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Defining Successful Mentorship | Kevin Frick | TEDxJHUDC


thank you

and thank you for inviting me to speak

this morning so I’m gonna pose a

question this morning and the question

is how do i define successful mentoring

let me start by giving you a short

answer to that question the short answer

is successful mentoring to me is making

a commitment to help someone that will

be translated into a help for others

down the line and what I want to do is I

want to tell you ten short stories about

people that I’ve mentored to illustrate

how this occurs some of my words some of

their words sometimes the words of

others to tell these stories and then

tie it together with what this all means

so let me begin since I’m the vice dean

for education at the Carey Business

School I wanted to start by talking

about an MBA student am i mentoring with

this MBA student emerged organically

over time and it wasn’t even planned

Taylor was a full-time MBA student in

our program and she was the student of

my health care financing class she also

helped to run a one-day activity for

middle school and high school students

through the University’s Center for

talented youth and those students might

be interested in business so a year ago

she finally landed her dream job and at

the end of the year I was sending notes

to people about my most memorable

experience with them during 2016 and I

said to Taylor the most memorable thing

with you this year was being invited to

your departure dinner from Baltimore she

wrote back telling me that that was one

of the most thoughtful notes anyone had

ever written to her and she said that’s

not all in my experience when I was

looking for a job and I had turned one

position down and having a hard time you

not only invited me to networking

breakfasts

like what you see here but you also

stayed on top of my job search process

and really helped me you offered me

advice one piece of advice I offered was

you know Taylor I’ve known lots of

people who have taken a long time to

find their first job and usually when

they finally find it after that waiting

they’re happy because they love the job

that they found so it’s okay and she

said that I had made her feel like she

wasn’t a loser which was how she was

feeling at the time and they had given

her confidence back now I know whether I

deserve all that much credit for what I

did which just seemed like it was

natural thing to do

but I appreciated her recognition of the

difference that I’d made for her when I

was talking with Taylor about giving

this

today she said you also have to tell

them about what you’ve done for Lauren

it’s not any much encouragement to talk

about Lauren Lauren is a young attorney

I met Lauren a number of years ago and

for the past four years week in and week

out we’ve run together almost every week

for an hour at a time

and during that time we spend a whole

lot of time talking about all kinds of

things in life and what started out as

just a fun running friendship has turned

into true mentorship I’ve invited her to

networking breakfasts she’s come and

seen how I’ve just Liat led my life and

as a parent as a professor as someone in

the community and I’ve had the

opportunity to introduce her to people

like say another parent on the hockey

team who’s also an attorney and help

Lauren see what might come next so

Taylor is not the only one who’s told me

how important I am in helping Lauren I

introduced Lauren to a colleague they

went out to one of the best ice cream

shops and Baltimore and had a

conversation colleague tells me

afterwards it’s clear how much your

relationship matters to learn and it’s a

gift

Carlin mother said that she appreciated

how much I was there for Lauren and how

Lauren appreciated my coming to see her

law school graduation and being sworn in

to the State Bar Lauren herself when I

introduced her to someone is someone

with whom I run she quickly added and on

someone who Kevin Mentors

and on the day she got sworn in to the

bar she introduced me to the judge for

whom she’s clerking and said this is one

of my mentors that repeated introduction

as mentor meant an awful lot to me to

hear how important that was and it

really made true that it’s in giving

that I received something back now

Lara’s not the only one who’s introduced

me as mentor in a way that meant a lot

to me

this is Kelsey I met Kelsey when she was

in high school she’s a flute player she

left for college in the fall of 2014 and

I’ve seen her just twice since then most

recent time just before the new year

this year and I saw her play at a

benefit concert I went up to talk Terry

afterwards and she introduced me saying

Kevin is one of the biggest mentors I’ve

ever had again that wasn’t how I got to

know her originally so that was very

meaningful to me and I responded with

her by email afterwards as she said you

know you’ve always supported me you’ve

been a great help and even though we

don’t see each other in person all it

