wasted a lot of time and a lot
of money in my life doing that and she
would have been totally justified and
saying that’s it you know you’re going
to Indianapolis gonna talk radio show
job wherever they’re hired but she
didn’t she said you know what you try to
try this next thing you could do it and
here we are and I think you know if you
hadn’t tried it’s that weird thing and
folks I tried being a TV reporter try be
you try all those things and either
they’re not successful or they’re
moderately successful or they’re
successful but not enough for you you
got life as a verb you have to you know
the thing the people that makes people
the most sad in life and I already have
a couple of friends my own age who are
there is the regrets right they don’t
they don’t they’re not sorry they failed
they’re sorry they didn’t try and the
funny thing is there some of them are
only 50 and they think okay my window to
try is already gone and which is wrong
too but folks you will be so happy
there’s so many things that have
happened in my life because I mean I got
my first talk radio show job I was
robbed as a reporter I covered this
story there was some big guy showing up
at the local radio station and as I was
leaving I wrote a letter to the program
director to say thanks for having us to
do I may of this do I not mail it do I
mainly do it and just you know I closed
my eyes and I mailed he called me two
days later so you want a job what if he
didn’t send that letter it’s stupid the
little things that your life can hinge
on but if you don’t do them you don’t
give fate an opportunity to intervene I
think here’s an important thing too
failure is important it is important I
think failure teaches you things you
don’t learn from success I think failure
gives you an opportunity for
self-examination it also gives you a
feeling that is
very uncomfortable and that very
uncomfortable feeling helps you grow
that when you feel like shit you screw
something up like when I’ve had bad
podcast my podcast has always gotten
better afterwards when I’ve that bad
stand-up sets
I’ve always gotten better after that
because those bad sets motivate you they
get they give you a perspective like hey
here’s some clear examples of where you
fucked up yeah what not to do yeah don’t
and don’t look at these failures as like
proof that you suck look at them as
opportunities for growth look at them as
opportunities to be motivated to do
better and Winston Churchill had to
learn about reading quotes about how
inspirational reading famous quotes were
and he says they motivate you from a
number of different ways including the
idea that you know you think it’s just
you or you think that these people who
did so well we’re so incredibly gifted
or privileged from the get-go and when
you realize no no they’re more like me
than I think that becomes inspirational
right you telling your audience this is
inspirational you don’t want to hear go
back to school go do this work but if
you hate your job that is like nature
telling you to try something different
and it’s motivating because the
motivation is you might not have to do
that soul killing job anymore well if
you look at someone is doing really well
like say if you focus on like Kevin Hart
or someone like that some very famous
and successful comedian all you see is
him now flying around private jets
wearing a new pair of sneakers every day
driving around in Bentley’s you just see
that you don’t see him being a young kid
in Philadelphia going to open mic nights
scratching and clawing MC Hammer selling
the the tapes out of the hatchback all
that stuff man there’s a path and you
think of people like you see an old
person walking down the street you go
all that person’s always been an old
person no that was a baby that was a
baby that became a 90 year old man
there’s a there’s a progression that
you’re not witness to you don’t see it
and that that takes place in everything
it takes place in author as it takes
place in comedians and musicians there
is a starting point and then with time
and focus and as long as you re-evaluate
and reassess and constantly objectively
look at what you’re doing and then
pursue it with passion and focus you get
better things and you know what doing
all those things ends up you know it’s
funny but your life experiences create
who you are
and all those things actually make you a
more for me I know I’m speaking speaking
to the choir here but but all those
things make you a more formidable person
so that eventually that next endeavor is
is you’re more prepared for and you’re
more formidable and and so you know you
turn around you say what was I like as a
23 year old intern compared to what I’m
like now and I’m basically a different person
people have this deep-seated anger and
resentment is there’s a bunch of people
out there that have these lives that are
deeply unsatisfying because I think
somehow or another through momentum and
just through just things falling into
place the way they are and people trying
to fit their lives around the way these
pieces have fallen into place there are
so many people that are working all day
