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Why using dog training psychology to train people makes sense | Graeme Hall | TEDxLeamingtonSpa


about an idea although I’m known for

fixing dog behavior and the behavior of

dog owners and what I’m gonna suggest is

that we rip up the rulebook and well use

dog training techniques to retrain

people okay I know that doesn’t sound

entirely politically correct but I’ve

been doing this stuff for quite a while

and it really works so I go all around

the country

I’m fixing dog behavior problems I’ve

worked with about 4,000 dogs so far the

dog father motto is any dog any age any

problem so that means I’ll take on any

case so I do see some quite severe cases

in fact so severe that I found myself in

a hospital operating theatre last year

when I nearly lost the full use of that

hand to fix even extreme problems like

that I used some really simple

psychological techniques that have been

around for about 100 years but they’ve

been largely forgotten I use the same

techniques in the National Health

Service to help nurses and therapists to

get better behavior from the people

around them so you can use this on

anyone so if you’d like to get more of

the behaviors that you’d like less of

the behaviors that you wouldn’t like

from people around you perhaps it’s that

next year then this is the talk for you

so let me tell you a little bit about my

background and I’ve not always been a

professional dog trainer so in fact I

never had a dog of my own until I was

about 40 so for the previous two decades

I’ve been running factories for a living

I left University 1980s with a degree in

Spanish I went off to work for one of

the UK’s top food manufacturers and well

I spent 21 years there working my way up

the corporate ladder so by the time I

jumped out 2008 I had a team of about

200 people so I’d learned how to

motivated people mainly by trial and

error so what I learned was eventually

dogs and people aren’t that different I

got to the stage where I was going to be

a management consultant and then a

chance conversation with the dog trainer

changed my life

dog training to become become my Sunday

morning hobby by the end you see and

this chap said why don’t you be a dog

trainer instead and I thought because

it’s beneath me but I said why is that

and he said because you’re really good

with people

oh I wasn’t expecting that so I said

what about dogs he said he’s quite good

they said you’re really really good with

people and it’s the dog owners not the

dogs that you need to fix so suitably

flattered and I was hook line & sinker

I went often in the time it took me to

drive home I decided that’s what I was

going to do with my life so I went off

to learn as much as I could about dog

psychology which was surely very

different to human psychology or at

least that’s what they were all telling

me so this word kept cropping up a lot

anthropomorphism they loved big words

okay what it means is attribution kind

of human characteristics such as

thoughts and emotions so dogs yeah so

they’d have you believe that dogs are

dogs and humans are humans and never the

twain shall meet

it’s all completely different anything

you’ve ever learned about parenting or

perhaps working with other people that

won’t work with dogs well don’t you

believe them because I’ve spent the last

few years proving to myself they’re

actually humans and dogs we’ve got a lot

in common and there are a few

significant differences too so well yeah

so I decided I need to learn a bit more

so I discovered a little bit of

psychology that really controls how we

all learn by trial and error so this

stuff works with everybody you could try

it with your work colleagues yeah boss

the kids your other half you could try

on the dog works a treat

it’s called Thorndike’s law of effect so

before you go rushing off to Google to

check this out let me give you a little

bit of advice wait till you’re having a

sleepless night because it will send you

to sleep I’ll give you an idea I printed

this from Google just this morning well

from Wikipedia to be precise it says the

law of effect was published by Edward

Thorndike in 1905 so far so good

that’s English it then says it states

that when a stimulus response

Association is established an

instrumental conditioning between the

instrumental response and contextual

stimuli that present the responses

reinforce the stimuli response

Association was the sole responsibility

the occurrence of that behavior there

you go just do that stuff and all your

problems are sold see you then no really

it’s a shame because if you put that

into plain English it’s really easy to

understand and to apply so shall we have

a go at that three rules three rules you

need to understand dead easy rule number

one any behavior that you reward will

increase okay so if you encourage

somebody you’ll get more of that

behavior no rocket science so far yeah

okay rule number two this is the

opposite so if you make a behavior

uncomfortable then you get less of that

behavior it decreases now don’t

misunderstand me here uncomfortable is

not an excuse for abusing and being

nasty and bullying to people or dogs

uncomfortable is just enough that your

subject is saying I didn’t like that

outcome I’d rather do less in future yep

and rule three is about

attention-seeking so attention-seeking

behaviors they’re the ones where

any attention is good attention right so

if you ignore them completely those

behaviors fade away but for today I’d

like to concentrate on rule one rule two

so make you feel good get more of it

make it feel bad get less of it so where

should we place the balance good or bad

well you remember that dog trainer who

got me into this malarkey in the first

place he was a man of few words and on

this subject he used to say all bad is

bad and all good is bad what he meant by

that was all nicey-nicey and no

consequences for bad behavior that’s not

gonna work think of speed cameras we

might not want to admit it but the truth

is they do modify our behavior because

if purely positive works

we’d have police officers hiding behind

bushes all around the country and with

flowers and chocolates waiting for

law-abiding motorists to come fast and

they jump out they don’t do that but all

negative doesn’t work either in fact all

negatives even worse

we’ve got words for feedback that’s 100%

negative we call it nagging or even

bullying and whatever you call it that’s

no way to motivate people and it’s no

