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welcome to mojo talks and this is watch
club the show will be breakdown the
biggest stories on TV I am your host and
today I am joined by Rebecca the most
famous voice-over artist at WatchMojo so
Rebecca thanks for joining thank you and
if you guys are watching the show then
you want a big recap on Westworld season
2 episode 4 the riddle of the Sphinx
which was written by Gina Atwater and
Jonathan Nolan and directed by
showrunner Lisa joy it was her
directorial debut and a lot of people
are actually calling this perhaps the
best episode of the series that’s high
praise it is very high praise yeah there
are a lot of reveals in this one lots of
big happenings I don’t even know where
to start
it’s pretty crazy yeah yeah um but let’s
start with our favorite moments so I
think I speak for both of us when when I
say the scenes with William and his
stepdad were pretty amazing yeah
especially the in in my opinion the
opening scene where it’s just the camera
above the record player to start and
then does a full 360 pen or office
record players we’re bringing them back
yeah whatever year this is hey vintage
is cool I guess and it was like very
modern and retro look yeah but that’s
besides the point
it’s very cool like 360 shot and what
really that’s something that reminded me
of season 1 was basically the
interactions with William it was like
the same thing over and over again and
it reminded me a lot of season 1 when
the when the show first started that the
days seem to happen exactly the same way
too so I thought that was pretty
interesting what did you like about the
opening scenes the most well I liked see
well I just enjoyed kind of seeing him
bird’s eye view fly on the wall where he
was like dancing and just talking about
his day alone
I also thought it was really interesting
okay let’s bear with me is suffering the
key to consciousness for the hosts okay
and the reason I asked that is because
for the Delos robot host to not
malfunction did William have to tell him
all this bad stuff like I’m your
daughter’s dead you know your son yeah
everybody’s dead your wife’s dead and
you know what I mean yeah so and then
after that he kind of got out of the
stuttering and I mean he started tearing
up the room yeah apart from not being
able to put words together it was like
them it was very human reaction yeah
yeah so was that the key to getting him
over that Plateau that they were talking
very interesting is very engine I just
want to point out also just how evil
William comes across in in those scenes
too you know I think he’s a big bad but
that’s a whole other story that’s that’s
it it’s interesting you say that because
I have I want to mention something later
on in the show where he there’s there’s
a good team a good deed that some are
calling so we’ll talk about that wait um
can I just say I’m also wondering what
disease dillos had because they never
say it let’s see we were talking about
this backstage before I just assumed it
was cancer but it probably goes a bit
deeper than that
yeah yeah because like would he have
defunded cancer research and whatever
year this is it’s very possible but I
think the main gist of that it totally
went over my head but the main gist of
that is to tell the audience like hey
this is a disease that we’re not very it
does also you wanted to talk about this
I was very happy yes oh you’re swearing
in the show and we’re gonna be happy
about it yeah what were they building
here if not host same hardware
the codes different the language not
code at all not really yeah I feel like
she took Bernard being a host like
really well she’s just like damn okay
let’s do this yeah especially
considering that he tried to kill her
but I think I mean they always had a
great relationship and I think she
understands the fact that Ford had so
much influence on everything in the park
so I think I think they’re good but I
mean Bernards lying to her right off the
bat you know he remembers feeling all
these people doesn’t tell her so that’s
interesting so the the man in blacks
good deed we spoke about a little bit
before that was one of my favorite
moments just because those flashback
scenes of him with with mr. Dell oh so
you just see like you can see him
transforming kind of into like this bad
evil person that he eventually becomes
in the man in black but the good deed is
when his his friend is kidnapped by the
Confederate OHS and he forces his wife
to walk over with that little shot of
nitro I just love that he’s like you
know what what I’m doing it might not be
the best thing it might be pretty bad
and I’m not gonna let my friend die here
or to have his wife kill him because it
kind of reminded him reminded him
exactly his own daughter yeah yeah and I
liked the the whole forcing him to drink
the Nitro shooting him in the head and
his head exploding because a little dark
but it’s HBO has to be violent and it
reminded me of season one when they fill
those dead bodies with all that nitro
and they put him on like the wagon send
the wagon on down shoots it explosion so
it was a nice little call back to season
one I said he should have killed that
guy is basically yes yeah totally and
I’ll mention this you’d predicted it I
predicted it I think a lot of people
predicted it but yes the mystery woman
is don’tdon’t uh Williams daughter so
yeah big surprise I was pretty happy
that it happened because it’s gonna push
the story along very well
hi dad okay so we’re gonna talk about
some of the things the audience might
have missed I think we miss a lot but
these are at least things we caught that
we should tell the audience so the
double hexagons they made another
appearance tonight the first time we saw
