yes infinite waters diving deep once
again we have a very special guest I
call her the Oracle it’s very very
welcome thank you so much for anyone
that doesn’t know she is the author of
the holographic canvas the fusing of
mind and matter insights a cutting edge
much of his supported by quantum physics
Sonja’s work bridges the gap between
science and spirituality and she has
just produced her first documentary
titled
the business of disease congratulations
thank you so much thank you thank you
thank you yes
here we are it’s always a pleasure to
chat with you
it’s always fun chatting with you cuz
we’re going down the same interesting
path yes we go back and I always love
how you dive into hidden areas which so
many of us take for granted I love your
whole theme of the cosmic game that’s
really what helped me to awaken back in
2009 oh well yeah that’s awesome I mean
you’ve just sort of like just taken off
just wings and just flying and and I
love watching you do that but yeah the
game aspect it did the same thing for me
what I realized one day wait a second
this is like one giant game you know the
game in a game it in a game do you
remember that what is that called you
know where you you you take it apart and
there’s a you know figure inside a
figure inside a figure I forgot there’s
a name for it but but yeah it’s a game
in a game in a game in a game you know
and and I think the more we realize that
I for me anyway it started to simplify
things I you don’t take it as seriously
you know you do at times but your base
reasoning
and he’s awareness is that realization
well before we talk about the
documentary just simplify the
holographic canvas because that is
fascinating in itself that book is
groundbreaking who simplify it um you
know I wrote it a little while ago and
it’s interesting you know cuz you do
things and you move to this other stage
of whatever the next thing is the book
was definitely a launching pad and for
not just for me but so many people I
think the book actually reflects a lot
of what I was discovering and what I had
discovered over my 10 10 years of trying
to understand what life is and what it’s
all about
so I touched on of course the
holographic nature of reality even
concepts about time travel you know the
fact that we are time traveling all the
time and you know just sort of looked at
areas that we typically don’t examine
which of course is the game aspect of
reality the cosmic cosmic game itself
and just exploring the possibilities
letting people realize that there were
endless possibilities and that there was
really no final point as we’ve sort of
been programmed to believe but it was
just this open on ending sea of
potentials and possibilities and that it
was all up to the individual to step
outside the box and take the blinders
off and just say you know what I’m ready
to understand and to see more of Who I
am and all that I can continue to become
or expand into so quantum physics – is
it you know there’s there’s those
elements definitely a lot of quantum
physics references because I think that
physics definitely is a great platform
for us to understand more about this
what I love about your work is that it’s
always coming from a place of
empowerment
that you have the power to stop cracking
the codes stop seeing the glitching in
the matrix and start realizing that no
one’s to blame that’s the big yep that’s
the powerful part right there that to me
is an extremely powerful piece but
believe it or not you know for some
people it’s it’s scary because it leaves
you without someone to blame or a crutch
per se and I think people are so afraid
of change because of the unknown that
that that kind of freaks you know some
people out the fact that there’s nobody
to blame well then it all comes back to
you and then there is no blame so that’s
the other part people end up having to
learn is even for yourself it’s it’s not
a blame game
it’s a every situation every experience
is an opportunity this is why we’re here
so so I say there is no good and bad
experience it’s just being able to
recognize the gift in every single thing
that you have experience regardless of
how challenging it appeared to be there
is a reason why we encountered that
experience or we made those choices and
I think when we understand that blame is
not necessary it’s that the whole
concept is just part of the game I think
then we can be free to extract the gifts
that we received from those things that
we have experienced in our lives and
that was that was certainly it for me
and you know you know I had gone through
some horrific what would be considered
horrific experiences which brought me
here
if I hadn’t have gone through those
experiences and I’m not saying everybody
has to go through those but for me it
well I mean it motivated me it put fire
under me it made me question and be
curious and just dive in and go I need
to know why are we here you know what is
this and you know Here I am
you took off how many of us we may be
living in a kind of virtual reality
and that’s what I’ve seen as well and
when we talk of what is real and so many
of us we believe everything to be real
until when you step back and start to
see it in a different way you find even
more power mm-hmm absolutely
and and yeah in in the holographic
canvas that was definitely one of the
things that I focused on is the idea of
real and I and I said you know what is
real define real and I define it as
realm of focus
whatever we’re focused on that is what
we would define as real for us at the
moment and and I look at the words real
realm and reality they’re all offshoots
of each other real Rell reality they’re
the same words so if it’s realm of focus
it would simply mean that whatever that
realm at this moment for us this is real
we’re having this conversation this this
is a realm that we have established for
ourselves to dialogue this is very real
for us so just think of the things that
you look at in your life that and and
and establish limitations for yourself
and the world that you’ve created for
yourself that is real to you you can
make an unreal but at that moment you
are saturated in it you’re it you become
addicted to whatever reality you focus
on and whatever we define is real at
that moment becomes our habit and it
becomes very challenging for people to
step out of it regardless of the
discomfort that they are experiencing so
real is realm of focus that is the
powerful thing what am I focused on
right now what am i focused on what am i
making real for me right now yeah I love
your positive energy just naturally and
when we talk of your latest documentary
the business of disease phenomenal work
what inspired you to set on this voyage
well you know my my I thought at the
time that it was simply you know just me
being different but
I actually got a little tired of the
marketing of the cancer marketing and it
was mainly the breast cancer marketing
and I wondered what kind of impact that
was having on our minds and and it’s
certainly not to trivialize people’s
experiences but I I started to question
that I think I’m thinking you know this
is really marketed just the same way I
speak about the fact that reality is
marketed to us reality is a marketed
experience whatever reality the concerts
there’s certain constructs of reality
that that is definitely marketed to us
and we live that and we don’t realize
that and we make it a part of our our
brains image or concept of what reality
is and so the the marketing of breast
cancer I started looking at the symbol
the pink ribbon symbols because every
time you see pink like with anything
else that’s a symbol you you identify
you immediately you see pink now it
doesn’t matter even if it doesn’t say a
breast cancer that the the idea of pink
is now has now become that so I started
to wonder what you know what was that
doing to our minds how are we processing
that how are we taking that in and
that’s how this came about and I wanted
to interview people who were not just
gonna give philosophical responses but
to give actual maybe some scientific
information on how we are designed how
we function in terms of marketing and so
on and I thought it was gonna be a tiny
film like a YouTube film or something
and it just turned into this bigger
thing that we have it’s just amazing how
so many of us for instance you have this
ice bucket challenge on right now and
