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Le bon usage de l’audace | Micheline Calmy-Rey & Darius Rochebin | TEDxUniGeneva


I’d like to start from a word a bit
strange of Napoleon who is at
with his soldiers at the bivouac one evening
from 1807 before the battle of eylau you
know it’s a picture of epaline napoleon
who is a little demagogue in the middle of
his soldiers he’s going to eat potatoes
with them cooked over a wood fire they
pull the ear you know emmanuel
macron does that too a bit with his
ministers he shoots their ears that wants
to say I’m affectionate am I when
even above you but I am
affectionate
it’s a commonplace but its way of
to say is curious and I will read you
the exact quote
he says the true glory is to
put on top of his pond
I have a good place I am in evidence
I could live in the delights of my
capital well I’m making war for
the glory of France I am in the middle
from you to the bivouac and in the fighting
I can be just as you reach
by a bullet and that’s where there is this
curious formula I put myself above
my condition and well the quote but income
right away has in memory olympic camp
Armenian gave me the theme beyond
and when we have agreed guests
micheline calmy rey ​​what napoleon says
there are men and women
who does not just exercise
fill to accomplish a task mandate
a function but they always go a
little beyond they move the lines
it’s true for emperors as for
the coffee boys the doctors the
teachers what do I know a lot
authors have turned around this
idea
there is a great wrong of rebirth in
italian castiglione who calls it the
sprezzatura is not to be too fixed
it’s a little move the costume a
Spanish Jesuit call it the years the
French translators have had trouble
to translate that and amelot great translator
of the seventeenth century said it must be said that
I do not know what and good at all
really strong personalities that I could
meet
there was the game whatever and there
had a lot of je ne sais quoi
at micheline calmy rey at their dear
Madam President in Switzerland
it’s all the more difficult to be
like that not in switzerland i think that
you know modesty it’s a
very popular value and when I entered
in office as minister of affairs
foreign is federal councilor me
I did not want modesty for my country
I wanted my country to shine on the
international scene that he can
properly defend his interests and
so when a head passes a little
little in Switzerland we give him shots of
hammer on the head to make it
get into the rank so that ‘s
actually not been easy to get out
daily train
you have received a lot of blows they
did not hurt a lot not bad but you
have walked on many feet I
do not know I tried to target
objectives that corresponded to the interests
from my country and I took the measures
necessary to do this and that’s right
that it was not always easy
that’s true but I think it’s
important to be able to because that
is not worth being elected and
to occupy executive positions at the
state level
if it’s to do what we all do
predecessors there is need to
adapt to the movements of the time there
must adapt to what is happening in the
world
when one is a business minister
to defend
interests of his country
get out of the box
this is the case for you this is the case
often our interlocutors men
of state where the heads of state have what we
calls for language elements that have
been prepared even where their team and
their team
and sometimes they come out you’re face
in Gaddafi for example Switzerland has some
hostages there you are under the tent there
there are several representatives from europe
he is provoking you ben yes he is provoking me
because it was the end of a long
process where we at the swiss played a
little relationship of power with the union
European to try to get out
the hostages and then we were there
in a meeting of forgiveness a place
completely this realistic a tent in
full town of tripoli and there was there
about sixty people from the chiefs
of state like berlusconi
berlusconi president others and me
I was very small I was
the only woman in the whole meeting
and then after several jokes a little
sexist salacious between these gentlemen do not
you do not have them attack me
he turns to me and he tells me you
come from where i said i come from geneva
yes but then that should not exist
Swiss Romande should belong to
France German-speaking Switzerland should
belong to germany swiss
Italian should belong to Italy
and then there to our surprise
raise mister berlusconi
the first Italian and he says listen
leader that I will not let you say I
do not let you say a thing like that
and that was not at all in those
language disciplines he said that no
me during the war
my family and I have been
welcomed in Switzerland we stayed
three years in swiss switzerland is a
country of peace and welcome
so please do not talk about it
like that and it was finished and you
even you do not make yourself so small
that it’s pretty rare you’re done
small in reality it happens to me there by
example in the tent I made myself
he invites you to eat mechoui
what did you answer to her?
