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Art/Science and danceroom Spectroscopy | Joseph Hyde | TEDxFrome


hello so what does a professor of

creative music technology do how do i

leave the way in terms of showing the

next generation have some work in this

field something that I like to do is to

try and expand what creative means you

might be where you might do it and who

you might do it with so with that in

mind I’m very keen on collaboration I

really like to work with other people it

gets me out of my dark little room with

my computer screen and out into the real

world but more importantly it gets me to

meet different kind of a triple if

people have worked in different areas do

different things but they also think in

different ways and they talk in

different ways and I find that I can

really learn a lot from that and bring

it back to what I do so something I

particular like to do is actually work

beyond the Arts completely and to work

with scientists have done this quite a

lot there i find this way of doing

things different doing things

differently and particularly interesting

particularly different to the way that

I’m used to thinking about things I also

it fulfills childhood ambition of mine

in that I’ve always been interested in

both I’ve always been interested in art

I was interested in science and I find

that at school I was kind of forced one

way or the other I just about managed

dr. ailable to do science subjects and

our subjects but after that I had to

choose one and I chose music but I think

it’s a real shame these things are

separated and I don’t think that they

should be something that I’ve found

looking at the program for today not

only is it a great lineups and really

good people talk

today about really interesting subjects

but I was delighted to see the quite a

number of them are crossing this

boundary of arts and science so I feel

kind of in good company here and that

perhaps this is changing so I’m here

today to talk to you about dance room

spectroscopy which is a bit of a

mouthful I’m sorry about that it’s the

name of a project and it’s a

collaborative project in art science

project I’m collaborating with a lot of

people on this I’m really talking here

today on behalf of a big team I’m only

form of this team probably the most

important member is this guy Dave

Milwaukee this project is his idea it’s

his name so you can babe in theory

unpronounceable words and David is a

scientist of course and he works as a

computational chemist at Stanford

University and the University of Bristol

his day job is what this project is

based on and is they job consists of

running computer simulations of

molecular systems and what is interested

in is the way that matter and energy

work together at a microscopic level

what is particularly interested in is

the dynamics of the system how the

system moot and molecules move I find

this very interesting in getting to know

dates work in that what I remember from

school with static models of molecules

balls and sticks they didn’t move

through your kind of thought of them as

static energy and that seems something

that’s really changed in scientific

thinking and so here we have what my

spirit is still image this is an image

of a diamond one of the hardest

substances known to man of course and

you can see the lattice like structure

that makes up that crystal but you might

think about a static thing dymond of

course you don’t see it moving and it

seems very hard very dense but this is

actually a movie and if i set it running

you’ll see that even in this case even

then the hardest substance

to man all the molecules are moving and

they’re moving in a really interesting

way they’re not just moving randomly

it’s a complex but ordered system where

every molecule influences the movement

of every other molecule in the system so

we like to describe this as a dance that

the molecules are dancing together might

seem a bit fanciful that it is but

there’s something to it something about

way these molecules influence each other

is a bit the same as a choreography and

the way in which dancers might move

together and influence each other on a

dance floor dancers might influence the

way other dancers leave we’re not the

only people to use this language I’ve

done a bit of googling and I found many

quotes many different quotes on this

slide of other scientists who use the

word dance or related words to describe

the movement of molecules in this case

is a wild dance floor so this brings me

back to the title bit of a mouthful

sorry about that the dance room vicked

make a room covered now we’re imagining

molecular system as a dance rooms a room

full of dancing molecules what about the

other bit spectroscopy bit that’s how

you pronounce that word spectroscopy is

the site science of seeing things

through light and dave has used this

term here in a slightly tangential way

to describe the fact that induction

spectroscopy you can actually see the

molecules with light with your eyes of

course in the real world this is

impossible at the microscopic level

light itself is particles so the idea of

being able to see other particles with

them it’s nonsensical but in our system

you can see them so this brings me to

what Dan through spectroscopy is it’s a

simulation where you can see molecules

and you can dance with them you can

move with them and this is what makes us

a remarkable project for me is that it

really furthers understandings furthered

my understanding of the way in which are

microscopic world works usually this is

described using numbers using equations

using formulas using algorithms and for

a lot of us myself included that’s a

barrier to entry we don’t speak that

language we don’t understand those

equations and so we don’t understand

what actually is a quite simple thing

about how energy and matter works

together if we can feel it if you can

see it if we can hear it and perhaps we

can so this is what done through

spectroscopy years and how it works it’s

an installation it’s an immersive

environment usually about kind of this

size the size of this stage that we work