long doing something that is deeply
unsatisfying and an almost painful you
know yeah it’s soul killing soul killing
they’re stuck in traffic all day and
then they’re stuck in a cubicle after
that they relish the time to take a shit
in the bathroom and look at their phone
I mean they literally do though that’s a
highlight of someone’s day they get in
traffic on the way home they get home
after that they’re watching television
and they’re fucked they have deep debt
this is not like there’s this soul
killing thing is not giving in the
minifig that’s huge and you know what
you just sit there and going and you
look at what people making you sit there
and go you can make quite a lot of money
by average joe’s standards and still not
be in good shape so I know people turn
around make good living really good
living and turn around go I’m just
holding my head above water yeah and so
you go okay if you’re holding your head
just barely what’s a person making a
third or a quarter of what you’re making
doing I mean this is really when you
talk about revolutions happening and and
and things going down in weird
unpredictable negative ways you and
we’ve talked about this before you let
enough of your society fall into the
loser class for lack of a better word
winners and losers in society if you
every society can suck up a certain
amount of people not able to make it but
if that number gets large enough
revolutions happen I think so too but I
think the revolution doesn’t necessarily
have to be violent
I think the revolution can be a
revolution of action and ideas and I
think there’s a ton of people out there
that are probably listening to this that
would like to be able to do something
else
make furniture so they don’t want a
revolution they want to do something
that’s not sold if you know if you make
furniture you make furniture for a
living and you you feel a great
satisfaction out of that you sell that
furniture
look man for making furniture feels good
if you can do that you could you could
cut those corners perfectly and sand
everything down nice and stain it and
then it’s done and you get this
satisfied and you sell it to someone and
that pays your bills that is infinitely
more satisfying than being stuck in some
fucking cubicle working for someone that
you don’t want to work for having to
have these stupid fucking office
meetings talking to people in human
resources sitting down with your
supervisor where they evaluate your job
performance and you know you’re not
really you know you really need to be
enthusiastic about this company this
company is your future this kind of
learning you’re like fuck kill me now
you know there’s a lot of people out
there that would way rather do something
else and I hope they understand that
they can and that’s talking about that
because we were in yeah I mean that’s
because we’ve been talking about us and
podcasting a new medium river but but
really and I tell I give I really like
to give you advice cuz you know you
don’t want you don’t to be responsible
for people acting on it and having it
not turn out well but what I tell people
is two things right now the United
States of America the way it’s built is
built to help industry and and
corporations and companies but that
doesn’t necessarily mean it has to be
Microsoft it can be you write your own
bed and the let’s talk about the
furniture builder once upon a time there
are huge things in your way including
needing to get loans and all these other
things to just start a business so
you’re behind the eight ball right away
and the pressure is on because if it
doesn’t work you’re in debt whereas I
mean we started these podcast there’s no
brick or mortar I mean now you’ve got
just the Rogan tower it’s a little bit
different but once upon a time it’s like
in the back of your bedroom and you’ve
got a company and it’s got a show and
people are listening if you make your
furniture and you don’t have to have a
brick-and-mortar store but you can put a
website up make it with Squarespace or
one of those other things and all of a
sudden you have a business out of your
house the freedom the satisfaction the
ability to set your own hours and here’s
the best part
the fact that if you start making a lot
of money somehow you’re not going to
have your boss cut your commissions when
I new sales guys who made so much money
that their bosses cut their Commission’s
because you can’t make more than your
bosses well listen when you have your
own small business the sky’s the limit
if you make 10 million dollars
you make ten million dollars yeah so I
always tell people that if you can and
it’s not always something they can do
maybe you do it on the side when you’ve
got your regular job starting a small
business now
in this climate that we have right now
is not only possible it’s not that much
of a gamble because if worse comes to
worse you didn’t invest a hundred
thousand dollars you didn’t have
starting it all the time right
yeah I mean that website didn’t cost you
that much you know the the investment
for the tools you may have had already
podcasting is a perfect example we make