you see everyone doing you sometimes you
say to yourself I don’t want to be left
out let me throw some ice over me it’s
so amazing how all of us fall for the
okey doke in
terms of Medicine when we have something
wrong with us we go to the doctor right
what do you feel can serve as a catalyst
for us to stop realizing there are
alternatives because when I watched the
documentary it’s amazing just to see how
we are energy and great a lot of the
diseases we don’t need pills we can’t
actually heal ourselves in a very
natural simple way right and I think
that that was something that I wanted to
also be careful of because people can
get I think turned off when they don’t
have that kind of understanding say okay
well you can heal ourselves yes we can
heal ourselves this body is designed to
do that we see that when we get a cut or
a bruise or you know just simple to just
little things you know we heal from a
cold we recover so I think that so there
is a natural healing ability there for
this amazing vehicle this amazing design
I think that I people be will need to
really begin to take an honest look at
themselves meaning their lives I think
more than anything we need to look at
our emotional state I think that’s such
a huge piece we need to look at our
belief systems we need to look at how
happy we are I think more than anything
else I think to look at how happy we are
in our in our lives we need to look at
how authentic our lives are our lives
authentic I just being another Borg mind
again as you mentioned the ice bucket
challenge because to me that’s some sort
of ritual like anyway that’s a that’s a
whole other dials but you know so I
think that when we begin to look at
these things what we will find is we
start finding who we are and I think
there’s I think authenticity curiosity
all of those things begin to grow our
brain begin to allow us to tap into more
even though the whole brain really is
working we did wonder
percent operating as they say they say
we use 10% but I think the brain again
allows us to see and experience reality
according to the latitude of our
perception how much we can you know we
we can take in as a possibility
so with health I think if I really do
believe that it begins there how much of
yourself do you give over to the
external world in terms of a doctor how
much do you invest in yourself in taking
care of yourself how lazy are you to go
and do your own research and and the
investigative as to what a symptom maybe
everything doesn’t have to be identified
with a name and I think we’ve become so
addicted to that that as soon as we find
out the name of something then even if
that’s not what it is we begin to
develop symptoms you know many times
people have gone to the doctor they have
no symptoms they feel great and I’ve
talked to people like that they feel
really good and the doctor says well
actually you have the big C or whatever
and suddenly all that they start having
all the symptoms
you know everything starts happening to
them so I think that we really need to
really re-examine how we’re actually
living our lives is it just is it just
nine-to-five are you just doing your job
and coming home and doing the usual is
it stuck in a routine because the brain
it needs for you to to explore to show
it something new to take all of that in
and somebody might say well you know
that’s all well and good but you know
I’ve been sick for a while okay well
then let’s look at when did that start
when did you start feeling this way what
was going on in your life when this
began and I think people can trace it
back you know I don’t see oh that’s
right when I when it first started this
is what I was going through you know how
do you eat I say it’s not all just about
food obviously eating the highest
frequency foods is what how I like to
put
is is a way to go to help the body to
help to support the body as the body
deals with us with all of our emotional
ups and up and down so when we look at
it that way it makes a huge difference
so it’s not just I eat well because
they’re people that eat well and then
they still get sick so what else is
going on with the consciousness what
what else is going on are we stuck in
our religion you know I’ve been going to
the same church for thirty years
you know what where is the growth in
their growth is so essential so it’s
it’s all of those components that’s so
well put I see that we love doing the
same thing as everyone else is doing we
are what’s the point yeah right it’s the
board mine and it’s very hard to break
out off and I feel we must yeah yes and
you see that with the ice bucket
challenge and everything else that it’s
addictive we don’t want to be left out
and what I love about the documentary is
that you really offer so many
alternatives people who are already in
the medical field and when I talked to
dr. Bruce Lipton a couple of like a
month ago
and he talked of epigenetics a lot of
people talking about neuroplasticity
you’re having science has to keep up
right now
because the new science the quantum
science physics is showing us that we
are amazing we can do so much oh yeah
and what I find is that many times with
once we stop really blaming the industry
and start realizing we are the industry
our whole lifestyle great if that would
change things
absolutely absolutely yeah it’s the
individual and again
all of those components that I pieces
that I put in place I think when one
comes into that space I think it allows
you to really step back and realize and
take the take responsibility for
yourself as opposed to depending on the
system to fix you I think the system
would have no choice but to change but
right now the system is able to be what
it is because of people’s need for it to
save them people have a savior program
that we have we want something out there
to always save us we don’t want to
really do the work we don’t want to come
in here we want to rely on we’ve got it
we’ve got to have health care a health
care plan we’ve got to have health
insurance and I’m not telling anybody to
not have health insurance I’m just
saying examine what you’re talking about
here because I’ve seen people who are
absolutely you know they didn’t have
anything wrong for you know however many
years and they’re freaking out what if
something happens so we live in that
state of mind of oh my god what if
something happens what if something
happens then that’s what insurance is
insurance is about just in case
something happens just in case something
happens and so we almost want something
to happen so we can use it and it sounds
funny but that’s basically how we’re
thinking then then you get to go oh oh
thank God I had you know my insurance so
I think we start reassessing these
things then the system it doesn’t it
won’t really matter what the system does
and everybody is not going to you know
go into that state of understanding
because everybody isn’t here I don’t
believe in this timeline as we know it
to be to have that kind of evolution and
it’s okay everybody doesn’t have to
everybody’s here on their own mission
and those that understand this and those
who are ready to make that leap wake up
and take back responsibility for
yourself this is your vehicle it’s like
you know you released it out I like to
say that we’ve rented it out to the
system
and the system says okay well this is
what I’ll do for you you let us use your
vehicle and your mind and we’re gonna
compensate you would you know whatever
it is the compensation is we’re gonna
make sure you have life insurance you’re
gonna attempt this you can do you know
so I think we have to look at that this
is my vehicle this is how I see it and I
and I don’t wish to lease it at allit
this is mine I’m occupied and I think we
identify ourselves as the body and I
think we have to take it to another
level of where we recognize we need a
second I am this being that cannot be
limited or confined to my vehicle
however this is the vehicle that I use
that the expansive part of me uses to
move around on in this reality to have
this experience it’s wired for it so
it’s it depends you know we have to
change our perception of this this
vehicle and reality overall and I think
when we understand the more we
understand it the easier it is to shift
away from these programmed concepts and
you talk of Architects of your own
reality and that’s what I love and when
we talk of just marketing I see that you