in all sorts of configurations in the

video projection is designed to

immersive so it’s never a single screen

it will always surround the people who

are interacting with it and in the

projection on the projection you will

see the molecular system working in

real-time of scientifically accurate

simulation of molecules working together

but crucially you’ll see your salads you

will have yourself an angel avatar this

is made possible by recent occasions in

human-computer interaction in a

particular depth sensors which can see

human beings in particular in three

dimensions we track the movement of

every part of the human body what we use

for this certainly in the first version

our connect centers the microsoft kinect

which was designed to work with the xbox

games and proly but we hacked it to work

with the supercomputer and top and

graphics cards to produce this molecular

simulation the way in which you put you

are put into the simulation is very

interesting and probably the bits that’s

most difficult for me to talk about

scientists but they have a very good

metaphor for this which is a way of

representing the energy landscape so the

way in which energy would be distributed

through a space and that’s what you can

see the left hand image there is a graph

of an energy landscape areas that are

red are hot so those are the areas with

the highest temperature in this

simulation and in this rap they’re also

represented as being kind areas with low

energy of Blu and Lo and to visualize

the way in which molecules might move

through that landscape you can take it

in a very literal way imagine and this

is terrible science I’m sure you had a

handful of molecules they like ball

bearings and you drop them onto that

landscape they would naturally roll

downhill they roll away from the areas

of high energy in towards the areas of

low energy so in doubt shoe spectroscopy

you become a feature in this energy

landscape singing image there on the

right hand side and I never were about

you but I can see that any kind of

optical illusion type way I can see kind

of concluding problem the screen or

being an indent in chi into the screen

and in downstream spectroscopy folks are

possible so you can either be a high

energy energy field in which case you’re

like hill in the landscape molecules

will naturally flow away from you it’s

as though you kind of swimming through

them or you can hear cool feature and

the energy landscape in which modern

case molecules will be drawing towards

you and into you anyway hopefully that’s

given you some idea as to how it works

what I want to do now is show you a few

images in a short video of the system so

these are all in a dome configuration

this is how it most often done bunkroom

spectroscopy in quite a large immersive

projection zone with projections all the

way around the audience so you really do

feel like a part of this and these are

all photographs from all around the

world actually of the dungeon

spectroscopy

don’t this one I put in it to the only

one of the system from the outside don’t

even the outside just to show how far

we’ve taken this geographically this is

in Bhutan right at the top of the

emulators that’s the farthest we went

with our little dancing spectroscopy day

today anyway now have a short movie and

so you can actually see the movement of

the molecules and also hear the sound

which is also generated by the system

in the last part of my talk I want to

talk about a few offshoot from the dance

room spectroscopy project it’s been a

gift that keeps giving and many other

things have grown out over the last few

years and the first is a piece called

hidden fields which is a full-length

dance performance and even dance

performance might take you later located

such as this not surprisingly we had a

lot of interest from dancers in adultery

spectroscopy and I ran a series of

workshops at the arnolfini and to

explore what could be done with it

odometer piece and that led to this

performance I’m not going to a great

deal about got a few more images which

this image is from the cover of Leonardo

which is the MIT press his publication

on the Arts and Sciences here’s a short

not another project molecular music in

my baby really I’ve led on this one

where instead of putting dancers in

simulation we put musicians in

simulation and instead of driving it

using these energy avatars we’ve

actually used the sound of the music

driving simulation I find this very

interesting of course music sound is

movement as well its vibration molecules

vibrate as well so we could do some

really interesting things to kind of

link those together and we’ve worked

with some great musicians like Nicola

Benedetti very very famous violinist a

trio and Charles Hazelwood to use a

classical conductor in this case working

the Charles isn’t with all styles which

are amazing improvising ensemble the

current state of this research is in the

system called nano sim box and this is

pushing the educational angle of the

system it’s always been an educational

tool I think in terms of understanding

molecules but this is specifically aimed

at schools and it’s a mini version of

Dancing spectroscopy geared towards the

you can make them bigger and smaller and

you can change the temperature some of

them are like matchsticks then other

ones are like fat like can inflate

brownie

[Music]

I’m just being great it’s all about

atoms and molecules

you can have fun with it so like when

you make things bigger and smaller you

and we’re we’re taking this next is into

virtual reality these photos are very

hot off the press these are just from a

couple of weeks ago where we’re in the

Barbican in London they’ve always been

very supportive of this project and they

gave us a residency for a week and to

start to put together a virtual reality

version of Dancing spectroscopy already

there we’ve got to users in a single

virtual reality space working moving

molecules and interacting with them and

we hope to expand this up to 8 users

thank you very much great to be here

today [Applause]

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