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Let’s talk about death then get on with living | Dallas Pounds | TEDxWandsworth


I remember some years ago nursing my

Nana as she died of lung cancer and it

was only a couple of weeks between

diagnosis and death so it’s a really big

shock

or round and as the nurse in the family

I took a lead in caring for her in

getting her home from hospital and in

all of that time I involved my children

my children was six and four at that

time and they sat on the bed and they

chatted with Nana how only children can

pinched her sweeties you know go into

her hair gave her kisses goodbye when

they’d been to the hospice with me

several times where I worked and we

talked about death and dying and I had

to answered their questions as best I

thought I could both in the way that

they had understand as small people but

also in a way that I could cope with us

as mum and they knew that Nana would die

and they knew they wouldn’t see her

after a little while but that was okay

it was sad but it was okay now my family

were really really shocked that I

allowed my children to be involved in

this way and even more so in their

company in me to the funeral and my four

year old cheerfully announced at the

graveside in not very quiet stage

whisper that Nana’s body was going to be

eaten by worms but it was okay and it

didn’t matter because she didn’t need it

anymore because she was going to live in

our hearts forever and a few months

maybe a year later a member of my family

came to me and said Dallas I so wish I

had done that with my son he has been

having nightmares about when Nana has

gone and what has happened to her I

didn’t let him see her when she was

poorly I swerved the conversation about

what was happening to her and when

eventually I took him to the graveside

he could not reconcile in his we had the

place called heaven that mum said Nana

had gone to in this place in the ground

where she was apparently lying on top of

granddad we prepare for all sorts of

life events though

as we grow up as children as young

adults going to school taking exams

earning money relationships but the one

event that is totally relevant to

everybody in this room we swerve

I mean sometimes let the entertainment

business give sometimes sensational

representation of that and it is death

and dying death could be discussed in

the school curriculum across many many

different areas dying matters which is a

website full of resources and

information under the umbrella of

hospice UK advocates that death and

dying is brought into much of the

curriculum arts history music geography

to name but a few to help have a healthy

debate around what does it mean to die

how much better would it be to support a

child returning to school who is

bereaved in an environment which

acknowledges death and doesn’t try to

swerve it in the corridor how much

better to be a teacher who’s got some

skills in order to speak to that child

or indeed a colleague at Trinity I’m

really pleased to say that we do school

trips and everybody can always is a bit

of ghast when I say that schools come

and come around the hospice and see what

we do but having helped on a couple I am

overwhelmed by the response of the

pupils and the teachers and they’re

really intelligent and insightful

questions that they ask it is humbling

but of course all of this does need to

be done in an age-appropriate way and by

teachers who are brave enough to talk

about something where there are no

conclusive answers but the fact is that

the world mortality rate is 100%

it’s true sorry last year just over half

a million people died in England and

Wales just 4% of those were due to

accident or intentional self-harm so a

lot of us can predict that death is

coming but it remains a taboo we don’t

learn about it at school we don’t chat

about it around the dinner table as

children our pets are replaced and as

young adults we may never experience

alongside somebody who is dying let

alone be in the presence of a dead body

but then when death does touch us we

have to manage in the moment and that

moment is one of the hardest moments

that we will ever have in our lives and

usually we have to manage all of this

the complex social emotional physical

practical aspects of somebody dying in a

very short period when honestly our

physical and our emotional strength is

probably at its weakest and dying is a

complex business there are legal aspects

to consider financial social practical

as well as all of the emotional and

there are myths to debunk as well there

so that you can make decisions so that

your death or the way that your people

that you leave behind manage your death

cope can be the way you want it to so

did you know for instance that in the UK

you do not have to have a religious

person conductor of ceremony did you

also know that you actually don’t have

to have a funeral director if you don’t

want one it is perfectly possible if not

the norm to have a body at home to

liaise with the church or the

crematorium yourselves and use any

vehicle you like to transport the body

to that service a friend of mine had a

basic coffin delivered to her home so

that she could decorate it for her

mother’s funeral it was the most amazing

therapeutic experience for her raised a

few eyebrows in the street with her

neighbors but was fantastic for her and

in this technological age

have you considered your Facebook

account or that vast iTunes library that

you have do you want to send friend

requests from beyond the grave maybe you

do but you need to think about those

things on Facebook now I’m glad to say

you actually can go into settings and

nominate a legacy contact but I’m afraid

if you don’t want your iTunes to float

off into the ether you do need to leave

your account details and your password

with somebody and then you also have to