waste talk of levels of the game and
that’s what I love about your work
because you’re always diving diving deep
and so many levels to this I remember
the conversation we had about a year ago
and you said something which triggered
me to say that there’s got to be people
who are more advanced than us because
where does that leave us and then write
to myself when you have like with the
business of disease and just marketing I
feel there are beings who are so
advanced on a deeper level not just
reading a book but very advanced to know
how to I am beings operate and
absolutely and sometimes when you
empower yourself you begin to learn
certain secrets but it’s a choice if you
want to empower people or whether you
want to manipulate people
and how far do you feel it will go until
people start to really begin to awaken
because you talk of timelines and and
that’s why do you feel that it just
comes when sometimes it’s too late when
you have to go through a medical crisis
or do you feel that this can be changed
by getting in the schools getting this
because the gospel when I watch your
documentary I was saying this should be
shown in every single school because
yeah empowering and if this kind of
documentary which it will be is shown
yeah i and and I think you know I’m
kinda jumping ahead but there’s there’s
dr. rap I said one thing in the film um
that I really loved and and he picked up
his cell phone and and he says you know
this is not the technology that I’m
really interested in what I’m interested
in is the technology of the body what we
can do with this body there’s amazing
things and he’s talking about this he
studied Zen and and I guess hung out
with some of the Zen masters and they’re
able to control their body’s temperature
and you know do all kinds of things to
me those are natural things I think all
of those things are natural abilities
and it sounds like it’s like Oh
superhuman but it really isn’t
what we what we have is the programming
we’re programmed to understand and to
see and believe that reality is the set
way which is extremely limiting we’ve
bought into it and it’s been we handed
down from one generation to the next so
that’s really what we’re dealing with
and so the brain is wired for that the
brain mean well it well you know the not
just the brain but we talk about the
brain because it is the main operating
system there in terms of dialoguing with
the rest of the body but when when as we
begin to step into this realization even
just to understand what we’re talking
about
just to to process and accept that you
know what yeah I get it that’s possible
that in itself begins to open the door
in you it begins to even open the door
in you because now your brain goes ah so
okay we have accepted that as a
possibility but if it’s you’re
completely like shut off then you will
continue to operate based on what I like
to refer to as these default programs
you don’t wake up there’s a default
program set of programs such as run and
that’s what you end up living by by this
so people come here with their own their
own mission their own agenda though it’s
a nice idea that everybody may someday
all shift out of it that might not
necessarily be so but I think people
step up according to their journey and
according to when they are ready I don’t
necessarily think that it’s because of
like anything you know maybe that I say
I think that people who were somehow
ready for maybe what I’m saying showed
up they they’re they’re they happen to
find me on youtube or wherever and and
and they heard the thing for them that
was like maybe one word and it was what
they needed so that’s what I see and
automatically we want everybody to feel
what we feel but we have to realize that
it’s an amazing game and nobody is
deficient in all honesty nobody’s
deficient because what energy can
neither be created nor destroyed but can
be transformed from one form on into
another so since nobody dies and an
energy just is what it is forevermore
the individual will always have an
opportunity to play the game differently
not better but just differently we are
choosing a more evolved level of the
game right now doc that’s what people
like you and I are choosing and to
address this real quickly yes I’ve often
said there are people who
are way more advanced in the sense of
just being incredibly aware they came
into their awareness of what is possible
beyond the stage the level one human
experience and and so they are doing
what they’re doing they’re living maybe
life differently they may walk walk
among us certainly how many people do
you walk around and they don’t know that
you know what you know you know so we
have to recognize that it’s a giant
playing field with many levels and it is
alright to expand into being true
masters to recognize that the work is
that you are you’re putting out content
and and I always talk of radical action
and I feel that’s why the world is the
way it is because people who run the
show that’s all they do is radical
action they don’t meditate just act they
say right I’m gonna do this I’m gonna
produce a newspaper every single day it
may be garbage but guess what they have
the consistency to produce the content
and that’s why I stopped shaping the
reality so somebody will buy it somebody
will read it here something deeper level
there’s always someone out there that’s
precisely my point that is precisely
somebody needs that experience somebody
came in to this reality and they say do
not try to show me anything outside of
the limitations this is what I’m here to
do is to experience being totally
limited or to be able to maybe to
experience a middle ground of
limitations but people come in and it
doesn’t matter what you are I say it
wouldn’t change wouldn’t change anything
for them because that’s just their
journey in that moment and so the system
basically supplies the tools needed to
keep a certain part of the game going
the limitation the limiting game going
until you step out of it we need we need
that what do you call it what’s the word
anyway we we do need some friction we
need something to push us so if that
system wasn’t they’re doing what they’re
doing as much as we want to think oh yes
we’ll just peace and love and kumbaya
all day and no but there’s nothing where
would the motivation be there would be
nothing there to push you it’s a game
and that’s how games work you have to do
you dive in and then you figure out the
game and then you go ah and then you
start making your way out of the game
like monopoly you know you’re trying to
pass go get collect your 200 you know
but but you’re constantly reaching into
deeper levels until we start we really
expand out of this level of limitation
that’s all it is it’s not the ultimate
it’s not the ultimate in our evolution
it’s simply being able to eventually
evolve beyond this limiting concept of
the game then we’re into something more
expansive where we own who we are we can
teleport we can do all of these things
why because we’ve transcended the
programs that say you can’t we’ve
transcended the programs about what the
laws of physics are those are all
programs right I love that so much and
you were one of the catalysts in my
journey just for remembering who I was
and making this the business of disease
what was your aha moment because when
you’re in the process you may have had
aha I get it now what was your greatest
finding that hit you like a ton of
bricks making this because you must have
had to research so much and find so much
hidden stuff you probably weren’t aware
of you know I think for me more than
anything else it was talking to all
these people they were just um
amazing the stuff what I was learning I
think one yeah and this was from
everybody but I think one of the the
people that really it hit me at the time
was dr. Ernest Rossi and I hope to my
plan is to do a three-part of actually
of this film because I couldn’t do this
film in to the degree that it was it
would be way too heavy
for some people because yeah I mean
we’re talking some serious information
so but dr. Rossi when he talks about the
you know ultradian rhythm you know
taking a 20 minute you know Brit why was
necessary take a break every what is it
hundred and twenty minutes or something
like that and what happens with the
brain it’s brain growth and expansion
and consciousness and the information
that he was was sharing was allowing me