often you still a very positive

influence on my life so that meant a lot

now it’s not only in my

personal life that I end up with

unplanned mentoring some of the people

who report directly to me I just manage

but this is Mindy and Mindy is someone

who I truly had a chance to mentor we’ve

each had numerous serendipitous turns in

our career that turned out for the

better and one of those turns brought us

together to work on the school’s

accreditation so two years day in and

day out we worked to get the school

ready for accreditation and we were

successful and at the end of that set of

activities I said to her you know Mindy

I’m glad I had a chance to work with you

and open up your eyes to all kinds of

things you might not have even seen in

your career before his new possibilities

and she appreciated the mentoring that

I’d provided as well one of the things

that I did was I forced a meeting with

someone who has a job similar to hers

but at the university level rather than

the school level and it wasn’t the first

time she met this person but we’ve got

to talk about big picture strategy what

might come next and we at least alluded

to mentoring now this other person

didn’t say of course I’ll mentor you

Mindy but afterwards I talked with Mindy

and I said you know go meet her a few

more times

see if she offers you advice see if what

might begin as an informal mentoring

could evolve into something as you go

along and Mindy appreciated getting that

advice recognizing that people don’t

always jump at the first opportunity to

mentor someone else I just hope I get to

continue working with her continuing

mentoring her and continue to find other

people who might meant to her so she can

be all that she aspires to be in her

career this is Elizabeth another

workplace example when I got promoted to

full professor when I was back at the

Bloomberg School of Public Health

I recognized they gave me great

mentoring when I was an assistant

professor great mentoring as an

associate professor but no mentoring

when you’re a full professor and so

Elizabeth and I talked to each other and

she was a couple years ahead of me in

her career he said you know maybe we

should be peer mentors so now we see

each other maybe just once or twice a

year in person for coffee or lunch but

we recognize that the other is no more

than a phone call away if we need advice

on something and we’ve done that

multiple times she’s helped me think

about what might be my next step after

vice dean and how might I get there and

I’ve helped her think about maybe she

doesn’t need to become the next thing

maybe she can just keep doing what she’s

doing now but do it better and in new

ways mentor more PhD students mentor

more junior faculty bring together

research

in different areas to make connections

that wouldn’t have been made before and

have her impact that way so those are

interesting relationships that emerged

organically sometimes relationships are

set up to be mentoring in the first

place this is Molly

Molly’s an undergraduate senior in the

economics department at Johns Hopkins

she was introduced to me by one of her

friends with a phrase like Kevin’s

somebody who’s always great to talk to

again a flattering way to be introduced

to someone and Molly and I have had a

couple in-person conversations the first

one was an hour she said here’s my set

of interest helped me think about this

and I did and then a couple months later

so I’m having an existential crisis I

don’t know what I’m gonna do after I

graduate we probably all felt that way

at some point and we talked and I set

her up to talk to one of my former PhD

students who is an economist working in

the real world and that helps her to get

an understanding of what do economists

really do once they have their degrees

recently she had a opportunity to

interview with a firm that actually

works in health economics she got the

job offer and it’s looking like she’s

going to move to Denver to take the job

so it was nice to be able to have that

impact now she’s not the only

undergraduate I mentor I mentor to

undergraduates at Penn State my

undergraduate alma mater

this is ramesha I first met Maurice at

Rome ISA when she was introduced on the

old Schreyer Honors College Dean’s

Facebook page started in Bangladesh came

to Penn State at one of their branch

campuses eventually moved to their main

campus she’s a biomedical engineering

major and I wrote her I found her in the

Penn State directory wrote a little

email to her said how are you doing now

that you’ve you know gotten all this

attention she said you know I’m still

having my ups and downs I said okay well

you know I can try to be an informal

mentor for you so for the last year

we’ve corresponded you know I’ve helped

her to remain confident about what’s

going to come next

I’ve helped her to see what

opportunities there may be with her

degree and she’s you know very happy to

have someone just bounce ideas off of

I’ve also introduced her to my other

