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The battle between nature and nurture | Irene Gallego Romero | TEDxNTU


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I’m here today to talk to you guys about

jeans and when I say jeans I don’t mean

that I don’t mean the jeans you’re

wearing but rather the jeans you’re

carrying your DNA so to start off I

thought we’d talk really quickly about

some things you might have heard about

your jeans that you’re wondering about

first of all you might have heard that

you share 99% of them with chimpanzees

which are closest living relative and

that is absolutely true you might have

also heard that there is less DNA in you

in each of your cells then there is an

in those of a humble onion and that is

also true

and lastly who amongst you hasn’t heard

on TV or read on Facebook or on any

other sources that scientists have

discovered the gene for things like

crime or maybe autism or cancer or

beauty or attraction or really any other

number of traits

well I’m gonna tell you something and

that’s something is that that is wrong

and I’m gonna tell you why

so these days it’s really really

fashionable to attribute all kinds of

phenomenal powers to our DNA so the

degree that you might start to wonder if

there’s really any reason in trying to

fight your genetic testing what makes

you you and makes me me is the argument

goes innate it’s something you’re born

with it’s your DNA and you know some of

you might actually find that comforting

because if you’re destined to gain

weight no matter what then you might as

well enjoy yourself at lunch and stop

feeling guilty about it you know why try

to fight this everybody knows you can’t

actually win against your DNA but is

that really true you know is your DNA

really all that powerful and this is a

question you might have asked yourself

before and it’s indeed a question you

might have heard of before because it

has been referred to for a long time as

the question of nature versus nurture

okay so sometimes it’s very true that

there is nothing you can do against your

DNA and let me give you a pretty

sobering example and instead of

Huntington’s disease it is a terrible

terrible disease

one in which the cells in your brain

become down

and slowly die and so you will rapidly

lose your ability to control both their

body on your mind and there’s a cease

for which there is endure treatment nor

cure it is also a fully genetic disease

all it takes is a single damaged copy of

a single gene if you have that copy you

will get the disease it is unavoidable

but not all diseases and not all traits

in fact behave like this just because

one of your parents had cancer does not

mean that you two necessarily will have

cancer even though you inherited half of

your DNA from that parent and the same

is true in fact of many traits traits

like height and weight and even

intelligence and also of complex

diseases of things like diabetes or

heart disease for instance you could be

the child of the tallest two people on

earth but if you were malnourished as an

infant it is extremely unlikely that you

will be as tall as they are so sometimes

your life experiences Trump your genes

nice and easy

sometimes nurture wins and in fact if

you look back fifty years a hundred

years ago you’ll find that most

philosophers strongly denied that nature

had any role in shaping humans the only

thing that mattered was nurture the only

thing that matter was experience nothing

about humans was innate now both of

those positions are actually rather

extreme if you stop to think about it

for a second you’ll realize that

sometimes when nature and nurture when

DNA and experience fight the winner is

really easy to predict for instance you

can wish all you want for six fingers if

you are not born with six fingers you

will never have them I’m really sorry to

disappoint you on the other hand just

because you cannot speak German today

there is nothing in your DNA at all that

says that you cannot learn it if you

start studying it tomorrow

so yes sometimes the questions can are

easy to answer sometimes those are

simple answers but simple answers are

though they are really really tempting

or most of the time not right

and in fact complex problems are far

more common and to me far more

interesting than simple ones so I want

to tell you a story about my doctoral

work so when I was a graduate student

I’m a human evolutionary geneticist and

what that means is like that I’m really

interested in something what bits of our

DNA make us human and that it and how

they do so and when I was a graduate

student I focused on this bit of DNA

here and why this one well it’s clearly

not very obvious from the sequence and

in fact the reason is something you

might not expect at all because the

reason is milk that’s right

milk so milk is a really complex

substance it contains all kinds of

things but the one I’m really interested

in is this molecule here called lactose

lactose is a sugar just like the glucose

that your doctor tells you and your

parents and your grandparents to keep an

eye out so you don’t get diabetes or

like the fructose that makes fruits

taste sweet but lactose has phone almost

exclusively in milk when you drink milk

it makes its way down your gut into your

stomach

where your body recognizes it breaks it

down and uses it to make energy to fuel

itself and you might remember from

school that our mammals from seals to

pigs to lions they all make milk to feed

their babies and in fact baby sheep baby

gorillas baby sea otters they all rely

on their mothers to nourish them with

milk at the beginning of life but

something happens to all of these

adorable animals when they grow up under

you and that is that they lose the

ability to digest lactose they can no

longer break it down even kittens so you

can feed an adorable kitten a saucer of

milk he will of course drink it and lap

it up and he will be the happiest kid

thing you’ve ever seen probably but if

you feel a grown car a saucer of milk he

might drink it yes in fact I can tell

you they will drink it but believe me

when I tell you they’re not digesting

that lactose they are not breaking it

down I have cats at home so again

believe me when I tell you that I have

seen and I have smelled and I have

cleaned up proof

the fact that they are not digesting the

lactose the only exception to this is

some but this is extremely important not

all humans so I am NOT a child I hope