it was in the season premiere it was
with Bernard and Charlotte in that
bunker we see her at the computer and
there’s like interlocking hexagons we
didn’t really pay any attention to it
but then when Williams daughter shows up
she has that little book so she’s a very
secretive of it she opens it up and on
the map she has that little thing drawn
on and again today Bernard is with Elsie
and they find the secret bunker in that
cave and as they enter there’s a big
like silver sliding door and on it the
hexagons are there with the the number
12 in the middle and I mean we’re we
assume that it’s bunker number 12 and
it’s part of this whole experiment for
immortality perhaps has something to do
with that you can’t yes but we’ll let
you talk about it I’m just gonna I’m
gonna tease it a little bit so I think
some people might have missed that I
think as the show goes on it’s gonna be
a bit more obvious but remember that
guys so yeah and that’s basically what I
think you’re the audience missed what
about you well so you know that part
where they’re with the ghost nation and
there’s that couple and she’s like oh
you had to have your you know your yeah
fantasy experience well that’s the same
couple that was in the pilot I think
where they you know that guy shot
armistice maybe and they were they were
doing Lee’s kind of storyline and they
just kind of went to me and we was
waiting for that speech to happen and
then they yeah yeah yeah so it’s the
same couple which indicates to me that
the time in the timeline that the were
there with the ghost nation and the
pilot are not actually that far apart
because they’re still at the heart oh
that’s so true so weird
yeah and they’re still in the costume –
yeah yeah good point like I don’t know
what that means but it means something I
mean something and you know that’s a
little bit
more clarity when it comes to the
timeline anyways because especially with
Bernard his head’s all jumbled up you’re
not exactly sure what’s the present
what’s the past or the future it’s all
mixed up that’s the Maris try to draw
this and I would really feel so would I
I definitely saw it I yeah who said
anything about a good deed
you wanted me to play your game I’m
gonna play to the bone okay so now we’re
at the big part of the show I’m scared
the predictions the predictions it’s
always a little scary to bring them up
but we’re gonna do it anyways we have to
so mine is the shows has talked about
the hive mind before and how hosts
sometimes shares so hive is the shape of
a hexagon Wham
mind blown what does that mean I know oh
my god I need to change my prediction
here right now that’s pretty crazy I
know okay but the shows talked about
hive mind how hosts kind of share same
idea ideas and stuff like that
so my prediction is that Ford we’ve seen
them talk to William throughout this
this season so far never as Ford well
once is little little child Ford and
then as other children characters and
stuff like that they’re all kids
yeah it’s very interesting but the idea
I think most of the audience thinks it’s
just kind of like a program programmed
into these hosts that are just there to
kind of give William hints or just to
like tease him a little bit but what I
think it’s not a program I think that
that he has perfected the whole
immortality thing I’ll let you talk
about a little bit too I won’t steal
your prediction but I think he’s kind of
mastered this and has implanted his
consciousness into many hosts around the
park so that he can kind of live forever
and I think you know I think that’s it
okay so my prediction also has to do
with that like consciousness marble what
yeah oh that little red yeah I feel like
there’s an actual name for it but I
don’t know what it is yeah anyway so
originally my theory was Ford was but
then I’m like that’s kind of boring it
doesn’t really open up any you know any
any of you have yeah so let’s say the
man in black what does that mean what do
tell yeah okay so either the man in
black is a host and doesn’t know it or
he’s a human host hybrid and he’s part
of the experiment the so he’s succeeding
we’re dillos failed okay
there and Ford’s narrative is the man in
blacks trial run to see how long his
body lasts and what it’s capable of okay
and then if it works they can officially
delos can officially get into the
immortality biz oh my god my draw I know
and then dropped even and then maybe
Delos had been a no maybe Ford had been
sabotaging the Delos experience so will
William wouldn’t know so that he
wouldn’t know when he was a host that he
was a host yeah there’s a lot of layers
to this and then Wow Williams daughter
keeps coming back to the park to check
on him okay that would explain why she’s
there also knows that they’re gathering
data so she doesn’t wanna sleep with
hosts and I think of yes and that’s also
why she would know these hexagonal labs
for lack of a better term at this point
very interesting yeah Wow and all tears
yeah and it all ties into the show’s
theme of legacy which can be summed up
in a quote from today this week’s
episode you only live as long as the
last person who remembers you did Wow um
I’m pretty sure you blew a lot of our
audience minds with that pretty ma’am
there’s a lot of layers today so guys
thanks for watching if you like this
please tune back Monday again we do this
every Monday for Westworld
and we do it offer a lot of other TV
stuff too so please subscribe to mojo
talks and we’ll see you next time
bye for now so that’s our breakdown what
do you guys think let us know in the
comments below check out our other
episodes here and some of your other favorite shows right here
favorite shows check out our new show
watch club where we break down shows