undergraduate personal mentor and this

is marine marine was introduced to me

through a formal Honors College

mentoring process as an alumnus of the

Honors College and the first time I

talked to the range said you just make

me feel completely comfortable when I’m

talking to you again that’s a very

flattering statement to hear about

myself and I

she ate that feed back and she said she

had other mentors who hadn’t made her

feel that way in the six months or so

that we’ve been corresponding back and

forth I also did a Skype session with

her where I helped her anticipate what

types of questions she might get in her

interviews for her summer internships

that she’s gotten a couple offers from

those so again I am very glad that I was

able to make that difference now I have

a history of mentoring people in the

Schreyer Honors College and this is

Rachel Rachel is one of the first people

I ever mentored in the Schreyer Honors

College introduced to her in the fall of

2009 first time I met her in person I

was up at Penn State met her after a

class we’re walking to the ice cream

store on campus and she tells me I want

to be a bio behavioral health and music

composition double major and become a

physician so I have to admit I scratched

my head for a moment on that one and I

said so what do you want to do open up a

music therapy practice someday she kind

of chuckled at that and I said you know

I’m just trying to open your eyes to how

you might make connections in ways you

hadn’t thought about otherwise she

appreciated that and after many

discussions and many decisions she

actually evolved over time to take a job

at a professional organization that does

Health Services Research and policy

which is what I was doing when I met her

I didn’t force her down that path but I

was honored to serve as a guide as she

went down that path and evolved over

time and she appreciates the almost

eight years now that we’ve known each

other and the fact that I share back

with her all the things that I’ve

learned from her along the way as well

as helping to guide her in her decisions

I also want to talk about a one-off

mentoring relationship so I decided late

to run the Baltimore marathon in the

fall of 2016 I wanted one of these cool

crab medals that they were handing out

and so it was late enough in the process

that I wasn’t gonna train much harder

and I said I could probably run about

three hours and 30 minutes it was my

ninth marathon so Elizabeth is in a

running group that I’m in I knew it was

going to be her first I said Elizabeth

what time do you want to run she said

about 3:30 I said great I’m planning to

run that time do you want to run with me

and she said sure I’d love to have the

company so for three hours 28 minutes

and 26 seconds we ran side-by-side and

finished the marathon together and it

was humbling to think that I had helped

her not only to achieve her goal but

her goal that I’d haven’t done much

mentoring for her other net but I did

offer a four pieces of advice for the

race that I think are good pieces of

advice for mentoring in general don’t

start too fast once you’re comfortable

it’s okay to speed up work through those

hills in the middle of the race and when

you’re close to the finish you can’t

give up she appreciated both the advice

and the companionship during the run and

I said well do one thing for me then I

was paying forward somebody two years

earlier running with me for my best

marathon anybody ever asks you to run a

marathon with him return the favor so

I’d also like to share just a couple of

other facts about mentoring this is a

thank-you note from one of my last mph

students I shared with her five words

that were really motivating in my life

she bought me the stones with the words

on them and sent me a thank-you note

describing how she saw me live out each

of those words it was really touching to

have someone do that for me and reflect

on how she could see those words in her

own life I’ve also had a couple MBA

students tell me amazing things like you

said an example for me as I go on to

pursue my PhD or you’re a great

connector and clearly that’s helped you

in your career

and I have a junior research colleague

who told me that my support during her

time of uncertainty was sustaining for

her these are all just comments that you

know it’s helped me understand what it

means to be perceived as a good mentor

to others so how do I tie this all

together in a meaningful way

first thing is enthusiasm I think my

enthusiasm makes me more approachable as

a mentor I don’t just get excited about

mentoring when I’m up here giving a TEDx

talk I get excited about mentoring

whenever I talk about it it’s so

essential in my life that when I ran a

2-person marathon relay one time with

that last MPH student of mine we named

our team who’s the mentor because I had

mentored her in public health and she

had mentioned me about running I love it

when my mentees get a chance to meet

each other especially having introduced