to tie the tie it in you know connect
the dots with some of the information
that I had so for me that was one of the
really groundbreaking things and and of
course he’s a neuroscientist so there
was so much incredible information there
and even in talking to Steven Halperin
too many a lot of people know I mean he
was amazing in terms of the kind of
music that he put out in terms of the
brain and there were some things that he
had said can make it to the film that
it’s a sound there’s a certain sound was
that I’ve had all my life it’s this
little cricket sound that you hear and
he talked a little bit about that in
terms of I guess meditation and people
who are in a certain space that they
this is a sound that they hear and being
able to actually meditate to that sound
I thought everybody heard it for a long
time I thought everybody heard that
particular sound I didn’t know that that
everybody didn’t hear that sound so I
just never really talked about it cuz I
didn’t know how to describe it so so so
the information that was shared
there was incredible and I’m like you
know and talking to dr. kwame who I just
loved and Bruce yeah there was a
connect-the-dots would pretty much
everybody that provided some information
it was I was that’s what I was doing I
was just soaking it up
it’s fascinated and all these people
were just really beautiful and that’s
what I wanted I wanted people who were
gonna be authentic and genuine and in
Vienna in a part of the film I didn’t
want people who were ego driven or any
of that I just I didn’t want that I
wanted the film to be true to the core
as to how I am and so the film has to be
that these are real people they really
are genuine oh well and um and Katharine
Rossi when she says I want to live in a
world that’s really really big I want to
live outside you know the box I don’t
want box what did she say I don’t want
boxes or about borders or whatever and
she is also a newer scientists the just
amazing things so the title does kind of
fool you though the title because it has
a business of disease but it actually
talks about the business but it takes
you into this whole other level
yeah well it’s phenomenal and I know you
love hiking and you have a great passion
for it and when we look at technology
because I remember talking in 2009 we
were talking about how everyone is on
the iPhone and now it really seems like
we are computers even myself how much
time I’m spending on the computer and oh
yeah how how important do you feel it is
to still realize the human being is the
greatest form of technology oh oh oh she
seems that the next two years we will be
computers well that’s it well that’s
just just it though and I think that’s
you know people’s fear is in not
understanding the design of the body and
whole what we call a universe is that
all the technology is really mimicking
the original technology which has the
body which is what we look at as a
universe everything is is is is
mimicking a much grander technology and
this body is a divine piece of
technology it is the most amazing
magnificent piece of technology
considering that it is a way for you as
this expansive being to puppet to move
around and I move my fingers in my hand
well what’s moving all this you know to
move around to feel to have emotions
based on how this body is designed and
wired in electrochemical impulses that’s
what allows us to have these feelings of
you know happiness or sadness or joy or
whatever in this magnificent vehicle and
all that the chemicals that are released
in in the body in the brain so I think
to begin to look at that that you are in
this magnificent technology to begin
with your body is that and to not it’s
not externalize so much not not reduce
yourself and put technology external
technology in a place that’s up here I
think one of the thing and I loved a lot
of the technology so let me say that I
do but I know first and foremost that
there is no technology that will be
designed that would be more expansive
than than me then then what I am and who
I am
with same thing with you with everybody
but they just have to know that these
are these are toys these are tools not
only are they toys and tools but in in
the retreat I think was at the retreat I
also talked about the fact that what we
can do though is to look at the
expansion of technology that we’re going
through right now that we’re dealing
with right now and see that there is
this incredible window of X
consciousness expansion and
consciousness for us to be designing in
that manner
that should tell you that it is that
we’re living in a time where human
beings and can also evolve their
technology as that technically that’s a
parallel that’s going on you know what
we see everything is out there
no it’s an opportunity if that if we are
expanding in technology in an external
manner then what about this technology
absolutely signs of the times
don’t forget what your body is and it’s
take it further and if you are on the
phone and I’m on the phone all the time
too I find I mean when I say I’m on the
phone if I’m out I’m checking my emails
and I’m on the computer more than I ever
thought that I would ever be but that’s
why I go out in nature so much not just
because of that because I’ve been doing
it way before computers really were
around but you go out there I don’t take
your shoes off
rub it if you had to go in your backyard
rub your feet on the grass you have to
you have to balance yourself and you
have to get rid of the static
electricity that builds up in your body
from all this technology that we’re
sitting in and saturated with it even
your even your car you know so we’re
going barded by all of it you know all
the time don’t look at it as a good or
bad thing what do I do to balance things
out that that’s how I see it and what do
I do to balance things out and to
continue to evolve myself not be afraid
that the technology may evolve beyond me
that’s not my fear what do I now do to
continue my evolution as I play with
these toys as I have this experience you
are one of the most inspiring people I
know and definitely keep doing what
you’re doing because I feel is so needed
right now on the planet and where can
people see the documentary well the
documentary is actually gonna be we’re
gonna be doing screenings if you go to
table 2 you Gigi calm
you will see that it’s up.we that the
schedule has not been set yet I’m hoping
in next week that they’ll start setting
a schedule for screening and theaters in
different different places different
areas and then there will be a list I
keep saying that but there’s been so
much just had to happen that you know
it’s that’s just the way it is in doing
a film the first time I’ve ever done it
now I know but it’s we don’t have it
video on demand yet but we will once we
do the theater screenings then it will
be so in another month I’d say in
another now I’m I’d say in another six
weeks because we have to give the time
for the marketing of it but the schedule
will be up in terms of where you can see
it but it’ll probably take about six
weeks to actually be able to see it in
one of these places some people have had
an opportunity to screen it there are
people that bought the DVD in advance
and they were allowed to screen it on
the prior Vimeo a private screening on
Vimeo one so oh and it’s this is of
disease palm sorry the business of
disease calm is the website for the film
and my website is spirit inform calm
wonderful website great articles there
and once again just thank you so much
for taking time out thank you thank you
everyone is busy here in this matrix boy
it keeps us hopping you know but what
you’re doing is is really fantastic and
and to see that you’ve been doing it and
the passion is still there I think
that’s the wonderful thing about this
journey that the deeper you go the
deeper it gets with the more feeling
great mm-hm
and you’ve just taken off like I said so
just expressing your truth and and
really sharing and inspiring people and
to me you know I I do it because it’s
it’s my journey it’s it’s me discovering
more than anything know that that’s
really why I do it and in the process I
share I share where I’m at and what I am
now understand
once again thank you so much and join us
again dive deep and to everyone else out
there stay inspired we are here infinite
waters diving deep once again stay well stay healthy