way to motivate yourself because lots of

people nag and bullying themselves all

the time to try and get themselves to

behave better perhaps you do so which

way should we focus or perhaps we need a

bit of balance as both well there’s a

kind of universal truth which is

expressed in lots of different ways but

today we could say it like this what you

focus on you get more off well think

about that what you focus on you get

more off so what do you want to focus on

negative or positive make sense

well you can use this to motivate

yourself now this is the bit where I get

to talk about ballroom dancing so if we

got anybody here who’s not a fan of that

TV program you can look away now the

thing is about three years ago just over

I I started ballroom and latin dancing

and started to compete in the national

league so I got myself a partner Lin is

great and more experienced than me so

she gave me a lot of feedback at the

start which was kind of fair enough

because my frame wasn’t very good so let

me explain the frame for a gentleman

looks like this it’s also called the top

line so doesn’t matter what you do you

frame must never move

you must never drop your frame so what

happens is you start off with all good

intention as you start to move you’ve

dropped your frame yeah now here’s the

thing judges in national competitions

they’re not completely stupid not

completely if you’re six foot two and

you drop your frame they’re going to see

that the other side of a ballroom and it

ain’t gonna end well so our first

competition was in Merced Ville in Wales

and I heralded this as our international

debut now unfortunately we didn’t do

very well um in fact we came last so we

came last in ballroom beginners we came

last in letting beginners so so Lin

hatched a plan she said what we’re gonna

do is when you practice in round the

room when you drop your frame I’ll shout

frame and then you can correct yourself

area so she’s making my naughty behavior

uncomfortable in effect naughty boy

right so I’m dancing around the room and

every time I’m dancing we’re getting

frame ah Thank You Lee yeah frame yeah

yeah yeah frame off for goodness sake it

kind of works but not very much so she

changed the attack now I don’t think

she’s been reading Thorndike’s law of

effect but in effect what she did was

she flipped the focus one day we were

dancing around she stopped us in the

middle of a waltz and she said that

was great oh really she said yeah you

didn’t drop your frame once you went all

the way around this hall and you didn’t

drop your frame now to me that feels

great

so when well done thank you good boy so

she’d flipped my focus you see instead

of beating myself up for dropping the

frame had started to focus on patting

myself on the back for keeping it up and

the thing is if you can keep it up all

the way around the whole once what seems

reasonable to aim to keep it up for

twice or three times so these days I’m

glad to report there I can keep up the

frame now just about long enough for us

to get invites to competitions like the

United Kingdom national close

championships so we went back there we

went there back in July and we came away

very much they didn’t clap that much on

the night we in Latin we competed

against 30 of the United Kingdom’s very

best couples in our category and we won

not once but twice so we come a long

long way from mertha CID ville and

that’s the lineup of the seven top

couples in the country um what you focus

on you see friends even if it takes

three years you get more off so well

that’s all very interesting isn’t it but

it probably doesn’t apply to you I mean

I’m guessing that most of you don’t

spend your certainties waltzing around

ballrooms right mmm so let’s give a give

you another example because you can

really apply this to all sorts of things

so you remember I was talking about the

National Health Service and I spoke at a

conference where there were 200

delegates and I invited them to talk

about in pairs something that really

annoyed them some bad behavior that

somebody around them did and off they

went

now what I hadn’t thought of was quite

how much we like to moan the sound was

deafening they enthusiasm had to be seen

to be believed

I couldn’t stop them so when they

eventually did quieten down I got a bit

of control back I I got a great example

from one chap and he said I’m going to

manager who moans all the time he never

never ever phrases it okay he said how

would you change that round then I said

okay well that’s fine but the trick here

is to flip the focus from negative to

positive so you know when you said you

never praises you never it’s not well

yeah all right well maybe those were

very very rare maybe like once or twice

a month but he moans all the time okay

well listen we can focus on learning

about him moaning and I’m pretty sure

that’s going to get us nowhere

oh we can turn it round let’s see if we

can get you more of a behavior you’d

like instead so perhaps we wait until

the next time he praises you and then we

make that feel rewarding to him because

what you focus on you get more often and

which is fair enough he said what praise

him for craziness how’s that gonna work

I’ll show ya that’s gonna work you might

have to wait two weeks but how about

this so he finally a big originally

perhaps phrase is here and you say

excuse me can I say something

and you do comment a lot when we get

things wrong all the time

which is maybe fair enough but I just

wanted to take the time to say thanks

for praising us just now because when

you do that makes a real difference

thank you very much

now if you say that with good humor

you’ll be amazed at the effect that has

because of behavior that’s rewarded

increases that chap is bound to be

thinking I could do more of that so the

thing is sometimes you have to be a bit

crafty about how you apply these rules

but the basics they work every time and

they are any behavior but your reward

always increases a behavior that you

make uncomfortable or ignore decreases

but nagging will only get you so far be

clear about the behaviors you want more

of and the behaviors you want less of

and be careful where you place your

focus because what you focus on you

absolutely without fail ultimately will

get more off you can make this stuff as

complicated or as simple as you like but

take my advice friends make it simple so

simple in fact that even a dog could

understand it thank you [Applause]

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