business like my buddy says we sell
zeros and ones yeah that’s what we do
well it’s been never been easier to have
a website either no sir with companies
like Squarespace you could develop a
website you could literally build
amazing website and sell your furniture
and you have a free online store with it
and you put to eat they have these
drag-and-drop user interfaces you use
photos you drag them onto their size and
in place boom next thing you know you’ve
got a website so your furniture so
whatever the fuck you make whether you
make clothes or you’re designing
backpacks or there’s there’s a lot of
people out there that have interests and
they’ve never pursued those interests
because they’re fucking tired from doing
some tired boring soul suck it’s hard to
go to work and put your effort into that
and then come home and then work for
yourself it’s very hard but I’ll tell
you what there’s there’s a part like you
said there’s a part of it that once you
start making stuff for yourself
that’s self motivating right it like I
told somebody to start a podcast I said
the first time you get some feedback
email that will kick you in the rear-end
to keep doing the pie if it becomes it
becomes um you know life is a verb I
always say and you have to actually act
but by acting you change everything in
your future another guy said to me it’s
a great line he said with podcast it’s
not always how many people are listening
sometimes it’s who they are right so my
grandmother’s philosophy was always that
you should keep walking and talking
but in her era walking and talking about
going and shaking people’s hands and now
you can network like through the
internet and you never really shaking
people’s hands but you may have a
podcast with only a hundred listeners
but if one of those listeners is some
guy somewhere else who says oh my god
this guy’s furniture is great or
whatever I’m gonna I’m gonna maybe you
can come and start giving a Pottery Barn
you know what okay I mean things open up
in ways that you can’t predict because
you started doing something and because
you have legitimate passion for what you
yeah and that resonates does he feel
like spirits that yeah if they see fine
I mean I can’t tell you how many artists
that I’ve discovered online just through
Instagram or through Twitter like saying
it
creative revolution yes you know in an
amazing way and I hope and I think
there’s way more creative people out
there than we realized oh yes absolutely
and I think they would love to have some
sort of an opportunity to do something
like that especially like an artist
someone who is an artist man there’s
never been a better time to be an artist
because you could showcase your work and
look if you send me something cool and
you know he send it to me on Twitter
I’ll totally do we treat things all the
time and all that takes is someone else
has to see that oh wow that’s amazing
and then to do it just propagates to all
these different peoples Instagram feeds
and all these people Twitter feeds and
next thing you know you’ve got a
business and you’re up and running and
it’s not gonna be easy and it’s not
gonna be quick but the job you’re doing
now eight easier tricky the soul-killing
1/8 easier quickie that people think
like oh how long is that gonna take all
but you know when you start out doing a
podcast when we got turned down loads
well that’s how it works we all were
there once I was there once dude when we
first did it when we when Brian and I
were first doing this podcast and we
were doing it on like Ustream we would
have 200 viewers and I wasn’t doing it
for money I wasn’t I was literally doing
it because my my wife had gotten
pregnant we had to move from Colorado
back to LA and I was bummed out I was
like fuck I thought I escaped I thought
I got out of LA I was living in the
mountains I was like this is what I want
I want to be in nature I was like I
don’t want to be back in this fucking
hellhole like alright let’s do something
and so we started doing podcast just for
a goof because I was doing stand-up that
was all well and good how it tied into
your standup some yeah well but it’s
dark my point is it didn’t start out I
didn’t start out thinking this is gonna
replace my income this is going to be I
just did it as a passion project and I
think if people have a regular day job
if you could just find some one thing
that you do as a passion project and
just keep building on it just keep at
keep watering it keep adding fertilizer
keep giving it attention keep giving it
focus and you can escape you can escape
and you can be self-serving you could be
okay you’re gonna be okay
I always ask people when they want to
start it I have like a podcast I’ll say
something like how many listeners would
you have to have for you to care right
what what’s and that’s a magic number
that’s different for everybody right
but but what what’s great about what we
do that’s different from broadcasting is
that there is a giant pie of people
let’s pretend it’s a billion and if
you’re gonna do a podcast on science
fiction comic books from the 1950s or
something that has such a narrow