again we have a very special guest I
call her the Oracle it’s very very
welcome thank you so much for anyone
that doesn’t know she is the author of
the holographic canvas the fusing of
mind and matter insights a cutting edge
much of his supported by quantum physics
Sonja’s work bridges the gap between
science and spirituality and she has
just produced her first documentary
titled
the business of disease congratulations
thank you so much thank you thank you
thank you yes
here we are it’s always a pleasure to
chat with you
it’s always fun chatting with you cuz
we’re going down the same interesting
path yes we go back and I always love
how you dive into hidden areas which so
many of us take for granted I love your
whole theme of the cosmic game that’s
really what helped me to awaken back in
2009 oh well yeah that’s awesome I mean
you’ve just sort of like just taken off
just wings and just flying and and I
love watching you do that but yeah the
game aspect it did the same thing for me
what I realized one day wait a second
this is like one giant game you know the
game in a game it in a game do you
remember that what is that called you
know where you you you take it apart and
there’s a you know figure inside a
figure inside a figure I forgot there’s
a name for it but but yeah it’s a game
in a game in a game in a game you know
and and I think the more we realize that
I for me anyway it started to simplify
things I you don’t take it as seriously
you know you do at times but your base
reasoning
and he’s awareness is that realization
well before we talk about the
documentary just simplify the
holographic canvas because that is
fascinating in itself that book is
groundbreaking who simplify it um you
know I wrote it a little while ago and
it’s interesting you know cuz you do
things and you move to this other stage
of whatever the next thing is the book
was definitely a launching pad and for
not just for me but so many people I
think the book actually reflects a lot
of what I was discovering and what I had
discovered over my 10 10 years of trying
to understand what life is and what it’s
all about
so I touched on of course the
holographic nature of reality even
concepts about time travel you know the
fact that we are time traveling all the
time and you know just sort of looked at
areas that we typically don’t examine
which of course is the game aspect of
reality the cosmic cosmic game itself
and just exploring the possibilities
letting people realize that there were
endless possibilities and that there was
really no final point as we’ve sort of
been programmed to believe but it was
just this open on ending sea of
potentials and possibilities and that it
was all up to the individual to step
outside the box and take the blinders
off and just say you know what I’m ready
to understand and to see more of Who I
am and all that I can continue to become
or expand into so quantum physics – is
it you know there’s there’s those
elements definitely a lot of quantum
physics references because I think that
physics definitely is a great platform
for us to understand more about this
what I love about your work is that it’s
always coming from a place of
empowerment
that you have the power to stop cracking
the codes stop seeing the glitching in
the matrix and start realizing that no
one’s to blame that’s the big yep that’s
the powerful part right there that to me
is an extremely powerful piece but
believe it or not you know for some
people it’s it’s scary because it leaves
you without someone to blame or a crutch
per se and I think people are so afraid
of change because of the unknown that
that that kind of freaks you know some
people out the fact that there’s nobody
to blame well then it all comes back to
you and then there is no blame so that’s
the other part people end up having to
learn is even for yourself it’s it’s not
a blame game
it’s a every situation every experience
is an opportunity this is why we’re here
so so I say there is no good and bad
experience it’s just being able to
recognize the gift in every single thing
that you have experience regardless of
how challenging it appeared to be there
is a reason why we encountered that
experience or we made those choices and
I think when we understand that blame is
not necessary it’s that the whole
concept is just part of the game I think
then we can be free to extract the gifts
that we received from those things that
we have experienced in our lives and
that was that was certainly it for me
and you know you know I had gone through
some horrific what would be considered
horrific experiences which brought me
here
if I hadn’t have gone through those
experiences and I’m not saying everybody
has to go through those but for me it
well I mean it motivated me it put fire
under me it made me question and be
curious and just dive in and go I need
to know why are we here you know what is
this and you know Here I am
you took off how many of us we may be
living in a kind of virtual reality
and that’s what I’ve seen as well and
when we talk of what is real and so many
of us we believe everything to be real
until when you step back and start to
see it in a different way you find even
more power mm-hmm absolutely
and and yeah in in the holographic
canvas that was definitely one of the
things that I focused on is the idea of
real and I and I said you know what is
real define real and I define it as
realm of focus
whatever we’re focused on that is what
we would define as real for us at the
moment and and I look at the words real
realm and reality they’re all offshoots
of each other real Rell reality they’re
the same words so if it’s realm of focus
it would simply mean that whatever that
realm at this moment for us this is real
we’re having this conversation this this
is a realm that we have established for
ourselves to dialogue this is very real
for us so just think of the things that
you look at in your life that and and
and establish limitations for yourself
and the world that you’ve created for
yourself that is real to you you can
make an unreal but at that moment you
are saturated in it you’re it you become
addicted to whatever reality you focus
on and whatever we define is real at
that moment becomes our habit and it
becomes very challenging for people to
step out of it regardless of the
discomfort that they are experiencing so
real is realm of focus that is the
powerful thing what am I focused on
right now what am i focused on what am i
making real for me right now yeah I love
your positive energy just naturally and
when we talk of your latest documentary
the business of disease phenomenal work
what inspired you to set on this voyage
well you know my my I thought at the
time that it was simply you know just me
being different but
I actually got a little tired of the
marketing of the cancer marketing and it
was mainly the breast cancer marketing
and I wondered what kind of impact that
was having on our minds and and it’s
certainly not to trivialize people’s
experiences but I I started to question
that I think I’m thinking you know this
is really marketed just the same way I
speak about the fact that reality is
marketed to us reality is a marketed
experience whatever reality the concerts
there’s certain constructs of reality
that that is definitely marketed to us
and we live that and we don’t realize
that and we make it a part of our our
brains image or concept of what reality
is and so the the marketing of breast
cancer I started looking at the symbol
the pink ribbon symbols because every
time you see pink like with anything
else that’s a symbol you you identify
you immediately you see pink now it
doesn’t matter even if it doesn’t say a
breast cancer that the the idea of pink
is now has now become that so I started
to wonder what you know what was that
doing to our minds how are we processing
that how are we taking that in and
that’s how this came about and I wanted
to interview people who were not just
gonna give philosophical responses but
to give actual maybe some scientific
information on how we are designed how
we function in terms of marketing and so
on and I thought it was gonna be a tiny
film like a YouTube film or something
and it just turned into this bigger
thing that we have it’s just amazing how
so many of us for instance you have this
ice bucket challenge on right now and
you see everyone doing you sometimes you