from ISA and Noreen they sent me this

great picture of the two of them it’s

like probably exchanging notes about me

I’m not sure what they said but

hopefully good things and it’s just

really exciting to think about what

enthusiasm can do because I was at a

Carey women in business conversation

where somebody said well I actually had

to ask somebody to mention me one time

and it felt like asking somebody to prom

it shouldn’t feel that hard

if the person is really excited and

enthusiastic about mentoring second

characteristic and my successful

mentoring relationships is empathy I

think that empathy also helps to make me

approachable because I have a former

direct report to me who said you’re the

most empathetic supervisor I’ve ever had

don’t lose that characteristic and I

take that advice and that recognition to

heart empathy is something again makes

me more approachable because I’ve had my

own ups and downs I had and still have

massive uncertainties in my life and I’m

just human and I let my mentees know

that the third thing is curiosity okay

until I’m entered Lauren I didn’t know a

thing about being a law student or

taking the bar or being an attorney but

when you run with somebody every week

for their three years of law school you

learn an awful lot about being a law

student I didn’t know the first thing

about baroque flute until I mentored

Kelsey and I’ve learned things about

flute as well curiosity is key because

I’m not an expert in everything but I

think I can mentor pretty people pretty

well no matter what they’re doing but my

lifelong love of learning and my

curiosity gives me the opportunity to

learn about their passions and offer

them useful advice back then there’s

connections of course it helps to have

connections I gave the example of

setting Lauren up to talk with another

attorney who I know but I also like

dreaming up in making new connections

one of those networking breakfasts one

side of me I’ve got the student who said

you’re a great connector the other side

of me across the table I’ve got a

gentleman who’s working in a family

stabilization organization working with

Baltimore City Public Schools he says

you know I need some more managerial

skills maybe I should get an MBA well

just so happens that that former MBA

student is working for a local

not-for-profit that finds talent and

places it in other local not-for-profits

and she earned her MBA along the way I

said you two really ought to talk to

each other and so I can’t always finish

building the bridge but anytime there’s

an opportunity to build a bridge I like

to make sure I start and finally there’s

vulnerability I have to let myself be

vulnerable to be a good mentor I don’t

know whether everybody’s gonna like my

type of mentoring they might or might

not those who do are they going to take

every piece of advice I offer probably

not if they do is that always going to

work I can assure you it’s not

and even if it does work are they always

going to go to the direction that I

would have suggested again probably not

all of those things I can’t let bother

me the joy is in developing the

relationship the joy is in seeing that

they’re trying and the joy isn’t seeing

their success whatever that means

how do I tie this all together okay I

tie it all together with this statement

my successful mentoring experiences are

ones in which I commit myself to be

vulnerable and use my enthusiasm and

empathy as well as my curiosity and

connections to facilitate my mentees

development in the hope that she will do

the same for someone else in the future

or a lot more simply and where I began

commit to make a difference for one that

will be translated into a difference for

others what I want you to do with all

this couple things I’ve given you my

model for mentoring but I’m not saying

this is the model that’s going to work

for everybody but if you’re looking to

be a mentor or need mentoring think

about what is the model that works for

you when you figured out that model

recognize that not all mentoring

relationships need to be formal some of

the most exciting ones that I described

to you were the informal mentoring

relationships you’re at least ones who

started informally and recognized there

might be all kinds of people out there

who can help you even if you don’t label

them mentor sometimes you need to make

that transition from informal to formal

to make the mentoring more meaningful

and if you need to do that don’t be

afraid to ask somebody to take that next

step and formalize it and hopefully it

is easier than asking somebody to prom

and then finally whether it’s formal or

informal if you have people who have

helped to in your development and

advance your development tell them what

it means to you

because I can assure you it will be as

meaningful for them and they will feel

like they have received a gift as a gift

that they’ve given you through mentoring

thank you [Applause]

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