choose I can not I have to bring back
montage in Switzerland then a sandwich
willingly mrs el mechri I can not and
you brought him back the hostage he was brought
after a few more adventures but we
ended up bringing it back and that was a
very moving moment because in
this whole thing it was not a
case that were very important
for foreign policy interests
but it was important because there
had the life of two hostages at stake and
for all those who have
busy with this case every time
that we had that we had
take a decision
it was truly a weighing with respect
to the life of the hostages which is a red
I existed very difficult then the
when we brought back the last hostage
we all cried
you are facing vladimir poutine there
so everyone starts to get out of his
frame in reality he begins to draw
the city I was seeing it in 2007 because
that like every year the president
swiss goes to see the Russian president in has
relationships that will be good game that
I would qualify as two good general
and then I’m going to see him and then it was
the time when Switzerland was making the
defender of the independence of Kosovo and
so here too attack me saying it’s
a stupidity that it was going to serve as
previous that it was not necessary to defend
the independence of kosovo
I’m just pointing out that with the
crimea he did exactly the same
thing but then he changed his mind
in short, let’s move on
I argue he argues we stayed
three hours together
he ended up getting excited because that’s
someone who is very emotional
so he pulled out a big notebook like
that and then began to draw the
situation prevailing towards georgia
to kosovo this whole region of
Balkans
and then he started drawing at
explain the geostrategic situation of
the place and he put himself the way
he presented things we could
almost predict the Georgia war that
is that happened a year later
you say emotional poutine he’s playing
his emotions obviously he’s fine
sometimes that’s the job too
we remember in in clinton by
example that was at united nations here he
leads into halls and he hailed
like that here and there and it’s everybody
is a bit surprised in Switzerland because
that had people and it’s a trick of
americans obviously completely
surface is false for the air
to have 7 to look nice and to
make beautiful smiles cathedral and
you do it naturally but I
greet people when I see them
true june when there is not that you
happened you two overplayed anger
precisely to always go out
language elements to go push
a little further
it happened to me to be very angry
especially rigor especially with
sir juncker
because sir because it’s not nice
one and a half seconds of the
Swiss
in any case I do not think they
love a lot and I had
problems with him we had completed the
negotiations on the taxation of
spared the
last shutter finally everything was settled and
sir juncker who was then prime
Minister to the Minister of Finance of the
luxembourg dealing as soon as swiss
had gotten more than the member states
which was part of luxembourg then
he disagreed
he wanted to reopen the negotiations and
we ended up on the sidelines of a
event in zurich
and there really we fought but
really berate more and more in a
where we were not supposed to have
from the public but where there were people
who ended up gathering around
we do not look at us
English and sometimes you have to know
show the teeth when really there is
people who exaggerate me I am I
I’m always here I’ve always been
very committed to the defense of my country
i have always been very proud of being south
but then when I get matched on
feet and that I represent the swiss there
I come really nasty from the doubs is
does that come this pellet form
daring many of us are afraid
and fear is often a good counselor
to not fall into the grain of madness
provocation and so on they are afraid in
Permanently a fear of angering their leaders
their friends their cousins ​​etc
you often did not give
the impression of not being scared
comes from where
oh listen I can not say that because
it’s true that always it is
not always very very nice one of
have to be a bit aggressive with
someone it’s not it’s not
frankly the situation that I prefer
but when you have to do it there is
sometimes it’s necessary to do it
because if you do not do it you
you do not respect so to a
moment you have to go
then we have to see the objective also he
always have to see the lens if it’s
necessary to achieve a goal
to convince the other to tell him
listen to it go not you can not we
treat this way there is some
respect to a country even if
we are not a great power
in short, what do I say?
but if we have a little sometimes bad
belly it happened to you before him
of course you give the impression of being
in Teflon just before entering
on stage I drank Verdots
I was a bit nervous
normal person or not at all you
were there common and I always have you
observed like that but it does not mean
because I do not show that I do not have
to huy you talk about your origins
Valaisanne this side very hard to bad it
served you
well maybe it’s a legacy yes
because our ancestors but it’s not
own valere I think of all of Switzerland
our ancestors had conditions
difficult it was not easy for them
some had to emigrate to earn
the money was not obvious and
today we are a rich country
may have forgotten his origins
hard-working and economical peasants
but there may still be some left
something sometimes
what advice do you have students
today I heard you talking
just now with the students you
tell them just no longer talk
English German once started with
Russian or Chinese but I do not know
what is it that makes us
simply actually to be a
folder among 200 or 500 or 1000 it’s
what for the students it is difficult
today I think it may be
more difficult than it was for my
generation
because you are competing and
especially in the field where I teach
that of international relations
when a position is released in a
international organization or in a
ong
there are 600 candidates so it’s really
very very hard you have to try to find
the cough that makes you go beyond
it’s a bit like Switzerland on the
international scene we live in a
interdependent world and if we want
to be able to defend our interests
do you have to work with your friends
and for you it’s the same thing you need
work with your assets that means
that you have to learn a language
difficult because English the
french german everybody me
speak so that’s natural on the other hand
if you want to be active whether it’s in
Switzerland or elsewhere you need
to master a number of languages
a little more a little bit more difficult and
then we have to try to go after
your specialization show that you are
good in your field and I know it
there is a lot of competition
and it’s a lot harder
today for you and especially a
exercise like this one learn to
talk to take to convince learn
to have dialogues with people and
try to because fear that you
paralyze what I mean somewhere
so that’s the experience is there the
practice that can get you out of
you even go beyond your fears and
can convince
and then have a good job and then
have fun in what you do
and to feel in adequacy with you
even you have to go tell you even when
we are afraid we have to go
well you have to have some wii a
certain courage it must be because
that if not if you sit in
your couch in the era of novels
police
it’s not going to do it they’re coming to
when we are out of date
I mean there is always more
daring whether it’s a moment one
was talking about a little girl who is more
on the left that you possible
yes yes it’s very easy and then
hold good anyway
we are we learn we learn to him
we learn in the trade with the
others in my teaching at
the university I organize simulations
negotiations we learn to listen to one
who is in front to put himself in his place at
arguing and defending one’s positions
and that I find it very very important
for your future life
thank you micheline calmy rey ​​thank you
[Applause]
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