say to yourself I don’t want to be left
out let me throw some ice over me it’s
so amazing how all of us fall for the
okey doke in
terms of Medicine when we have something
wrong with us we go to the doctor right
what do you feel can serve as a catalyst
for us to stop realizing there are
alternatives because when I watched the
documentary it’s amazing just to see how
we are energy and great a lot of the
diseases we don’t need pills we can’t
actually heal ourselves in a very
natural simple way right and I think
that that was something that I wanted to
also be careful of because people can
get I think turned off when they don’t
have that kind of understanding say okay
well you can heal ourselves yes we can
heal ourselves this body is designed to
do that we see that when we get a cut or
a bruise or you know just simple to just
little things you know we heal from a
cold we recover so I think that so there
is a natural healing ability there for
this amazing vehicle this amazing design
I think that I people be will need to
really begin to take an honest look at
themselves meaning their lives I think
more than anything we need to look at
our emotional state I think that’s such
a huge piece we need to look at our
belief systems we need to look at how
happy we are I think more than anything
else I think to look at how happy we are
in our in our lives we need to look at
how authentic our lives are our lives
authentic I just being another Borg mind
again as you mentioned the ice bucket
challenge because to me that’s some sort
of ritual like anyway that’s a that’s a
whole other dials but you know so I
think that when we begin to look at
these things what we will find is we
start finding who we are and I think
there’s I think authenticity curiosity
all of those things begin to grow our
brain begin to allow us to tap into more
even though the whole brain really is
working we did wonder
percent operating as they say they say
we use 10% but I think the brain again
allows us to see and experience reality
according to the latitude of our
perception how much we can you know we
we can take in as a possibility
so with health I think if I really do
believe that it begins there how much of
yourself do you give over to the
external world in terms of a doctor how
much do you invest in yourself in taking
care of yourself how lazy are you to go
and do your own research and and the
investigative as to what a symptom maybe
everything doesn’t have to be identified
with a name and I think we’ve become so
addicted to that that as soon as we find
out the name of something then even if
that’s not what it is we begin to
develop symptoms you know many times
people have gone to the doctor they have
no symptoms they feel great and I’ve
talked to people like that they feel
really good and the doctor says well
actually you have the big C or whatever
and suddenly all that they start having
all the symptoms
you know everything starts happening to
them so I think that we really need to
really re-examine how we’re actually
living our lives is it just is it just
nine-to-five are you just doing your job
and coming home and doing the usual is
it stuck in a routine because the brain
it needs for you to to explore to show
it something new to take all of that in
and somebody might say well you know
that’s all well and good but you know
I’ve been sick for a while okay well
then let’s look at when did that start
when did you start feeling this way what
was going on in your life when this
began and I think people can trace it
back you know I don’t see oh that’s
right when I when it first started this
is what I was going through you know how
do you eat I say it’s not all just about
food obviously eating the highest
frequency foods is what how I like to
put
is is a way to go to help the body to
help to support the body as the body
deals with us with all of our emotional
ups and up and down so when we look at
it that way it makes a huge difference
so it’s not just I eat well because
they’re people that eat well and then
they still get sick so what else is
going on with the consciousness what
what else is going on are we stuck in
our religion you know I’ve been going to
the same church for thirty years
you know what where is the growth in
their growth is so essential so it’s
it’s all of those components that’s so
well put I see that we love doing the
same thing as everyone else is doing we
are what’s the point yeah right it’s the
board mine and it’s very hard to break
out off and I feel we must yeah yes and
you see that with the ice bucket
challenge and everything else that it’s
addictive we don’t want to be left out
and what I love about the documentary is
that you really offer so many
alternatives people who are already in
the medical field and when I talked to
dr. Bruce Lipton a couple of like a
month ago
and he talked of epigenetics a lot of
people talking about neuroplasticity
you’re having science has to keep up
right now
because the new science the quantum
science physics is showing us that we
are amazing we can do so much oh yeah
and what I find is that many times with
once we stop really blaming the industry
and start realizing we are the industry
our whole lifestyle great if that would
change things
absolutely absolutely yeah it’s the
individual and again
all of those components that I pieces
that I put in place I think when one
comes into that space I think it allows
you to really step back and realize and
take the take responsibility for
yourself as opposed to depending on the
system to fix you I think the system
would have no choice but to change but
right now the system is able to be what
it is because of people’s need for it to
save them people have a savior program
that we have we want something out there
to always save us we don’t want to
really do the work we don’t want to come
in here we want to rely on we’ve got it
we’ve got to have health care a health
care plan we’ve got to have health
insurance and I’m not telling anybody to
not have health insurance I’m just
saying examine what you’re talking about
here because I’ve seen people who are
absolutely you know they didn’t have
anything wrong for you know however many
years and they’re freaking out what if
something happens so we live in that
state of mind of oh my god what if
something happens what if something
happens then that’s what insurance is
insurance is about just in case
something happens just in case something
happens and so we almost want something
to happen so we can use it and it sounds
funny but that’s basically how we’re
thinking then then you get to go oh oh
thank God I had you know my insurance so
I think we start reassessing these
things then the system it doesn’t it
won’t really matter what the system does
and everybody is not going to you know
go into that state of understanding
because everybody isn’t here I don’t
believe in this timeline as we know it
to be to have that kind of evolution and
it’s okay everybody doesn’t have to
everybody’s here on their own mission
and those that understand this and those
who are ready to make that leap wake up
and take back responsibility for
yourself this is your vehicle it’s like
you know you released it out I like to
say that we’ve rented it out to the
system
and the system says okay well this is
what I’ll do for you you let us use your
vehicle and your mind and we’re gonna
compensate you would you know whatever
it is the compensation is we’re gonna
make sure you have life insurance you’re
gonna attempt this you can do you know
so I think we have to look at that this
is my vehicle this is how I see it and I
and I don’t wish to lease it at allit
this is mine I’m occupied and I think we
identify ourselves as the body and I
think we have to take it to another
level of where we recognize we need a
second I am this being that cannot be
limited or confined to my vehicle
however this is the vehicle that I use
that the expansive part of me uses to
move around on in this reality to have
this experience it’s wired for it so
it’s it depends you know we have to
change our perception of this this
vehicle and reality overall and I think
when we understand the more we
understand it the easier it is to shift
away from these programmed concepts and
you talk of Architects of your own
reality and that’s what I love and when
we talk of just marketing I see that you
waste talk of levels of the game and