audience they never put it on television
because it’s it’s too narrow you will be
able if you even get point oh oh oh oh
one percent of that billion pie it’s not
only going to be a decent number of
people in terms of what you would think
is successful but they’re going to be so
enthusiastic because this is an outlet
that they don’t have it’s like I always
tell somebody if you’re into Harry
Potter one of the TV networks given you
but there’s multiple Harry Potter
podcasts listen to this you might hear
something crazy my magazine just had
some top 50 podcast thing and a buddy of
mine who is angry that he wasn’t on sent
me some stuff about it and one of the
things he said dude there’s a fucking
podcast on there called the Gilmore boys
that’s guys two guys sitting around
talking about the Gilmore Girls
television show there’s another one
called something about Richard Simmons
where there’s finding Richard Simmons
where they’re trying to figure out why
Richard Simmons went into hiding what’s
so great about that idea though and
again and you at home can learn this too
what’s so great about that idea is that
they instantly tied their podcast to
somebody who already had tons of fans
yes right so you sit there and go I
don’t know who these guys are or what
this but I’m a huge Richard Simmons fan
so I’ll listen and that’s like instant
audience is this another podcast called
guys we fucked
these girls cramp came up with this
podcast and this is one that I always
use in this example because these who
are the girls from guys we fucked you
see it find their names these comedians
from New York they came and they’re
actually gonna be on the podcast Monday
oh that was a clever tie-in I didn’t
mean to but I use them as an example
because because we just did book this
earlier today Cristina Hutchinson and
current makrand Fisher and they came up
with this clever idea for the title and
it became huge I mean it’s always top
ten it’s like one of the top ten comedy
podcasts and people say oh we’ll create
it no it’s not stupid you just just to
do something that’s good stop saying
it’s saturated if you’re good it’ll
stand out this idea that
to the future everybody’s got these
stupid barriers they put in their own
head
you got to resist those goddamn things
because they don’t do you any good and
they certainly define the potential for
your future in a negative way it’s not
self-serving and it’s not even real you
know you put this artificial ceiling on
the potential for what you’re doing if
you hit a wall okay that just means you
need to regroup and rethink it doesn’t
mean that walls there especially when it
comes to something like social media or
like a podcast something where you just
you’re putting out a piece of art you’re
putting out something that you’ve
created there’s a wall as far as like
how many people gonna enjoy it or how
far it’s gonna go it’s just it is what
it is and if people don’t like it make
it better if they like it less fix that
figure out a way to do it you can do
that and this this idea that there’s no
way to get past the starting block today
is just ludicrous it’s crazy and it’s
just this this poor thinking and people
that are trapped in bad situations one
of the problems is you feel like this is
your future you feel like you’re fucked
and you can’t get out of that there’s no
hope there’s no light at the end of the
tunnel there’s no rainbow and if you
feel like that that alone can be
incredibly defining and limiting but if
you can look at if you look at yourself
objectively and say okay I kind of am
fucked here I’m in credit card debt I’m
working in a shitty job I I don’t like
what I’m doing but I have some ideas I
need to feed those fucking ideas and I
need to feed them and water them and I
need to set aside a certain amount of
time every day to just try to make those
things happen you can do that I have a V
I like visual images you know we use
that in the hardcore history a lot these
and what’s it like to fight an elephant
with a spear things like that I like
this but the image to die that’s what
it’s like the image I have though for
what you’re talking about I’ve always
thought it’s a little like um a running
back in football who takes the ball and
who goes forward and there’s no hole
right all you run into is the back of
your offensive lineman but if you keep
hitting if a hole is going to open up
boom you’ll squirt through now there’s
no guarantee in life the hole will be
there but there is a guarantee that if
you’re not continually smacking at it
then when it opens up you won’t be ready
yes right right and so I don’t know
about you Joe you’ve had a charmed life
I think
how well you’ve done but I mean some of
us have failed many times I failed a
bunch of shit I guess what I’m saying is
I remember being a TV reporter in a
small station and I would get out of
work at like midnight and the story that
I just spent all day on air and it was
awful and I would get out and I would
literally this is when I still had quite
a bit of hair I would sit there and like
you like pull your hair out you go what
am i doing right this is horrible and I