like West world and some of your other
favorites enjoy
welcome to mojo talks and this is watch
club the show will be breakdown the
biggest stories on TV I am your host and
today I am joined by Rebecca the most
famous voice-over artist at WatchMojo so
Rebecca thanks for joining thank you and
if you guys are watching the show then
you want a big recap on Westworld season
2 episode 4 the riddle of the Sphinx
which was written by Gina Atwater and
Jonathan Nolan and directed by
showrunner Lisa joy it was her
directorial debut and a lot of people
are actually calling this perhaps the
best episode of the series that’s high
praise it is very high praise yeah there
are a lot of reveals in this one lots of
big happenings I don’t even know where
to start
it’s pretty crazy yeah yeah um but let’s
start with our favorite moments so I
think I speak for both of us when when I
say the scenes with William and his
stepdad were pretty amazing yeah
especially the in in my opinion the
opening scene where it’s just the camera
above the record player to start and
then does a full 360 pen or office
record players we’re bringing them back
yeah whatever year this is hey vintage
is cool I guess and it was like very
modern and retro look yeah but that’s
besides the point
it’s very cool like 360 shot and what
really that’s something that reminded me
of season 1 was basically the
interactions with William it was like
the same thing over and over again and
it reminded me a lot of season 1 when
the when the show first started that the
days seem to happen exactly the same way
too so I thought that was pretty
interesting what did you like about the
opening scenes the most well I liked see
well I just enjoyed kind of seeing him
bird’s eye view fly on the wall where he
was like dancing and just talking about
his day alone
I also thought it was really interesting
okay let’s bear with me is suffering the
key to consciousness for the hosts okay
and the reason I asked that is because
for the Delos robot host to not
malfunction did William have to tell him
all this bad stuff like I’m your
daughter’s dead you know your son yeah
everybody’s dead your wife’s dead and
you know what I mean yeah so and then
after that he kind of got out of the
stuttering and I mean he started tearing
up the room yeah apart from not being
able to put words together it was like
them it was very human reaction yeah
yeah so was that the key to getting him
over that Plateau that they were talking
very interesting is very engine I just
want to point out also just how evil
William comes across in in those scenes
too you know I think he’s a big bad but
that’s a whole other story that’s that’s
it it’s interesting you say that because
I have I want to mention something later
on in the show where he there’s there’s
a good team a good deed that some are
calling so we’ll talk about that wait um
can I just say I’m also wondering what
disease dillos had because they never
say it let’s see we were talking about
this backstage before I just assumed it
was cancer but it probably goes a bit
deeper than that
yeah yeah because like would he have
defunded cancer research and whatever
year this is it’s very possible but I
think the main gist of that it totally
went over my head but the main gist of
that is to tell the audience like hey
this is a disease that we’re not very it
does also you wanted to talk about this
I was very happy yes oh you’re swearing
in the show and we’re gonna be happy
about it yeah what were they building
here if not host same hardware
the codes different the language not
code at all not really yeah I feel like
she took Bernard being a host like
really well she’s just like damn okay
let’s do this yeah especially
considering that he tried to kill her
but I think I mean they always had a
great relationship and I think she
understands the fact that Ford had so
much influence on everything in the park
so I think I think they’re good but I
mean Bernards lying to her right off the
bat you know he remembers feeling all
these people doesn’t tell her so that’s
interesting so the the man in blacks
good deed we spoke about a little bit
before that was one of my favorite
moments just because those flashback
scenes of him with with mr. Dell oh so
you just see like you can see him
transforming kind of into like this bad
evil person that he eventually becomes
in the man in black but the good deed is
when his his friend is kidnapped by the
Confederate OHS and he forces his wife
to walk over with that little shot of
nitro I just love that he’s like you
know what what I’m doing it might not be
the best thing it might be pretty bad
and I’m not gonna let my friend die here
or to have his wife kill him because it
kind of reminded him reminded him
exactly his own daughter yeah yeah and I
liked the the whole forcing him to drink
the Nitro shooting him in the head and
his head exploding because a little dark
but it’s HBO has to be violent and it
reminded me of season one when they fill
those dead bodies with all that nitro
and they put him on like the wagon send
the wagon on down shoots it explosion so
it was a nice little call back to season
one I said he should have killed that
guy is basically yes yeah totally and
I’ll mention this you’d predicted it I
predicted it I think a lot of people
predicted it but yes the mystery woman
is don’tdon’t uh Williams daughter so
yeah big surprise I was pretty happy
that it happened because it’s gonna push
the story along very well
hi dad okay so we’re gonna talk about
some of the things the audience might
have missed I think we miss a lot but
these are at least things we caught that
we should tell the audience so the
double hexagons they made another