that’s what I love about your work
because you’re always diving diving deep
and so many levels to this I remember
the conversation we had about a year ago
and you said something which triggered
me to say that there’s got to be people
who are more advanced than us because
where does that leave us and then write
to myself when you have like with the
business of disease and just marketing I
feel there are beings who are so
advanced on a deeper level not just
reading a book but very advanced to know
how to I am beings operate and
absolutely and sometimes when you
empower yourself you begin to learn
certain secrets but it’s a choice if you
want to empower people or whether you
want to manipulate people
and how far do you feel it will go until
people start to really begin to awaken
because you talk of timelines and and
that’s why do you feel that it just
comes when sometimes it’s too late when
you have to go through a medical crisis
or do you feel that this can be changed
by getting in the schools getting this
because the gospel when I watch your
documentary I was saying this should be
shown in every single school because
yeah empowering and if this kind of
documentary which it will be is shown
yeah i and and I think you know I’m
kinda jumping ahead but there’s there’s
dr. rap I said one thing in the film um
that I really loved and and he picked up
his cell phone and and he says you know
this is not the technology that I’m
really interested in what I’m interested
in is the technology of the body what we
can do with this body there’s amazing
things and he’s talking about this he
studied Zen and and I guess hung out
with some of the Zen masters and they’re
able to control their body’s temperature
and you know do all kinds of things to
me those are natural things I think all
of those things are natural abilities
and it sounds like it’s like Oh
superhuman but it really isn’t
what we what we have is the programming
we’re programmed to understand and to
see and believe that reality is the set
way which is extremely limiting we’ve
bought into it and it’s been we handed
down from one generation to the next so
that’s really what we’re dealing with
and so the brain is wired for that the
brain mean well it well you know the not
just the brain but we talk about the
brain because it is the main operating
system there in terms of dialoguing with
the rest of the body but when when as we
begin to step into this realization even
just to understand what we’re talking
about
just to to process and accept that you
know what yeah I get it that’s possible
that in itself begins to open the door
in you it begins to even open the door
in you because now your brain goes ah so
okay we have accepted that as a
possibility but if it’s you’re
completely like shut off then you will
continue to operate based on what I like
to refer to as these default programs
you don’t wake up there’s a default
program set of programs such as run and
that’s what you end up living by by this
so people come here with their own their
own mission their own agenda though it’s
a nice idea that everybody may someday
all shift out of it that might not
necessarily be so but I think people
step up according to their journey and
according to when they are ready I don’t
necessarily think that it’s because of
like anything you know maybe that I say
I think that people who were somehow
ready for maybe what I’m saying showed
up they they’re they’re they happen to
find me on youtube or wherever and and
and they heard the thing for them that
was like maybe one word and it was what
they needed so that’s what I see and
automatically we want everybody to feel
what we feel but we have to realize that
it’s an amazing game and nobody is
deficient in all honesty nobody’s
deficient because what energy can
neither be created nor destroyed but can
be transformed from one form on into
another so since nobody dies and an
energy just is what it is forevermore
the individual will always have an
opportunity to play the game differently
not better but just differently we are
choosing a more evolved level of the
game right now doc that’s what people
like you and I are choosing and to
address this real quickly yes I’ve often
said there are people who
are way more advanced in the sense of
just being incredibly aware they came
into their awareness of what is possible
beyond the stage the level one human
experience and and so they are doing
what they’re doing they’re living maybe
life differently they may walk walk
among us certainly how many people do
you walk around and they don’t know that
you know what you know you know so we
have to recognize that it’s a giant
playing field with many levels and it is
alright to expand into being true
masters to recognize that the work is
that you are you’re putting out content
and and I always talk of radical action
and I feel that’s why the world is the
way it is because people who run the
show that’s all they do is radical
action they don’t meditate just act they
say right I’m gonna do this I’m gonna
produce a newspaper every single day it
may be garbage but guess what they have
the consistency to produce the content
and that’s why I stopped shaping the
reality so somebody will buy it somebody
will read it here something deeper level
there’s always someone out there that’s
precisely my point that is precisely
somebody needs that experience somebody
came in to this reality and they say do
not try to show me anything outside of
the limitations this is what I’m here to
do is to experience being totally
limited or to be able to maybe to
experience a middle ground of
limitations but people come in and it
doesn’t matter what you are I say it
wouldn’t change wouldn’t change anything
for them because that’s just their
journey in that moment and so the system
basically supplies the tools needed to
keep a certain part of the game going
the limitation the limiting game going
until you step out of it we need we need
that what do you call it what’s the word
anyway we we do need some friction we
need something to push us so if that
system wasn’t they’re doing what they’re
doing as much as we want to think oh yes
we’ll just peace and love and kumbaya
all day and no but there’s nothing where
would the motivation be there would be
nothing there to push you it’s a game
and that’s how games work you have to do
you dive in and then you figure out the
game and then you go ah and then you
start making your way out of the game
like monopoly you know you’re trying to
pass go get collect your 200 you know
but but you’re constantly reaching into
deeper levels until we start we really
expand out of this level of limitation
that’s all it is it’s not the ultimate
it’s not the ultimate in our evolution
it’s simply being able to eventually
evolve beyond this limiting concept of
the game then we’re into something more
expansive where we own who we are we can
teleport we can do all of these things
why because we’ve transcended the
programs that say you can’t we’ve
transcended the programs about what the
laws of physics are those are all
programs right I love that so much and
you were one of the catalysts in my
journey just for remembering who I was
and making this the business of disease
what was your aha moment because when
you’re in the process you may have had
aha I get it now what was your greatest
finding that hit you like a ton of
bricks making this because you must have
had to research so much and find so much
hidden stuff you probably weren’t aware
of you know I think for me more than
anything else it was talking to all
these people they were just um
amazing the stuff what I was learning I
think one yeah and this was from
everybody but I think one of the the
people that really it hit me at the time
was dr. Ernest Rossi and I hope to my
plan is to do a three-part of actually
of this film because I couldn’t do this
film in to the degree that it was it
would be way too heavy
for some people because yeah I mean
we’re talking some serious information
so but dr. Rossi when he talks about the
you know ultradian rhythm you know
taking a 20 minute you know Brit why was
necessary take a break every what is it
hundred and twenty minutes or something
like that and what happens with the
brain it’s brain growth and expansion
and consciousness and the information
that he was was sharing was allowing me
to tie the tie it in you know connect