look back on those now and I think you
know what if you had just given up then
right or the podcast I mean do you know
how my wife did a great thing for me
we’d had that company that I just told
you about we were trying to do the new
media thing and it just fell apart like
everybody’s companies were starting to
do and I wasted a lot of time and a lot
of money in my life doing that and she
would have been totally justified and
saying that’s it you know you’re going
to Indianapolis gonna talk radio show
job wherever they’re hired but she
didn’t she said you know what you try to
try this next thing you could do it and
here we are and I think you know if you
hadn’t tried it’s that weird thing and
folks I tried being a TV reporter try be
you try all those things and either
they’re not successful or they’re
moderately successful or they’re
successful but not enough for you you
got life as a verb you have to you know
the thing the people that makes people
the most sad in life and I already have
a couple of friends my own age who are
there is the regrets right they don’t
they don’t they’re not sorry they failed
they’re sorry they didn’t try and the
funny thing is there some of them are
only 50 and they think okay my window to
try is already gone and which is wrong
too but folks you will be so happy
there’s so many things that have
happened in my life because I mean I got
my first talk radio show job I was
robbed as a reporter I covered this
story there was some big guy showing up
at the local radio station and as I was
leaving I wrote a letter to the program
director to say thanks for having us to
do I may of this do I not mail it do I
mainly do it and just you know I closed
my eyes and I mailed he called me two
days later so you want a job what if he
didn’t send that letter it’s stupid the
little things that your life can hinge
on but if you don’t do them you don’t
give fate an opportunity to intervene I
think here’s an important thing too
failure is important it is important I
think failure teaches you things you
don’t learn from success I think failure
gives you an opportunity for
self-examination it also gives you a
feeling that is
very uncomfortable and that very
uncomfortable feeling helps you grow
that when you feel like shit you screw
something up like when I’ve had bad
podcast my podcast has always gotten
better afterwards when I’ve that bad
stand-up sets
I’ve always gotten better after that
because those bad sets motivate you they
get they give you a perspective like hey
here’s some clear examples of where you
fucked up yeah what not to do yeah don’t
and don’t look at these failures as like
proof that you suck look at them as
opportunities for growth look at them as
opportunities to be motivated to do
better and Winston Churchill had to
learn about reading quotes about how
inspirational reading famous quotes were
and he says they motivate you from a
number of different ways including the
idea that you know you think it’s just
you or you think that these people who
did so well we’re so incredibly gifted
or privileged from the get-go and when
you realize no no they’re more like me
than I think that becomes inspirational
right you telling your audience this is
inspirational you don’t want to hear go
back to school go do this work but if
you hate your job that is like nature
telling you to try something different
and it’s motivating because the
motivation is you might not have to do
that soul killing job anymore well if
you look at someone is doing really well
like say if you focus on like Kevin Hart
or someone like that some very famous
and successful comedian all you see is
him now flying around private jets
wearing a new pair of sneakers every day
driving around in Bentley’s you just see
that you don’t see him being a young kid
in Philadelphia going to open mic nights
scratching and clawing MC Hammer selling
the the tapes out of the hatchback all
that stuff man there’s a path and you
think of people like you see an old
person walking down the street you go
all that person’s always been an old
person no that was a baby that was a
baby that became a 90 year old man
there’s a there’s a progression that
you’re not witness to you don’t see it
and that that takes place in everything
it takes place in author as it takes
place in comedians and musicians there
is a starting point and then with time
and focus and as long as you re-evaluate
and reassess and constantly objectively
look at what you’re doing and then
pursue it with passion and focus you get
better things and you know what doing
all those things ends up you know it’s
funny but your life experiences create
who you are
and all those things actually make you a
more for me I know I’m speaking speaking
to the choir here but but all those
things make you a more formidable person
so that eventually that next endeavor is
is you’re more prepared for and you’re
more formidable and and so you know you
turn around you say what was I like as a
23 year old intern compared to what I’m
like now and I’m basically a different person
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