appearance tonight the first time we saw
it was in the season premiere it was
with Bernard and Charlotte in that
bunker we see her at the computer and
there’s like interlocking hexagons we
didn’t really pay any attention to it
but then when Williams daughter shows up
she has that little book so she’s a very
secretive of it she opens it up and on
the map she has that little thing drawn
on and again today Bernard is with Elsie
and they find the secret bunker in that
cave and as they enter there’s a big
like silver sliding door and on it the
hexagons are there with the the number
12 in the middle and I mean we’re we
assume that it’s bunker number 12 and
it’s part of this whole experiment for
immortality perhaps has something to do
with that you can’t yes but we’ll let
you talk about it I’m just gonna I’m
gonna tease it a little bit so I think
some people might have missed that I
think as the show goes on it’s gonna be
a bit more obvious but remember that
guys so yeah and that’s basically what I
think you’re the audience missed what
about you well so you know that part
where they’re with the ghost nation and
there’s that couple and she’s like oh
you had to have your you know your yeah
fantasy experience well that’s the same
couple that was in the pilot I think
where they you know that guy shot
armistice maybe and they were they were
doing Lee’s kind of storyline and they
just kind of went to me and we was
waiting for that speech to happen and
then they yeah yeah yeah so it’s the
same couple which indicates to me that
the time in the timeline that the were
there with the ghost nation and the
pilot are not actually that far apart
because they’re still at the heart oh
that’s so true so weird
yeah and they’re still in the costume –
yeah yeah good point like I don’t know
what that means but it means something I
mean something and you know that’s a
little bit
more clarity when it comes to the
timeline anyways because especially with
Bernard his head’s all jumbled up you’re
not exactly sure what’s the present
what’s the past or the future it’s all
mixed up that’s the Maris try to draw
this and I would really feel so would I
I definitely saw it I yeah who said
anything about a good deed
you wanted me to play your game I’m
gonna play to the bone okay so now we’re
at the big part of the show I’m scared
the predictions the predictions it’s
always a little scary to bring them up
but we’re gonna do it anyways we have to
so mine is the shows has talked about
the hive mind before and how hosts
sometimes shares so hive is the shape of
a hexagon Wham
mind blown what does that mean I know oh
my god I need to change my prediction
here right now that’s pretty crazy I
know okay but the shows talked about
hive mind how hosts kind of share same
idea ideas and stuff like that
so my prediction is that Ford we’ve seen
them talk to William throughout this
this season so far never as Ford well
once is little little child Ford and
then as other children characters and
stuff like that they’re all kids
yeah it’s very interesting but the idea
I think most of the audience thinks it’s
just kind of like a program programmed
into these hosts that are just there to
kind of give William hints or just to
like tease him a little bit but what I
think it’s not a program I think that
that he has perfected the whole
immortality thing I’ll let you talk
about a little bit too I won’t steal
your prediction but I think he’s kind of
mastered this and has implanted his
consciousness into many hosts around the
park so that he can kind of live forever
and I think you know I think that’s it
okay so my prediction also has to do
with that like consciousness marble what
yeah oh that little red yeah I feel like
there’s an actual name for it but I
don’t know what it is yeah anyway so
originally my theory was Ford was but
then I’m like that’s kind of boring it
doesn’t really open up any you know any
any of you have yeah so let’s say the
man in black what does that mean what do
tell yeah okay so either the man in
black is a host and doesn’t know it or
he’s a human host hybrid and he’s part
of the experiment the so he’s succeeding
we’re dillos failed okay
there and Ford’s narrative is the man in
blacks trial run to see how long his
body lasts and what it’s capable of okay
and then if it works they can officially
delos can officially get into the
immortality biz oh my god my draw I know
and then dropped even and then maybe
Delos had been a no maybe Ford had been
sabotaging the Delos experience so will
William wouldn’t know so that he
wouldn’t know when he was a host that he
was a host yeah there’s a lot of layers
to this and then Wow Williams daughter
keeps coming back to the park to check
on him okay that would explain why she’s
there also knows that they’re gathering
data so she doesn’t wanna sleep with
hosts and I think of yes and that’s also
why she would know these hexagonal labs
for lack of a better term at this point
very interesting yeah Wow and all tears
yeah and it all ties into the show’s
theme of legacy which can be summed up
in a quote from today this week’s
episode you only live as long as the
last person who remembers you did Wow um
I’m pretty sure you blew a lot of our
audience minds with that pretty ma’am
there’s a lot of layers today so guys
thanks for watching if you like this
please tune back Monday again we do this
every Monday for Westworld
and we do it offer a lot of other TV
stuff too so please subscribe to mojo
talks and we’ll see you next time
bye for now so that’s our breakdown what
do you guys think let us know in the
comments below check out our other
episodes here and some of your other favorite shows right here
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