you will agree although I can on the

less digest lactose very comfortably but

because we are in Singapore I feel

really comfortable saying that the vast

majority of you in this audience could

not go home right now drink a pint of

milk and not feel terrible for a while

that’s it if you don’t believe me if you

haven’t done this experiment please by

all means do it but don’t just drink oh

you know a little sip of milk or a

little pod of yogurt no no no no I want

you to go home and pour yourself a nice

tall glass of just plain cold milk nice

and full of lactose and my guess is that

you’re all gonna end up pretty annoyed

at me for having talked you into doing

that but you know how do I know this I

mean my job is not actually to go around

and ask animals how much they like milk

and I don’t know any of you so I really

don’t know if you like milk but how so

how am I so comfortable in my guess well

the answer is really simple

it’s that bit of DNA that I showed you

in fact it’s that little see the one in

red there that is something that I have

that most of you don’t and that’s

because it’s from primarily in people of

European descent you can see here in

this map which I took from some

colleagues new bunny telling his friends

where that little sea is most common in

popular in places like Britain and

Northern Europe and where it is least

common in the world which is pretty much

anywhere in blue you can also see that

it’s pretty much unseen east of India

which is the region I studied as a PhD

student that single see that tiny little

change gives me the ability to digest

digest lactose as an adult so on the

surface that would seem like a really

clear case for lactose or DNA winning

everything for DNA beating nurture again

right I mean a single difference and I

can do something you cannot you have

them so I have the mutation I can digest

lactose you don’t have it

you feel sick he’s closed right I mean

purely but actually let’s take a step

back because there is one thing missing

from this story that’s the milk where

does the milk come from you know that

bit is certainly not encoded by that

little C so the truth is yes I have a

mutation in my DNA that lets me digest

lactose if I don’t have access to cows

or to goat or to sheep or to camels or

to any other animal we can milk that

mutation is totally pointless being able

to digest milk is a totally pointless

ability if you have no access to milk

so maybe DNA is actually not that mighty

and let me give you another example this

one is a bit more somber but I think

you’ll see what I’m what I mean

so here on this figure you can see on

this graph you can see how common it was

for American men to die of different

types of cancer at different times in

the 20th century and I took this from a

study from the Cleveland Clinic in the

u.s. so the stats are for you u.s. men

as you can see most of the 20th century

the most common form of cancer has been

lung cancer which is the one that I’m

pointing to with a big red arrow over

cancer is a disease that is caused

fundamentally by damage to your DNA that

damages your body’s abilities to control

when and where your cells divide so in a

sense cancer is caused by your DNA so

here we are again DNA genetic destiny

but actually is that really true because

we all know that there is a recent

cancer has become so common in the past

50 60 70 years and it’s got nothing at

all to do with DNA what I’m talking

about of course is the rise of smoking

in fact if you look at the figure you’ll

see that lung cancer was pretty uncommon

in the u.s. until cigarettes became

widespread and while not everybody who

smokes

will get lung cancer and not everybody

who gets lung cancer is a smoker the

fact remains that smoking dramatically

damages the cells in your lungs and that

in turn dramatically increases your

chance

of getting cancer so then what causes

lung cancer is it nature is it DNA I

mean if we damage DNA we get cancer

maybe it’s actually nurture I mean

without smoking without damage to your

genes there is no cancer so if you don’t

smoke you don’t damage your genes you

don’t get cancer

so perhaps you see though where I’m

going with this because my question to

you today is actually well does this

really have to be a fight do we really

need to think of this as nature versus

nurture nature or nurture I think it’s

really really clear that actually it’s

nature and nurture because the truth is

that yes you have genes we all have

genes and these genes do all kinds of

things right but if you look at a single

gene what it tends to do tends to be

pretty small a single gene might do

something like make a protein that

breaks down lactose and in isolation

that’s not really striking you might say

to yourself that’s a fair criticism but

the beauty of the system is that genes

respond to each other a gene can react

to the product of another gene but even

more striking is the fact that genes not

only respond to each other they respond

to other things as well they respond to

the environment in which you live they

respond to the food you eat they respond

to the decisions you make well it’s

really really tempting to have a simple

answer to have some yes or no nature or

nurture

you might also even want someone to

blame in some situations the truces life

is quite messy that’s not how life works

life is really complicated so the next

time you see science you see a newspaper

headline that says Oh scientists have

discovered the gene for cancer again

please keep in mind that what that

article really means is that scientists

have discovered a gene for cancer that

is associated perhaps with higher

likelihood or even less likelihood of

getting cancer in a given environment

because the truth is there is no single

gene for cancer there are many genes

always many genes that control yes your

likelihood of getting cancer but also

things like your height your weight the

shape of your face the color of your

skin even the lightly

of you suffering from major depression

at some point in your life okay but

without the wrong environment likelihood

and chances is all they will ever be and

so I want to leave you with this final

thought despite what you might have

heard before you are not the

battleground upon which nature and

nurture fight no no no absolutely not

you are the canvas upon which they

collaborate you are the product of their

interactions [Applause]

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