consider the other practicalities

writing a will a power of attorney

making your wishes known about whether

you want to be buried or chromia for me

it has some thoughts about the financial

costs as well talking about death and

dying is not easy we are not taught how

to do it but we must plan and we must

plan in order that we can continue to

live and make the most of our lives I’m

not advocating that we all go around

obsessed about talking about death and

dying I’m really not but I am advocating

that we have a courageous conversation

that we are brave just for a few minutes

an hour maybe with those that are

closest to us to talk about it to

acknowledge that it might happen we

might see it coming or we might not we

don’t want to leave those relief behind

guessing uh what we would have wanted we

don’t want to leave those who were

behind in conflict we don’t want to

leave them arguing amongst themselves we

owe it to them to give them some sort of

idea about what we would like we had

about ten days with Nana

to have these precious precious

conversations and she had a basic will

but had death not being upon her we

wouldn’t have talked to her about the

rest and I am quite sure that her

service and her care needs would not

have been the way that she wanted unless

we were able to have those conversations

we would have known that she wanted to

be buried with grandad but we probably

wouldn’t have bought her home to die and

she had some very very firm views on who

could see her naked bottom but as an

incredibly large family to have those

conversations met that meant that we all

found our place in the events that were

unfolding we all had a role and we all

had a reason and it meant that we came

together in a way that we would not have

done without that precious time and that

courageous conversation in a dying

matter survey in 2014 they suggest that

83% of us don’t want to talk about death

and dying

51% of us don’t know our partners wishes

and only 36% of us has actually written

a will so we’re not great at talking and

we’re not great

and all of these plans aren’t just about

dying

they’re about incapacity as well if you

were not able to communicate with the

world around you who would you want to

do that do they know you want to do that

and do they know what to say on your

behalf so this is not just about dying

this is about incapacity and it’s

interesting that despite being such a

taboo in this country there is a massive

amount of help out there for you in

order to make these plans digitally

there are apps and websites if you put

advanced care planning into Google

you’ll get over a million hits so

there’s plenty of help out there

something that you can do yourself and

something that you can pay for you can

write your own will you can do that it’s

a legally binding document you don’t

have to pay to have it done if you can

see death coming because of an illness

or a condition there’s even more help

available to you the UK is the world’s

leading country in palliative and

end-of-life care and this year is the

50th anniversary of the modern hospice

movement and if you go on hospice

websites or you speak to hospice staff

you can find any number of help for you

in planning and talking about death and

dying indeed at Trinity if you’ve gone

to our website you’ll find a tab called

planning for the future which has lots

and lots of interesting information and

further information for you to use

simple actions like having those

conversations and writing a will and the

courage to do that can have a lifetime

of difference on the people that we

leave behind and we owe them that in the

hospice we see all the time the conflict

and the distress that not having those

plans can make the bereaved remember how

we died they breathe that they remember

how we approach it and how it felt for

them so they spend that difficult time

thinking about the practical and the

legal aspects and the financial aspects

rather than adjusting to loss

they get us and depending on what media

you read a funeral costs between four

and nine thousand pounds so you know we

really might want to think about that do

we want to burden those that we’re

leaving behind with that financial cost

either temporarily or permanently

because we haven’t thought about who’s

accessing our bank accounts if I look

down on the world that I’ve left behind

when I die I really do not want to see

distress or conflict that could have

been averted by a brave conversation and

just pop him back to my children for a

minute there now young adults and we do

talk about death and dying from time to

time not all the time and I’m pretty

confident that they are as prepared as

they could be for the time that I die or

lose the capacity and they know where to

find the answers it’s a silver box

tucked away under the desk in the study

but of course we don’t know what it’s

like to be dead we can regale each

others with stories of other life events

childbirth for instance how wonderful it

was how awful it was how we’re never

going to do it again we can give

marriage another try we can change jobs

but we only die the once and nobody

comes back to tell us that it’s okay it

is the greatest unknown and to think of

not being here anymore to think about

what we might miss out on being

consigned to history if you like it’s a

really really scary thing even for me

working in palliative and end-of-life

care for as long as I have I still talk

in the abstract I talked from my

observations and my clinical knowledge

but I still personally don’t know what

it’s like to die so my challenge to all

of you today is to talk to make plans

and then get on with living life is

precious live every moment live every

day because the truth is we will all die and the Dare is accepting that thank

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