the dots with some of the information
that I had so for me that was one of the
really groundbreaking things and and of
course he’s a neuroscientist so there
was so much incredible information there
and even in talking to Steven Halperin
too many a lot of people know I mean he
was amazing in terms of the kind of
music that he put out in terms of the
brain and there were some things that he
had said can make it to the film that
it’s a sound there’s a certain sound was
that I’ve had all my life it’s this
little cricket sound that you hear and
he talked a little bit about that in
terms of I guess meditation and people
who are in a certain space that they
this is a sound that they hear and being
able to actually meditate to that sound
I thought everybody heard it for a long
time I thought everybody heard that
particular sound I didn’t know that that
everybody didn’t hear that sound so I
just never really talked about it cuz I
didn’t know how to describe it so so so
the information that was shared
there was incredible and I’m like you
know and talking to dr. kwame who I just
loved and Bruce yeah there was a
connect-the-dots would pretty much
everybody that provided some information
it was I was that’s what I was doing I
was just soaking it up
it’s fascinated and all these people
were just really beautiful and that’s
what I wanted I wanted people who were
gonna be authentic and genuine and in
Vienna in a part of the film I didn’t
want people who were ego driven or any
of that I just I didn’t want that I
wanted the film to be true to the core
as to how I am and so the film has to be
that these are real people they really
are genuine oh well and um and Katharine
Rossi when she says I want to live in a
world that’s really really big I want to
live outside you know the box I don’t
want box what did she say I don’t want
boxes or about borders or whatever and
she is also a newer scientists the just
amazing things so the title does kind of
fool you though the title because it has
a business of disease but it actually
talks about the business but it takes
you into this whole other level
yeah well it’s phenomenal and I know you
love hiking and you have a great passion
for it and when we look at technology
because I remember talking in 2009 we
were talking about how everyone is on
the iPhone and now it really seems like
we are computers even myself how much
time I’m spending on the computer and oh
yeah how how important do you feel it is
to still realize the human being is the
greatest form of technology oh oh oh she
seems that the next two years we will be
computers well that’s it well that’s
just just it though and I think that’s
you know people’s fear is in not
understanding the design of the body and
whole what we call a universe is that
all the technology is really mimicking
the original technology which has the
body which is what we look at as a
universe everything is is is is
mimicking a much grander technology and
this body is a divine piece of
technology it is the most amazing
magnificent piece of technology
considering that it is a way for you as
this expansive being to puppet to move
around and I move my fingers in my hand
well what’s moving all this you know to
move around to feel to have emotions
based on how this body is designed and
wired in electrochemical impulses that’s
what allows us to have these feelings of
you know happiness or sadness or joy or
whatever in this magnificent vehicle and
all that the chemicals that are released
in in the body in the brain so I think
to begin to look at that that you are in
this magnificent technology to begin
with your body is that and to not it’s
not externalize so much not not reduce
yourself and put technology external
technology in a place that’s up here I
think one of the thing and I loved a lot
of the technology so let me say that I
do but I know first and foremost that
there is no technology that will be
designed that would be more expansive
than than me then then what I am and who
I am
with same thing with you with everybody
but they just have to know that these
are these are toys these are tools not
only are they toys and tools but in in
the retreat I think was at the retreat I
also talked about the fact that what we
can do though is to look at the
expansion of technology that we’re going
through right now that we’re dealing
with right now and see that there is
this incredible window of X
consciousness expansion and
consciousness for us to be designing in
that manner
that should tell you that it is that
we’re living in a time where human
beings and can also evolve their
technology as that technically that’s a
parallel that’s going on you know what
we see everything is out there
no it’s an opportunity if that if we are
expanding in technology in an external
manner then what about this technology
absolutely signs of the times
don’t forget what your body is and it’s
take it further and if you are on the
phone and I’m on the phone all the time
too I find I mean when I say I’m on the
phone if I’m out I’m checking my emails
and I’m on the computer more than I ever
thought that I would ever be but that’s
why I go out in nature so much not just
because of that because I’ve been doing
it way before computers really were
around but you go out there I don’t take
your shoes off
rub it if you had to go in your backyard
rub your feet on the grass you have to
you have to balance yourself and you
have to get rid of the static
electricity that builds up in your body
from all this technology that we’re
sitting in and saturated with it even
your even your car you know so we’re
going barded by all of it you know all
the time don’t look at it as a good or
bad thing what do I do to balance things
out that that’s how I see it and what do
I do to balance things out and to
continue to evolve myself not be afraid
that the technology may evolve beyond me
that’s not my fear what do I now do to
continue my evolution as I play with
these toys as I have this experience you
are one of the most inspiring people I
know and definitely keep doing what
you’re doing because I feel is so needed
right now on the planet and where can
people see the documentary well the
documentary is actually gonna be we’re
gonna be doing screenings if you go to
table 2 you Gigi calm
you will see that it’s up.we that the
schedule has not been set yet I’m hoping
in next week that they’ll start setting
a schedule for screening and theaters in
different different places different
areas and then there will be a list I
keep saying that but there’s been so
much just had to happen that you know
it’s that’s just the way it is in doing
a film the first time I’ve ever done it
now I know but it’s we don’t have it
video on demand yet but we will once we
do the theater screenings then it will
be so in another month I’d say in
another now I’m I’d say in another six
weeks because we have to give the time
for the marketing of it but the schedule
will be up in terms of where you can see
it but it’ll probably take about six
weeks to actually be able to see it in
one of these places some people have had
an opportunity to screen it there are
people that bought the DVD in advance
and they were allowed to screen it on
the prior Vimeo a private screening on
Vimeo one so oh and it’s this is of
disease palm sorry the business of
disease calm is the website for the film
and my website is spirit inform calm
wonderful website great articles there
and once again just thank you so much
for taking time out thank you thank you
everyone is busy here in this matrix boy
it keeps us hopping you know but what
you’re doing is is really fantastic and
and to see that you’ve been doing it and
the passion is still there I think
that’s the wonderful thing about this
journey that the deeper you go the
deeper it gets with the more feeling
great mm-hm
and you’ve just taken off like I said so
just expressing your truth and and
really sharing and inspiring people and
to me you know I I do it because it’s
it’s my journey it’s it’s me discovering
more than anything know that that’s
really why I do it and in the process I
share I share where I’m at and what I am
now understand
once again thank you so much and join us
again dive deep and to everyone else out
there stay inspired we are here infinite
waters diving deep once again stay well stay healthy
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